Post by: Bushcraft on March 05, 2019, 09:21:17 AM
Representative Morgan Irwin from the 31st District needs to explain to everyone why he was a "hard no" ever since HB 1739 was brought to committee, and said so to many people's faces (including mine), but ultimately voted in favor of its passage with amendments.
His telephone number is (360) 786-7866 and his e-mail address is Morgan.Irwin@leg.wa.gov
His Legislative Assistant's name is Meagan Hillier.
http://morganirwin.houserepublicans.wa.gov/
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 05, 2019, 09:25:57 AM
Post by: Bushcraft on March 05, 2019, 09:32:04 AM
I show HB 1739 as a bill to end the death penalty to reduce justice system costs. No amendments.
That's because you're looking at 2015 legislation. Here's a link:
https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1739&Initiative=false&Year=2019
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 05, 2019, 09:37:57 AM
Post by: Bushcraft on March 05, 2019, 10:13:50 AM
Call off the dogs for now!!!
Rep. Irwin just called me back and the final version that he worked hard to essentially re-write only reiterates Federal law. Bottom line is the substitute bill is not a win for the anti-gunners.
Thanks,
Allen
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 05, 2019, 10:40:21 AM
http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2019-20/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1739-S.pdf#page=1
It appears to essentially outlaw 80% construction and explicitly outlaws 3D printing.
To my knowledge, such is not outlawed federally, for private purposes, unless I am missing a major loophole that he is referring to.
Post by: Dan-o on March 05, 2019, 10:42:00 AM
Oh wait...... Does the Attorney General get to take credit for being tough on guns?
Now I understand.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 05, 2019, 11:07:08 AM
Post by: Bushcraft on March 05, 2019, 11:29:40 AM
I'm told it is identical to the existing Federal language...... Which makes you wonder why they'd bother working on this since it has no effect.
Oh wait...... Does the Attorney General get to take credit for being tough on guns?
Now I understand.
You got it. :tup:
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 05, 2019, 11:42:58 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 05, 2019, 11:44:53 AM
I think undetectable firearms are already banned federally, aren't they? I thought you were required to put a serial number on an 80% if you milled it out.
I don't believe that's accurate. You just can't sell or trade it. It can be given to an immediate family member.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 05, 2019, 12:05:06 PM
I think undetectable firearms are already banned federally, aren't they? I thought you were required to put a serial number on an 80% if you milled it out.
IIRC, you have to put a serial number on it once it becomes a firearm. I could be misremembering. However, this bill creates a whole new class of "untraceable firearms," which means that they weren't serialized by a FFL manufacturer and entered into NICS, and then creates burdens on that prior legal act.
As for "undetectable firearms," this seems aimed squarely at 3D printing, and the legislation makes such "undetectable firearms" manufacture a class C felony, an act which, to my knowledge is not federally prohibited.
Post by: woodswalker on March 05, 2019, 01:26:25 PM
Best be able to prove you had those 80%s before July 1 2019...unless we are to where it doesnt matter....
And as for the prohibited person attempting to purchase, I am in receipt of a letter from the Washington assn of sheriffs and police chiefs (I think that was who it came from) detailing new online reporting for such attempts, as i recall (letter not in front of me) that its a mandatory immediate reporting into a database of all the given 4473 info and some other information as possible.
Post by: Bushcraft on March 06, 2019, 08:32:20 AM
https://www.tvw.org/watch/?clientID=9375922947&eventID=2019031018&startStreamAt=1615&stopStreamAt=2488&autoStartStream=true
Post by: Lucky1 on March 10, 2019, 09:48:09 PM
I am pretty sure you don’t need to put any numbers on a homemade gun in Washington. That would include the 80% guns. In California you are required to put serial numbers on them and may even be required to register them with the state to be legal.I think undetectable firearms are already banned federally, aren't they? I thought you were required to put a serial number on an 80% if you milled it out.
IIRC, you have to put a serial number on it once it becomes a firearm. I could be misremembering. However, this bill creates a whole new class of "untraceable firearms," which means that they weren't serialized by a FFL manufacturer and entered into NICS, and then creates burdens on that prior legal act.
As for "undetectable firearms," this seems aimed squarely at 3D printing, and the legislation makes such "undetectable firearms" manufacture a class C felony, an act which, to my knowledge is not federally prohibited.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 11, 2019, 01:34:14 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 11, 2019, 05:53:12 AM