Post by: Thehowler on March 01, 2019, 06:59:55 PM
What’s the best bang for the buck these days right off the shelf. Looking for a quality rig.
Post by: Dirtracer on March 01, 2019, 07:15:54 PM
Post by: aaronoto on March 01, 2019, 07:21:47 PM
Post by: Thehowler on March 01, 2019, 07:43:15 PM
Post by: Mtnwalker on March 01, 2019, 07:52:23 PM
Post by: jasnt on March 01, 2019, 10:31:04 PM
Post by: 10mmg on March 02, 2019, 06:32:32 AM
Post by: HUNTNORTHWEST on March 02, 2019, 08:29:09 AM
Daniel defense has some cheesy components.
Post by: BeerBugler on March 02, 2019, 08:58:10 AM
I’m happy with my psa
+1
Post by: BKMFR on March 02, 2019, 10:58:25 AM
Post by: fowl smacker on March 02, 2019, 04:01:58 PM
Post by: Yondering on March 03, 2019, 09:11:31 PM
There are cheaper, but I'd go BCM or Daniel Defense.
I build my own, but BCM would be my choice if buying one off the shelf and wanting the best chance on a good rifle without breaking the bank.
I don't mind buying PSA sometimes too, but am willing and able to address any issues they might have. As a lower end gun, I expect a higher chance of issues with PSA than BCM.
FWIW, I'd lump factory Bushmaster and DPMS rifles in the same quality bracket as PSA, or slightly lower based on my own experience.
Just don't mix up BCM (Bravo Company) with BCA (Bear Creek). BCM is quality stuff, BCA is bottom of the barrel cheapest stuff you can get.
Post by: konradcountry on March 06, 2019, 06:55:39 AM
Take a look at a Bushmaster minimalist. That is a quality rifle that will maintain resale value.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on March 06, 2019, 07:16:29 AM
Looking to purchase my first AR15. I really do not now much about these rifles.
What’s the best bang for the buck these days right off the shelf. Looking for a quality rig.
Really hard to give an answer without knowing price range or purpose. If you just want a inexpensive plinker than the M&P15 sport 2 is hard to beat. Ive seen them going for about $500.
If you want to spend a bit more I really like Spikes and I have their Crusader rifle. Thing has a lot of the highend bells and whistles for about $1200-$1500 depending on where you look.
Post by: konradcountry on March 06, 2019, 09:40:40 AM
I would shoot one first before buying. Some people don't like them. Not really sure how though :P
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on March 06, 2019, 10:30:57 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 07, 2019, 02:43:22 AM
Con - Wont chamber some .556 rounds. Especially problems with cheap wolf ammo.
When defending against 2 legged foes, I think this one will stand its ground.
Honestly would need military or a vet to chime in on actual field performance though.
Post by: Yondering on March 07, 2019, 09:30:20 AM
Pro - .223 wylde - Higher accuracy than .556 with a thicker barrel and cheaper, Less likely to tumble at low speed or deflections like .556
Con - Wont chamber some .556 rounds. Especially problems with cheap wolf ammo.
When defending against 2 legged foes, I think this one will stand its ground.
Honestly would need military or a vet to chime in on actual field performance though.
I think you're confusing details of one particular barrel with 223 Wylde chambers in general. Nothing about a 223 Wylde chamber dictates a heavier barrel, they can be done in any barrel profile, same as a 5.56. A 223 Wylde chamber reamed to spec will chamber all 5.56 ammo that's made to spec. When you get a tight chamber and slightly oversize ammo, things don't work well, but that can happen with any chamber.
Sounds like you have something like a Rainier Ultramatch, which are good barrels but usually a heavy profile and in my experience the chambers are a little tight. They certainly aren't built with the thought of shooting cheap Wolf ammo in mind.
Post by: fowl smacker on March 07, 2019, 10:12:05 AM
:yeah:Pro - .223 wylde - Higher accuracy than .556 with a thicker barrel and cheaper, Less likely to tumble at low speed or deflections like .556
Con - Wont chamber some .556 rounds. Especially problems with cheap wolf ammo.
When defending against 2 legged foes, I think this one will stand its ground.
Honestly would need military or a vet to chime in on actual field performance though.
I think you're confusing details of one particular barrel with 223 Wylde chambers in general. Nothing about a 223 Wylde chamber dictates a heavier barrel, they can be done in any barrel profile, same as a 5.56. A 223 Wylde chamber reamed to spec will chamber all 5.56 ammo that's made to spec. When you get a tight chamber and slightly oversize ammo, things don't work well, but that can happen with any chamber.
Sounds like you have something like a Rainier Ultramatch, which are good barrels but usually a heavy profile and in my experience the chambers are a little tight. They certainly aren't built with the thought of shooting cheap Wolf ammo in mind.
My 223 Wylde ARs will chamber and shoot ANY 5.56 OR 223 I can throw at them. Best chambering for an AR in my opinion.
Post by: Smossy on March 07, 2019, 06:55:17 PM
Could be the case, I really have no idea. I've never owned any of them or will. Just kinda chiming in with what little info I could remember.Pro - .223 wylde - Higher accuracy than .556 with a thicker barrel and cheaper, Less likely to tumble at low speed or deflections like .556
Con - Wont chamber some .556 rounds. Especially problems with cheap wolf ammo.
When defending against 2 legged foes, I think this one will stand its ground.
Honestly would need military or a vet to chime in on actual field performance though.
I think you're confusing details of one particular barrel with 223 Wylde chambers in general. Nothing about a 223 Wylde chamber dictates a heavier barrel, they can be done in any barrel profile, same as a 5.56. A 223 Wylde chamber reamed to spec will chamber all 5.56 ammo that's made to spec. When you get a tight chamber and slightly oversize ammo, things don't work well, but that can happen with any chamber.
Sounds like you have something like a Rainier Ultramatch, which are good barrels but usually a heavy profile and in my experience the chambers are a little tight. They certainly aren't built with the thought of shooting cheap Wolf ammo in mind.
Seems like the best option though imo. Unless its a hunting stand point Its hard for me to really think anything else would be necessary. But situations always dictate whats needed so theirs no standard.
Post by: thinkingman on March 08, 2019, 12:27:39 PM
I've had 3 different Les Baer's all super accurate, but as much as I have tried to like them, the weight just keeps getting in the way. I now have a BCM lower, Gisselle trigger, Rock River "Fred Eichler" .223 upper, Magpul adjustable stock, and a Leupold 2.5x8. Very accurate, truly 1/2" gun, doesn't weigh a ton, and loves to go Coyote hunting with me.... :) Don't be scared of them, super easy to put together in my experience...OP What do you want to do with this AR15?
That the first detail otherwise you just get fanboys spouting off names.
The RockRiver ARs will punch holes EXACTLY where you point them.
Quality is first-rate
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on March 08, 2019, 12:36:12 PM
I would find a decent one on sale. There are a lot of AR-15s on the market right now.
Take a look at a Bushmaster minimalist. That is a quality rifle that will maintain resale value.
I was gonna go this route but the shop I went to talked me into having them build me one and ended up being cheaper with better components. Basically a Next Generations Arms lower with a Radical Arms upper. I like it a lot.