Post by: Machias on March 11, 2019, 03:36:04 PM
Post by: Oldguy on March 11, 2019, 04:48:49 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 11, 2019, 05:24:01 PM
I appreciate and respect all animals. Deer, elk, black bears, Cougars, wolves, birds, and small game. But grizzly's can suck it :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on March 11, 2019, 06:54:03 PM
Todd's a cool dude.hate grizz as well!
I appreciate and respect all animals. Deer, elk, black bears, Cougars, wolves, birds, and small game. But grizzly's can suck it :chuckle:
Post by: Stein on March 11, 2019, 07:43:04 PM
It's crazy how often people are getting scratched in MT and WY in the last few years. The grizzly range maps are covering nearly half of MT these days.
Hopefully WY's new legislation ambitions will push the issue and get some traction into opening seasons. It has horrible PR, but like bison hunts, I think it will quickly fall off and the game overall will benefit from management, not to mention people getting hurt.
Post by: Machias on March 11, 2019, 09:56:12 PM
Post by: Special T on March 11, 2019, 11:48:46 PM
I think I heard a podcast from either Newberg or Rinella that interviewed him. Pretty intense story.I have an acquaintance that lives in WY and he posts pics of griz all the time. Seems to be some fudgingnof the numbers... kind of a trend.
It's crazy how often people are getting scratched in MT and WY in the last few years. The grizzly range maps are covering nearly half of MT these days.
Hopefully WY's new legislation ambitions will push the issue and get some traction into opening seasons. It has horrible PR, but like bison hunts, I think it will quickly fall off and the game overall will benefit from management, not to mention people getting hurt.
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Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 12, 2019, 05:42:00 AM
Post by: Stein on March 12, 2019, 07:23:02 AM
This WILL happen in WA.
Well, we know a few things.
1. They are spreading toward WA and IF they are not here already they will get here either through natural or transport means.
2. There is suitable habitat in much of the state. Without management populations will grow here just like other states.
3. WDFW will not fight reintroduction and there is little to no means to prevent natural re-population.
4. The public, in general, supports grizzlies and intensely dislikes the idea of hunting for any reason.
5. Without active management, we will see similar results as other states - numbers above objective, expanding ranges, increased interaction with livestock and people. There will also be increased pressure on other animals (competitive predators and prey alike) along with monetary damages to livestock, property and injuries and death to people directly.
6. Environmental groups will vigorously fight any attempt to manage populations and WDFW and Olympia will not put up any fight.
Post by: nwwanderer on March 12, 2019, 08:16:42 AM
Post by: Machias on March 12, 2019, 10:08:44 AM
This WILL happen in WA.
Well, we know a few things.
1. They are spreading toward WA and IF they are not here already they will get here either through natural or transport means.
2. There is suitable habitat in much of the state. Without management populations will grow here just like other states.
3. WDFW will not fight reintroduction and there is little to no means to prevent natural re-population.
4. The public, in general, supports grizzlies and intensely dislikes the idea of hunting for any reason.
5. Without active management, we will see similar results as other states - numbers above objective, expanding ranges, increased interaction with livestock and people. There will also be increased pressure on other animals (competitive predators and prey alike) along with monetary damages to livestock, property and injuries and death to people directly.
6. Environmental groups will vigorously fight any attempt to manage populations and WDFW and Olympia will not put up any fight.
They are well established here in Eastern WA already.
Post by: OutHouse on March 12, 2019, 01:04:18 PM
Post by: bigmacc on March 12, 2019, 01:19:18 PM
Incredible story. About ten years ago I was showing my soon to be wife a really cool clearing and stream on a mountain in chewuch unit. We pull down into the clearing off the jeep trail and sure enough there is what was probably an older juvenile brown bear (not quite full size). Dish face, huge trembling shoulder muscles as it ran, and the tracks showed a relatively straight line of toes with claw marks out at least three inches. I always thought it was a wanderer from Canada but could have been a resident for all I know.
I know some guys who have hunted the Lamb Butte area in 218 for over 40 years, this year they seen less than 5 deer over a 9 day period but did see a Grizzly and wolf sign, they said they seen the same grizzly last year and it had a younger one traveling with it, needless to say with grizzly and wolf in that area they said it was all but void of deer. After they seen the 2 in there last year, they were all packing bear spray while hunting the 8 mile area this year.
Post by: OutHouse on March 12, 2019, 01:32:38 PM
Incredible story. About ten years ago I was showing my soon to be wife a really cool clearing and stream on a mountain in chewuch unit. We pull down into the clearing off the jeep trail and sure enough there is what was probably an older juvenile brown bear (not quite full size). Dish face, huge trembling shoulder muscles as it ran, and the tracks showed a relatively straight line of toes with claw marks out at least three inches. I always thought it was a wanderer from Canada but could have been a resident for all I know.
I know some guys who have hunted the Lamb Butte area in 218 for over 40 years, this year they seen less than 5 deer over a 9 day period but did see a Grizzly and wolf sign, they said they seen the same grizzly last year and it had a younger one traveling with it, needless to say with grizzly and wolf in that area they said it was all but void of deer. After they seen the 2 in there last year, they were all packing bear spray while hunting the 8 mile area this year.
Very interesting and not surprising. When my folks first bought property in gardner unit across the highway there was a biologist living in a nearby cabin. He said that he knew for fact that there was a small pack living on and around Sandy Butte mountain and that they were likely travelling south into the Sawtooth Wilderness and toward Lake Chelan and back. That was in 1999. I was 13 and he told me to watch out because I was always playing and scouting in the woods. He told me if you see that four inch dog track it ain't no dog! When I saw that brown bear I talked to people about it and they just brushed it off saying it was just one of those cinnamon black bears. The tracks don't lie though in my opinion.
Post by: bigmacc on March 12, 2019, 03:38:56 PM
Incredible story. About ten years ago I was showing my soon to be wife a really cool clearing and stream on a mountain in chewuch unit. We pull down into the clearing off the jeep trail and sure enough there is what was probably an older juvenile brown bear (not quite full size). Dish face, huge trembling shoulder muscles as it ran, and the tracks showed a relatively straight line of toes with claw marks out at least three inches. I always thought it was a wanderer from Canada but could have been a resident for all I know.
I know some guys who have hunted the Lamb Butte area in 218 for over 40 years, this year they seen less than 5 deer over a 9 day period but did see a Grizzly and wolf sign, they said they seen the same grizzly last year and it had a younger one traveling with it, needless to say with grizzly and wolf in that area they said it was all but void of deer. After they seen the 2 in there last year, they were all packing bear spray while hunting the 8 mile area this year.
Very interesting and not surprising. When my folks first bought property in gardner unit across the highway there was a biologist living in a nearby cabin. He said that he knew for fact that there was a small pack living on and around Sandy Butte mountain and that they were likely travelling north into the Sawtooth Wilderness and toward Lake Chelan and back. That was in 1999. I was 13 and he told me to watch out because I was always playing and scouting in the woods. He told me if you see that four inch dog track it ain't no dog! When I saw that brown bear I talked to people about it and they just brushed it off saying it was just one of those cinnamon black bears. The tracks don't lie though in my opinion.
Yep, these guys are experienced hunters, 2 of the 4 of them spend a lot of time in Alaska fishing and hunting. They are 100% positive that the 2 they seen in 2017 were a momma and yearling grizz and the one this year was the momma minus the juvenile, they estimated the momma at between 500-700 lbs. In 2017 they spotted it at about 150 yards away, this last deer season it was at approx 80-90 yards on a hogback across a draw from them. Needless to say when I am wandering around the Methow these days I have bear spray on my hip and a 357 across my chest, when I was a kid, there wasn't much out there in the Methow to worry about, not any more. I agree with a lot of other folks and have been predicting it for awhile now, its just a matter of time before something happens to a cross country skier, jogger, hiker or hunter over there, it almost happened to a DNR worker.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 12, 2019, 04:12:08 PM
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