Post by: fireweed on March 11, 2019, 12:44:18 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/sepa/sepa_comment_docs.html
Post by: BDildine on March 11, 2019, 01:14:49 PM
Post by: fireweed on March 11, 2019, 02:36:56 PM
151 page draft, just some light reading..... anyone have a paired down version?The "action items" are in a chart toward the back.
Post by: bbarnes on March 11, 2019, 04:39:25 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 11, 2019, 04:59:40 PM
Did you know they want to raise the sediment dam 21 feet it's going to wipe out 1000 s of acres of wildlife habitat.Also all the pilling WDFW PAID 1000 s of dal lord to put in.
How else are you going to stop the sediment flowing downstream ?
Post by: CementFinisher on March 11, 2019, 06:31:46 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 11, 2019, 06:48:21 PM
Post by: bbarnes on March 11, 2019, 08:23:31 PM
Post by: JoeVon on March 11, 2019, 08:42:25 PM
Did you know they want to raise the sediment dam 21 feet it's going to wipe out 1000 s of acres of wildlife habitat.Also all the pilling WDFW PAID 1000 s of dal lord to put in.
How else are you going to stop the sediment flowing downstream ?
I think they should knock 20 feet out of the sediment dam and let the river pick a course. You wouldn't have that meandering that causes all of the sediment issues and wipes out all of the ground that has started to grow trees and shrubs again. Once the river picks a spot to run, get aggressive with tree planting to help stabilize soils. Just look above the pond that the sediment dam creates and below it...
Post by: HntnFsh on March 12, 2019, 05:32:11 AM
Did you know they want to raise the sediment dam 21 feet it's going to wipe out 1000 s of acres of wildlife habitat.Also all the pilling WDFW PAID 1000 s of dal lord to put in.
How else are you going to stop the sediment flowing downstream ?
I think they should knock 20 feet out of the sediment dam and let the river pick a course. You wouldn't have that meandering that causes all of the sediment issues and wipes out all of the ground that has started to grow trees and shrubs again. Once the river picks a spot to run, get aggressive with tree planting to help stabilize soils. Just look above the pond that the sediment dam creates and below it...
I agree. I don't think they should have put the sediment dam in, in the first place. Ya, they would have had to dredge the Cowlitz and Columbia but at least the Toutle could have cut a channel and I think the dredging wouldn't have lasted very long and the sediment would be on the banks of the Toutle where it belongs.
Raising that dam 21 feet will be a horrible idea.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 12, 2019, 07:56:14 AM
get aggressive with tree planting to help stabilize soils.Did you know they want to raise the sediment dam 21 feet it's going to wipe out 1000 s of acres of wildlife habitat.Also all the pilling WDFW PAID 1000 s of dal lord to put in.
How else are you going to stop the sediment flowing downstream ?
Volunteers have planted thousands of trees, along with other projects. Some have been flooded out. Work party coming up on March 15th and 16th for anyone interested in getting behind the effort. :dunno:
Mt. St. Helens Tree Planting March 15 & 16
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Post by: fireweed on March 12, 2019, 08:29:20 AM
Also, according to the Corps and the original agreement between the feds and the state, the STATE is responsible for all the mitigation projects caused by the dam (except the fish trap). The WDFW can't really put much effort into the lower reaches near the dam because of all the shifting and flooding. Most of their efforts are up stream of the old dam, where they are less likely affected by spillway raises.
Post by: JoeVon on March 12, 2019, 01:47:14 PM
The Army Corps claims in their 2018 review that any new area flooded will remain within the original "footprint" they have a sediment storage easement on. WDFW and Weyco and many others are skeptical of this and think with each raise of the dam the river will push and wander farther upstream into the main wildlife area. Pullen Creek will back up beyond the area, too.
Also, according to the Corps and the original agreement between the feds and the state, the STATE is responsible for all the mitigation projects caused by the dam (except the fish trap). The WDFW can't really put much effort into the lower reaches near the dam because of all the shifting and flooding. Most of their efforts are up stream of the old dam, where they are less likely affected by spillway raises.
"Shifting and flooding" caused by a dam... who woulda thought. WDFW and Weyco are correct. That's exactly what will happen. Raising the dam level only delays the inevitable. Knock a hole in it and get it over with.
Post by: WSU on March 12, 2019, 01:59:37 PM
Rip the bandaid off and get it over with.
Post by: CementFinisher on March 13, 2019, 05:07:07 PM