Post by: jrebel on February 28, 2019, 03:43:19 PM
300 win mag
26" barrel
Current set up is a 212 grain eld-x pushed by H1000 with 2830 fps.
I shot my moose in the head last year at about 30 yards and and obviously it worked. Though it didn't go down right away it was dead on it's feet. The follow up shot was behind the shoulder and the bullet did not exit. I didn't recover the bullet so don't know how it perfomed. I was surprised it didn't exit though.
Just wondering If I should look at other bullets for better penetration.
The accubonds do not shoot well in this rifle, othewise it would be the bullet of choice. I perfere a good BC for ranges pushing 500-600 yards. What are you thoughts.
Thanks in advance.
Post by: Woodchuck on February 28, 2019, 03:51:25 PM
Post by: jrebel on February 28, 2019, 03:56:07 PM
I am a ttsx fan. :twocents:
I was looking at them for the solid copper option, but their heaviest is only 180 grain. Wish they made a 200+ grain for .308 diam.
Unless I am looking at it wrong??
Post by: grundy53 on February 28, 2019, 04:01:16 PM
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Post by: bobcat on February 28, 2019, 04:03:04 PM
Great deal on the 180's at Shooters Pro Shop:
http://www.shootersproshop.com/loading-reloading-bullets/nosler-30-caliber-180-grain-e-tip-banded-bullets-blem-50ct.html
Post by: Bob33 on February 28, 2019, 04:04:37 PM
I prefer Barnes TSX / TTSX bullets, and use the 165 grain TTSX in a 300 WSM for nearly all big game animals deer size or larger.
Post by: jrebel on February 28, 2019, 04:12:23 PM
I was going to recommend accubonds until I read the end of your post. Honestly I don't know if I would expect a pass through on a moose. I didn't get one with 200 grain accubonds out of my .300 WM last year.
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Not sure I expect a pass through, but was surprised I didn't get it. They are huge animals with lots of mass and lots of muscle. Maybe I am over thinking this a bit.....one of my weakness, if you will, is always looking for the best. Often I find myself chasing my tail....LOL The moose never took a step so what I used obviously worked.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 28, 2019, 04:13:06 PM
:chuckle:
I shot my bull a few years ago with a 300 grain interlock from my 375. It didn’t exit either but definitely worked.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 28, 2019, 04:13:52 PM
That’s the joy of moose hunting. Lots of time and opportunity for more shots.I was going to recommend accubonds until I read the end of your post. Honestly I don't know if I would expect a pass through on a moose. I didn't get one with 200 grain accubonds out of my .300 WM last year.
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Not sure I expect a pass through, but was surprised I didn't get it. They are huge animals with lots of mass and lots of muscle. Maybe I am over thinking this a bit.....one of my weakness, if you will, is always looking for the best. Often I find myself chasing my tail....LOL The moose never took a step so what I used obviously worked.
Post by: The scout on February 28, 2019, 04:14:49 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on February 28, 2019, 04:22:53 PM
A 180 steaming along at 2950ish or so will do some work. :twocents:I am a ttsx fan. :twocents:
I was looking at them for the solid copper option, but their heaviest is only 180 grain. Wish they made a 200+ grain for .308 diam.
Unless I am looking at it wrong??
Post by: 92xj on February 28, 2019, 04:31:13 PM
Post by: jrebel on February 28, 2019, 04:35:10 PM
Though, I have no experience on game, my 300wm likes the 199gr Sledge hammers in front of h1000 traveling at 3015 and I would imagine would do damage to a moose.
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Do you like the way they shoot?? May have to try them. I was looking at their 214's.
Post by: 92xj on February 28, 2019, 04:41:09 PM
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Post by: yorketransport on February 28, 2019, 07:15:47 PM
Though, I have no experience on game, my 300wm likes the 199gr Sledge hammers in front of h1000 traveling at 3015 and I would imagine would do damage to a moose.
That was going to be my suggestion for a solid copper bullet. I'm a huge fan of all the Hammer bullets just because of how well they shoot. What's the max OAL you can use and what's your barrel twist? Their 181gr Hammer Hunter is the same length as a 200gr Accubond though so they're really long bullets which can be an issue in some guns. That's why the 199gr Sledge Hammer might be better since they've got a much shorter nose profile. They have a lower BC, but it's not enough that I'd worry about it inside of 600 yards. I've shot the 275gr Sledge Hammers to 600 yards out of my 375 Ruger with a muzzle velocity of around 2675 fps with great results.
For lead core bullets I usually go for the Accubonds, but if they're not working for you maybe the Swift Scirocco is worth looking at. I think 180 is the heaviest they offer in that though.
Post by: Stein on February 28, 2019, 07:24:51 PM
I had a well placed TSX not exit a raghorn at 70 yards, it was just as dead as one with two holes in it. In fact, it tipped over and was the only animal I ever shot that didn't take a step.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 28, 2019, 07:36:10 PM
Moose really aren’t difficult to kill, they certainly don’t have the fight or will to live like an elk.
Just make a hole in the right spot and they die. :twocents:
Post by: lokidog on February 28, 2019, 09:31:16 PM
:twocents:
Post by: Dan-o on February 28, 2019, 09:42:18 PM
I do believe you - just surprising to me.
Post by: Curly on February 28, 2019, 10:02:50 PM
Post by: jrebel on February 28, 2019, 10:18:09 PM
Sounds like a good excuse for a new rifle. :tup:
No....that's what this one is for. I have a 45/70 and 450 Marlin that would get the job done too.....but range is limited. This is just another reason to work a load with the same rifle. Ordered 150 bucks worth of hammers in 214 gr and 227 gr to see what they do. Hopefully I draw a bear tag In The spring to try them out. If not I will have to get a fall bear before the hunt.
Post by: Damnimissed on February 28, 2019, 10:54:28 PM
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Post by: Threethirtyeight on February 28, 2019, 11:31:31 PM
Barnes makes a 200 grain 308 bullet in the lrx line! I have used this bullet on moose all the way to 902 yards and up at 35-40 yards on elk with great success out of my 300wsm. Bc of .546 should be plenty good for the distances you are wanting to use them at.I am a ttsx fan. :twocents:
I was looking at them for the solid copper option, but their heaviest is only 180 grain. Wish they made a 200+ grain for .308 diam.
Unless I am looking at it wrong??
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Post by: mountainman on February 28, 2019, 11:54:32 PM
Those should fill the bill just fine! Moose are big and tough..saw a couple tonight up near Chen hot springs. Can't wait to drawSounds like a good excuse for a new rifle. :tup:
No....that's what this one is for. I have a 45/70 and 450 Marlin that would get the job done too.....but range is limited. This is just another reason to work a load with the same rifle. Ordered 150 bucks worth of hammers in 214 gr and 227 gr to see what they do. Hopefully I draw a bear tag In The spring to try them out. If not I will have to get a fall bear before the hunt.
Post by: Curly on March 01, 2019, 07:18:44 AM
Hope they work for you. I'd be worried about them being too long. I think you'd be fine with 200 gr monolithic bullets since they retain so much weight.Sounds like a good excuse for a new rifle. :tup:
No....that's what this one is for. I have a 45/70 and 450 Marlin that would get the job done too.....but range is limited. This is just another reason to work a load with the same rifle. Ordered 150 bucks worth of hammers in 214 gr and 227 gr to see what they do. Hopefully I draw a bear tag In The spring to try them out. If not I will have to get a fall bear before the hunt.
Post by: opdinkslayer on March 01, 2019, 08:53:04 AM
Post by: Rob on March 01, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
If a 375 cal will take down a Cape Buff with prejudice, then a 30 cal should have zero issues with a moose!
I took this snip from Craig Boddington's "Perfect Shot North America" Book. Outstanding Book that I highly recommend!
Post by: Rob on March 01, 2019, 10:01:50 AM
it says:
"If you are using cartridges from .270-.30 caliber, it's especially important to think about heavy-for-caliber, controlled expansion bullets like the Nosler Partition, Swift A-Frame, Barnes X-Bullet and Winchester Fail Safe."
Post by: Bob33 on March 01, 2019, 10:11:35 AM
I’ve had excellent results using 165 grain Barnes bullets in .30 caliber on elk/moose size animals. I’ve only recovered a couple of them; most were pass-throughs and are still circling the planet in orbit. 165 grains going in, 165 grains going out.
Post by: bearpaw on March 01, 2019, 10:26:45 AM
Conventional wisdom is that “heavy for caliber” bullets penetrate better. I believe that may always be true to an extent, but I suspect much of that thinking came from a time when bullets shed a lot of weight. A 180 grain bullet that sheds 40% of its weight only has 108 grains of weight left.
I’ve had excellent results using 165 grain Barnes bullets in .30 caliber on elk/moose size animals. I’ve only recovered a couple of them; most were pass-throughs and are still circling the planet in orbit. 165 grains going in, 165 grains going out.
:yeah: Same experiences here, I think you can use lighter bullets and have less recoil with greater penetration than lead bullets of heavier weight. I've tested the theory almost to an extreme by loading 160 gr in .338 caliber, very light for the caliber, very fast, and have not recovered one yet from a few bear or an elk taken at 500+.
As far as killing a moose, I really think any modern big game bullet will get the job done if you hit the moose where it counts.
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Post by: bearpaw on March 01, 2019, 01:48:18 PM
I believe I've heard @bearpaw tell stories of multiple moose kills with a .257 Roy....
Yes numerous hunters have used the .257 and that is what my son used on his moose. What is interesting, a past hunter has used his only gun a .257 WTBY, on almost all the N American species, he is completing his slam with one rifle a .257, and he's close to being done, I'm pretty sure he has already gotten all the big bears with it too.
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Post by: Call em in on March 05, 2019, 08:17:58 PM
Though, I have no experience on game, my 300wm likes the 199gr Sledge hammers in front of h1000 traveling at 3015 and I would imagine would do damage to a moose.
That was going to be my suggestion for a solid copper bullet. I'm a huge fan of all the Hammer bullets just because of how well they shoot. What's the max OAL you can use and what's your barrel twist? Their 181gr Hammer Hunter is the same length as a 200gr Accubond though so they're really long bullets which can be an issue in some guns. That's why the 199gr Sledge Hammer might be better since they've got a much shorter nose profile. They have a lower BC, but it's not enough that I'd worry about it inside of 600 yards. I've shot the 275gr Sledge Hammers to 600 yards out of my 375 Ruger with a muzzle velocity of around 2675 fps with great results.
For lead core bullets I usually go for the Accubonds, but if they're not working for you maybe the Swift Scirocco is worth looking at. I think 180 is the heaviest they offer in that though.
I have had great luck with the 180gr swift sciroccos out of my 300 RUM. I shot them before they had a bonded version and now I like the bondeds even better! Also had great luck with A-frames and Nosler Partions out of a 338 WM.
Post by: huntnnw on March 05, 2019, 10:05:55 PM