Post by: B4noon on March 25, 2019, 01:33:29 PM
Post by: kirkl on March 25, 2019, 03:44:40 PM
Post by: B4noon on March 25, 2019, 03:51:39 PM
Post by: kirkl on March 25, 2019, 03:55:22 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2019/march-1-2019-meeting-agenda
Post by: kirkl on March 25, 2019, 04:07:18 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 25, 2019, 04:19:56 PM
Post by: Crunchy on March 25, 2019, 04:24:39 PM
12 rifle tags for observatory which encompases 3 gmu's, down from 35. Pathetic
wow that is a huge hit. Glad it isnt one of the units I put in for. Where did all the elk go?? Wolves I assume....
Post by: KFhunter on March 25, 2019, 04:30:54 PM
12 rifle tags for observatory which encompases 3 gmu's, down from 35. Pathetic
wow that is a huge hit. Glad it isnt one of the units I put in for. Where did all the elk go?? Wolves I assume....
nooo it wasn't wolves!
it was poor habitat!
it was winter kill!
it was hoof rot!
it was ticks!
it was gillnets!
anything but wolves
Post by: Bango skank on March 25, 2019, 04:31:05 PM
12 rifle tags for observatory which encompases 3 gmu's, down from 35. Pathetic
And it will continue to get worse. Wdfw will not manage predators, and without managing predators no amount of managing ungulates and reducing tags will fix our declining herds.
Post by: KFhunter on March 25, 2019, 04:34:02 PM
And it will continue to get worse. Wdfw will not manage predators, and without managing predators no amount of managing ungulates and reducing tags will fix our declining herds.(https://i.imgflip.com/17v5h2.jpg)
Post by: bobcat on March 25, 2019, 04:37:29 PM
Post by: Mfowl on March 25, 2019, 04:37:54 PM
(https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/sm_wdfwlogoclrnotxt_0.gif):pee:
:yeah:
Post by: kirkl on March 25, 2019, 04:52:06 PM
Post by: B4noon on March 25, 2019, 05:16:52 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 25, 2019, 05:26:52 PM
:bash:
Post by: KFhunter on March 25, 2019, 05:35:10 PM
I would just caution that focusing on tribal harvest too much and you'll miss the impact predators are having. If the Yakima's are focusing on bulls that's not going to reduce the overall herd unless there's no bulls left, the cows are still getting bred, it might be late, it might be spread out, and that might get more calves killed, but that's all subjective and not really settled science.
Just don't focus like a laser beam on the tribal take and miss the whole picture, seeing pickup loads of bulls coming out would be hard to swallow though.
Wolves are more insidious, they don't parade their kills past people's houses in 4x4 trucks.
Post by: Tbar on March 25, 2019, 05:40:36 PM
I don't believe predators are the problem in that area. More likely it's the unregulated hunting by the Yakama tribe.Or more than likely the elk agricultural interface. But continue on with your unrepresented hate generator.
Post by: Tbar on March 25, 2019, 05:44:24 PM
I know it's almost a forbidden topic but when you have seen over the last few years trucks with 4 to 5 branched bulls roll by the house every weekend august through febuary it doesn't take long to add up where all the mature bulls have gone. Some sort of co-management needs to exist not sure the answer but we are on the fringes of losing the battle how pathetic it will be 5 years from now when we have to look back on single digit permit levels and refer to them as the good ol' days. Wolves are on the outskirts of the yakima herd but have been for years and are not having that significant of an impact yet, however within the next 3 to 5 years of continuing current wolf management they too will be a force to reckon with in this area as wellI would bet those trucks don't come close to the damage harvest. In addition to that you only paint part of the picture. Cows are the population drivers and those permit numbers are plummeting as well. Maybe if you guys would take the blinders off from time to time you'd see what's going on in plain sight.
Post by: B4noon on March 25, 2019, 05:45:31 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 25, 2019, 05:49:27 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 25, 2019, 05:55:36 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 25, 2019, 05:55:45 PM
I know it's almost a forbidden topic but when you have seen over the last few years trucks with 4 to 5 branched bulls roll by the house every weekend august through febuary it doesn't take long to add up where all the mature bulls have gone. Some sort of co-management needs to exist not sure the answer but we are on the fringes of losing the battle how pathetic it will be 5 years from now when we have to look back on single digit permit levels and refer to them as the good ol' days. Wolves are on the outskirts of the yakima herd but have been for years and are not having that significant of an impact yet, however within the next 3 to 5 years of continuing current wolf management they too will be a force to reckon with in this area as well:yeah: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: B4noon on March 25, 2019, 05:57:07 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 25, 2019, 06:10:56 PM
The FB posts titled Jerky Season and dead bulls in trucks is glaring.Tbar, do you think it’s ok if one member alone kills 25-30 bulls in one year, some years more, to satisfy the guys jerky business? And that’s just one member that abuses the treaty. We all realize it’s not only the tribes, but it’s certainly part of the problem. Does your tribe, the nooksacks, abuse the treaties or do they self regulate?
Post by: KFhunter on March 25, 2019, 06:17:37 PM
all the more reason for the tribe to be transparent and share harvest statistics. Once the total harvest is accounted for maybe we will discover what the true impact is and it might not be as significant as thought then we could move on to the next reason as to why the bulls are disappearing but data has to be shared in order to get to that point. I would think it would be in the best interest of all parties to manage the herd to it's greatest potential
100% :yeah:
Post by: kirkl on March 25, 2019, 06:33:15 PM
Down the local Yakima elk herd Tbar?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 25, 2019, 06:56:59 PM
Seems like a kneejerk to a problem that doesn’t exist to the extent they claim. :twocents:
Post by: Tbar on March 25, 2019, 08:33:24 PM
Tbar- sounds like you're the one with the blinders on.Yep! You're right......
Post by: Tbar on March 25, 2019, 08:37:19 PM
You know how many bulls one member killed? Or wait, you read it on the internet so it must be right?The FB posts titled Jerky Season and dead bulls in trucks is glaring.Tbar, do you think it’s ok if one member alone kills 25-30 bulls in one year, some years more, to satisfy the guys jerky business? And that’s just one member that abuses the treaty. We all realize it’s not only the tribes, but it’s certainly part of the problem. Does your tribe, the nooksacks, abuse the treaties or do they self regulate?
Post by: trophyhunt on March 25, 2019, 08:40:02 PM
nope wrong, never heard it on the net. From a yakama.You know how many bulls one member killed? Or wait, you read it on the internet so it must be right?The FB posts titled Jerky Season and dead bulls in trucks is glaring.Tbar, do you think it’s ok if one member alone kills 25-30 bulls in one year, some years more, to satisfy the guys jerky business? And that’s just one member that abuses the treaty. We all realize it’s not only the tribes, but it’s certainly part of the problem. Does your tribe, the nooksacks, abuse the treaties or do they self regulate?
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on March 25, 2019, 08:53:49 PM
You know how many bulls one member killed? Or wait, you read it on the internet so it must be right?The FB posts titled Jerky Season and dead bulls in trucks is glaring.Tbar, do you think it’s ok if one member alone kills 25-30 bulls in one year, some years more, to satisfy the guys jerky business? And that’s just one member that abuses the treaty. We all realize it’s not only the tribes, but it’s certainly part of the problem. Does your tribe, the nooksacks, abuse the treaties or do they self regulate?
I was fb friends with one guy that I followed along watching him kill, jerky and take orders for said jerky for about ten bulls before I couldn’t take it anymore and Unfriended him he documents it all pretty thoroughly actually
Post by: cem3434 on March 25, 2019, 09:46:12 PM
You know how many bulls one member killed? Or wait, you read it on the internet so it must be right?The FB posts titled Jerky Season and dead bulls in trucks is glaring.Tbar, do you think it’s ok if one member alone kills 25-30 bulls in one year, some years more, to satisfy the guys jerky business? And that’s just one member that abuses the treaty. We all realize it’s not only the tribes, but it’s certainly part of the problem. Does your tribe, the nooksacks, abuse the treaties or do they self regulate?
Blah blah blah, same crap....different diaper from a tribal member trying to justify the over harvest by some other tribal members. We ALL have bad apples and most of us are more than happy to see when poachers are prosecuted, but it seems tribal members always run and hide behind a treaty when it's one of their own. The good news is the wolves are taking over along with the other overpopulated predators, so there wont be anything left for anyone to hunt in 20 years. :bash:
I'm glad to see that the tribes don't care about the health of the herds and conservation is word that you say, but don't practice. :tup:
Post by: mfswallace on March 25, 2019, 11:32:36 PM
You know how many bulls one member killed? Or wait, you read it on the internet so it must be right?The FB posts titled Jerky Season and dead bulls in trucks is glaring.Tbar, do you think it’s ok if one member alone kills 25-30 bulls in one year, some years more, to satisfy the guys jerky business? And that’s just one member that abuses the treaty. We all realize it’s not only the tribes, but it’s certainly part of the problem. Does your tribe, the nooksacks, abuse the treaties or do they self regulate?
Blah blah blah, same crap....different diaper from a tribal member trying to justify the over harvest by some other tribal members. We ALL have bad apples and most of us are more than happy to see when poachers are prosecuted, but it seems tribal members always run and hide behind a treaty when it's one of their own. The good news is the wolves are taking over along with the other overpopulated predators, so there wont be anything left for anyone to hunt in 20 years. :bash:
I'm glad to see that the tribes don't care about the health of the herds and conservation is word that you say, but don't practice. :tup:
I guess because ultimately the " tribes" allow this to happen yes but---
I know some members don't agree with the jerky business of killing 25-30 bulls plus who knows how many cows, it's just not the right members and in a significant number to make changes....
Post by: trophyhunt on March 26, 2019, 04:21:23 AM
agree, not all members take advantage of their rights, the elders need to change their attitude about tribal over harvest before anything changes.You know how many bulls one member killed? Or wait, you read it on the internet so it must be right?The FB posts titled Jerky Season and dead bulls in trucks is glaring.Tbar, do you think it’s ok if one member alone kills 25-30 bulls in one year, some years more, to satisfy the guys jerky business? And that’s just one member that abuses the treaty. We all realize it’s not only the tribes, but it’s certainly part of the problem. Does your tribe, the nooksacks, abuse the treaties or do they self regulate?
Blah blah blah, same crap....different diaper from a tribal member trying to justify the over harvest by some other tribal members. We ALL have bad apples and most of us are more than happy to see when poachers are prosecuted, but it seems tribal members always run and hide behind a treaty when it's one of their own. The good news is the wolves are taking over along with the other overpopulated predators, so there wont be anything left for anyone to hunt in 20 years. :bash:
I'm glad to see that the tribes don't care about the health of the herds and conservation is word that you say, but don't practice. :tup:
I guess because ultimately the " tribes" allow this to happen yes but---
I know some members don't agree with the jerky business of killing 25-30 bulls plus who knows how many cows, it's just not the right members and in a significant number to make changes....
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 26, 2019, 08:11:15 AM
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Post by: trophyelk6x6 on March 26, 2019, 03:36:25 PM
Post by: dvolmer on March 26, 2019, 03:41:08 PM
Does anybody know how the Herrera v Wyoming case before the Supreme Court could affect the Yakama’s treaty? Is there any chance that a favorable ruling for the state could shut down other tribal treaty abuses?It probably wont make a difference here in Washington. Our liberal west side government and Judges will let the natives do whatever they want and they wont prosecute even if their is a law stating otherwise. guaranteed!!!
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Post by: Stein on March 26, 2019, 04:32:06 PM
Does anybody know how the Herrera v Wyoming case before the Supreme Court could affect the Yakama’s treaty? Is there any chance that a favorable ruling for the state could shut down other tribal treaty abuses?It probably wont make a difference here in Washington. Our liberal west side government and Judges will let the natives do whatever they want and they wont prosecute even if their is a law stating otherwise. guaranteed!!!
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The State of Washington would have to sue and I agree that there is little to no chance of that happening. Each treaty is different and I don't know enough to know how similar the two are.
Post by: gee_unit360 on March 26, 2019, 06:04:46 PM
12 rifle tags for observatory which encompases 3 gmu's, down from 35. Pathetic
Ridiculous, :mgun: WDFW
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 26, 2019, 06:23:59 PM
Post by: bigdub257 on March 26, 2019, 06:53:16 PM
How do we start a boycott of their jerky biz? Whats the who, what, where on it? Stop the demand for it might help ???
:yeah:
Post by: Tbar on March 26, 2019, 07:50:19 PM
You have me figured out for sure.You know how many bulls one member killed? Or wait, you read it on the internet so it must be right?The FB posts titled Jerky Season and dead bulls in trucks is glaring.Tbar, do you think it’s ok if one member alone kills 25-30 bulls in one year, some years more, to satisfy the guys jerky business? And that’s just one member that abuses the treaty. We all realize it’s not only the tribes, but it’s certainly part of the problem. Does your tribe, the nooksacks, abuse the treaties or do they self regulate?
Blah blah blah, same crap....different diaper from a tribal member trying to justify the over harvest by some other tribal members. We ALL have bad apples and most of us are more than happy to see when poachers are prosecuted, but it seems tribal members always run and hide behind a treaty when it's one of their own. The good news is the wolves are taking over along with the other overpopulated predators, so there wont be anything left for anyone to hunt in 20 years. :bash:
I'm glad to see that the tribes don't care about the health of the herds and conservation is word that you say, but don't practice. :tup:
Post by: cem3434 on March 26, 2019, 09:22:15 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 26, 2019, 09:35:57 PM
I’m not a tribal hater. Numbers is numbers.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 26, 2019, 09:40:21 PM
I guess my point is that your kids may literally have a better chance of winning powerball than they do drawing a Washington quality elk tag in their lifetime.
Post by: cem3434 on March 26, 2019, 09:54:12 PM
Post by: huntnnw on March 26, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
Post by: cem3434 on March 26, 2019, 10:37:40 PM
Like I said before most of us can't afford to hunt out of state every year or don't have the vacation to do so. Telling people that is the solution and basically give up on your home state is not realistic for the majority of hunters. Its sounds like you're in a position to do so, which probably puts you in a very small percentage that can do so.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 27, 2019, 05:11:10 AM
If what the “tribal ticket” is saying is 1/2 true, then tribal branched bull take is likely greater than the quality/bull permit take throughout the state. I’m not gonna go through and do it but what are there 700 (I counted and ballparked) branched permits statewide and a 50% success rate (guess). That’s 350 branched bulls taken by permit holders...y’all got ballpark estimates on tribal harvest? How does it stack up?not sure we will ever get an honest harvest report from the tribes, yakamas anyway. When one person alone takes 25-30 bulls, some years much more to support a business that’s even illegal under tribal law, that’s just one member. We will never know the real numbers.
I’m not a tribal hater. Numbers is numbers.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 27, 2019, 05:17:29 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 27, 2019, 05:56:52 AM
people complaining about not drawing premium rifle tags need to take up other weapon choices if you wanna hunt a good unit. I do not feel sorry or wonder why people do not draw when you look at the odds of some of these units. Hunt outta state and when you do draw a tag in a good units its a added bonusYour odds of drawing MTV last year with like 3 points was still probably less than 1%. That’s 100 years if you DON’T use statistics, probably 150 if’n you do.
That’s what I’m saying. WDFW will get their come uppins if/when people actually look at the odds.
Post by: huntnnw on March 27, 2019, 05:57:48 AM
Not sure that this is a rifle tag problem and I don't think most are complaining that the tags have been cut rather that many tribal members seemingly don't care about the health of the herds. I have only put in for muzzy the last 5 years or so and I was archery for several years before that. The real issue is the number of hunters and lack of tags regardless of the tag designation. As others have said when tribal members are a small percentage of the overall hunting population, but probably account for half of the overall harvest of mature bulls on the eastside then we have a problem. The non native tags have been cut severely, but the tribal hunters remain unregulated. I honestly don't have a problem with subsistence hunting, but targeting only mature bulls and killing dozens of elk for a jerky business is ridiculous. If tribal members don't agree with that assessment then they are part of the problem.
Like I said before most of us can't afford to hunt out of state every year or don't have the vacation to do so. Telling people that is the solution and basically give up on your home state is not realistic for the majority of hunters. Its sounds like you're in a position to do so, which probably puts you in a very small percentage that can do so.
it usually boils down to priorities in life
Post by: jstone on March 27, 2019, 07:04:13 AM
. It doesn’t matter what you put in for it could take forever
Post by: cem3434 on March 27, 2019, 07:42:43 AM
it usually boils down to priorities in life
So if I understand you, you are okay with the drastic cut in Eastside bull permits and tribal members being completely unregulated because you have the means to hunt out if state? I guess ignorance is bliss and you're definitely in the minority.
Post by: Ironhead on March 27, 2019, 08:21:55 AM
it usually boils down to priorities in life
So if I understand you, you are okay with the drastic cut in Eastside bull permits and tribal members being completely unregulated because you have the means to hunt out if state? I guess ignorance is bliss and you're definitely in the minority.
Its also coming from a guy that's drawn at least 2 quality Bull tags in the last 10 or 12 years.
I have over 20 quality Elk points and have only put in for Archery or Muzzy hunts. I put in for 10 Western states and have great hunts every year, but I would like to have a quality Elk hunt in my home state some day.
Post by: HoofsandWings on March 27, 2019, 10:01:19 AM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 27, 2019, 05:13:40 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 27, 2019, 05:46:57 PM
It’s to the point they just need to make every unit in the state draw only for deer and elk.Not that completly disagree, but then the non natives will be the only ones held back. I’ve said this before, it’s radical and might seem crazy, but, I say open it up to any elk long enough to wipe out the elk. Maybe that will force the tribes to come to the table and agree on limits.
Post by: bobcat on March 27, 2019, 06:59:55 PM
In the Yakama tribe's hunting area, we should adopt the same hunting seasons and limits that they have. Year around for bull elk and cow elk from September 1st to December 31st. Kill as many as you want. No limits. Same for deer.
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 27, 2019, 08:36:51 PM
Post by: ribka on March 27, 2019, 09:02:44 PM
A few years ago 2 tribal members shot 7 cows and 2 spikes in the Wenas on my neighbors pasture and left them to rot. WDFW refused to prosecute and the Tribal authorities also did nothing. That pretty much sums up the current state hunting in Washington state.
Left wing anti hunting groups like Conservation NW pretty much dictates game management now in Washington.
Post by: grundy53 on March 27, 2019, 09:05:14 PM
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Post by: bobcat on March 27, 2019, 09:20:31 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/about/regulations/2019/wsr_19-03-129.pdf
Post by: Tinmaniac on March 27, 2019, 09:23:16 PM
The tribal hunters are sure wiping out the few remaining does left on the LT Murray this winter. Used to be pretty decent deer numbers. All wiped out now. Great job WDFW!!!Please explain what you think the State can do when the tribes are exercising Federal treaty rights.?I don't like 2 different sets of rules but the state is pretty much powerless when it comes to treaty rights.
A few years ago 2 tribal members shot 7 cows and 2 spikes in the Wenas on my neighbors pasture and left them to rot. WDFW refused to prosecute and the Tribal authorities also did nothing. That pretty much sums up the current state hunting in Washington state.
Left wing anti hunting groups like Conservation NW pretty much dictates game management now in Washington.
Post by: bobcat on March 27, 2019, 09:34:53 PM
Post by: bigdub257 on March 27, 2019, 09:41:49 PM
The tribal hunters are sure wiping out the few remaining does left on the LT Murray this winter. Used to be pretty decent deer numbers. All wiped out now. Great job WDFW!!!
A few years ago 2 tribal members shot 7 cows and 2 spikes in the Wenas on my neighbors pasture and left them to rot. WDFW refused to prosecute and the Tribal authorities also did nothing. That pretty much sums up the current state hunting in Washington state.
Left wing anti hunting groups like Conservation NW pretty much dictates game management now in Washington.
No deer left in the Umtanum. Used to enjoy seeing all the rutting bucks during rifle elk season. Lucky if you see one or two does a day now.
Post by: Tinmaniac on March 27, 2019, 09:50:33 PM
The state could gate all state land and keep the gates closed from November through the end of May. If they want to kill elk on their winter range they can do it on foot. The treaties didn't promise motorized access to anywhere they want to hunt.The tribes would then sue the state in Federal court claiming the state is blocking the tribe from their usual and accustomed hunting grounds.Anybody ever hear of the Boldt decision?This would be no different.
Post by: huntnnw on March 27, 2019, 10:17:17 PM
it usually boils down to priorities in life
So if I understand you, you are okay with the drastic cut in Eastside bull permits and tribal members being completely unregulated because you have the means to hunt out if state? I guess ignorance is bliss and you're definitely in the minority.
where in the hell do you come to that conclusion from my post? wow.. that is about a complete 180 from what I am talking about
Post by: huntnnw on March 27, 2019, 10:22:44 PM
It’s to the point they just need to make every unit in the state draw only for deer and elk.
mule deer in this state should absolutely be permit only for ALL rifle hunts. Its a joke what this state has done to the mule deer and lack of any sort of management. Well over less than half this state has mule deer habitat yet we are only second in popualtion to CA and its free for all every fall on muleys.
Post by: grundy53 on March 27, 2019, 10:24:35 PM
I think this is it:Thank you
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/about/regulations/2019/wsr_19-03-129.pdf
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Post by: Tinmaniac on March 27, 2019, 10:25:53 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 28, 2019, 05:29:21 AM
:yeah:100% agree!! Think about it, it makes perfect sense. There is no other way to get the tribes to change.
In the Yakama tribe's hunting area, we should adopt the same hunting seasons and limits that they have. Year around for bull elk and cow elk from September 1st to December 31st. Kill as many as you want. No limits. Same for deer.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 28, 2019, 05:36:51 AM
The state could gate all state land and keep the gates closed from November through the end of May. If they want to kill elk on their winter range they can do it on foot. The treaties didn't promise motorized access to anywhere they want to hunt.That's not going to happen, the areas I know where the tribes hunt the USFS gives them a key and its closed to motorized vehicles except USFS and the tribes.
Post by: sagerat on March 28, 2019, 05:54:32 AM
The state could gate all state land and keep the gates closed from November through the end of May. If they want to kill elk on their winter range they can do it on foot. The treaties didn't promise motorized access to anywhere they want to hunt.That's not going to happen, the areas I know where the tribes hunt the USFS gives them a key and its closed to motorized vehicles except USFS and the tribes.
This also happens on DNR ground. We have to hike in yet the tribe gets a key. I can’t stand it.
Post by: cem3434 on March 28, 2019, 06:12:54 AM
it usually boils down to priorities in life
So if I understand you, you are okay with the drastic cut in Eastside bull permits and tribal members being completely unregulated because you have the means to hunt out if state? I guess ignorance is bliss and you're definitely in the minority.
where in the hell do you come to that conclusion from my post? wow.. that is about a complete 180 from what I am talking about
Re-read your prior posts. If I misunderstood something, please communicate where. You jumped to the conclusion that people were were complaining about not enough eastside MF bull permits. You completely missed the point of the mismanagement of the herds by the state and the blatant over harvest by some tribal members without the tribes seemingly caring. We all know that there aren't enough permits (or elk) and too many hunters applying for a small percentage of permits in this state. This still doesn't address the piss poor management of the herds (deer and elk) by WDFW and the tribes.
Further you made a comment that it's all about priorities when it comes to having the means to hunting out of state. Most cannot afford to hunt out of state every year and that is not a solution to the problem. To me, you come across as you're an elitist because you are in the small percentage that can afford to and has the vacation to hunt out of state every year. Again, if I'm off base, please tell me what I misunderstood from your previous posts.
Post by: bigdub257 on March 28, 2019, 07:53:24 AM
That's not going to happen, the areas I know where the tribes hunt the USFS gives them a key and its closed to motorized vehicles except USFS and the tribes.
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Wow.....wasn't aware of that.
Post by: Green broke on March 29, 2019, 08:37:46 PM
You are truly clueless! Either that or just need to make excuses for your inability.You know how many bulls one member killed? Or wait, you read it on the internet so it must be right?The FB posts titled Jerky Season and dead bulls in trucks is glaring.Tbar, do you think it’s ok if one member alone kills 25-30 bulls in one year, some years more, to satisfy the guys jerky business? And that’s just one member that abuses the treaty. We all realize it’s not only the tribes, but it’s certainly part of the problem. Does your tribe, the nooksacks, abuse the treaties or do they self regulate?
Blah blah blah, same crap....different diaper from a tribal member trying to justify the over harvest by some other tribal members. We ALL have bad apples and most of us are more than happy to see when poachers are prosecuted, but it seems tribal members always run and hide behind a treaty when it's one of their own. The good news is the wolves are taking over along with the other overpopulated predators, so there wont be anything left for anyone to hunt in 20 years. :bash:
I'm glad to see that the tribes don't care about the health of the herds and conservation is word that you say, but don't practice. :tup:
Post by: Green broke on March 29, 2019, 08:43:54 PM
Not sure that this is a rifle tag problem and I don't think most are complaining that the tags have been cut rather that many tribal members seemingly don't care about the health of the herds. I have only put in for muzzy the last 5 years or so and I was archery for several years before that. The real issue is the number of hunters and lack of tags regardless of the tag designation. As others have said when tribal members are a small percentage of the overall hunting population, but probably account for half of the overall harvest of mature bulls on the eastside then we have a problem. The non native tags have been cut severely, but the tribal hunters remain unregulated. I honestly don't have a problem with subsistence hunting, but targeting only mature bulls and killing dozens of elk for a jerky business is ridiculous. If tribal members don't agree with that assessment then they are part of the problem.In your back yard the tribes have been the solution, so much so that the season is improving to promote harvest. But keep you accusations, lies and excuses going they love it here on hatewa.
Like I said before most of us can't afford to hunt out of state every year or don't have the vacation to do so. Telling people that is the solution and basically give up on your home state is not realistic for the majority of hunters. Its sounds like you're in a position to do so, which probably puts you in a very small percentage that can do so.
Post by: Colville on March 29, 2019, 08:49:54 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 29, 2019, 08:55:11 PM
Quinault tribe I looked up at one time but don't remember for sure. But I believe their limit was four deer and four elk per year. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't know about any of the others. But I'm pretty sure the the Yakama tribe is the only one to have absolutely no limit.
Post by: Green broke on March 29, 2019, 08:57:50 PM
Simple question. Is there a 1 elk limit in the tribes? And if so how can one find those punished for taking more, and the punishment? If not one elk, whats the limit and why?Fair question, every tribe has their own regulations. Things have drastically in the recent past and the tribes are at the forefront of management. They may also be many species only hope to perpetuate and others to be managed responsibly.
As for punishment this is another area where there have been sweeping changes recently ( the last decade+). Many if not most tribal laws and punishment exceed the states and the prosecution rate is heavily weighted on the tribal side. State prosecutors just do not put a lot of importance on natural resources crimes.
Post by: Green broke on March 29, 2019, 08:59:12 PM
Yakama tribe has no limit on deer or elk. Bucks and bulls open year around, does and cows they only get 4 months.Call them out individually if you disagree.
Quinault tribe I looked up at one time but don't remember for sure. But I believe their limit was four deer and four elk per year. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't know about any of the others. But I'm pretty sure the the Yakama tribe is the only one to have absolutely no limit.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 29, 2019, 08:59:35 PM
Simple question. Is there a 1 elk limit in the tribes? And if so how can one find those punished for taking more, and the punishment? If not one elk, whats the limit and why?Depends on the tribe. Some are one bull, some are one elk. Some allow multiple. Know of one where there are designated hunters for the old people. The two guys get the tags for thirty or so elders that can't hunt and fill the tags for them.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 29, 2019, 10:12:12 PM
cmon green broke, let’s call a spade a spade, the yakamas have no limit, RIGHT? And, tell me they prosecute their own, please ! I don’t believe your full of crap but if your trying to tell us the natives prosecute their members more than non natives get prosecuted by the state, WRONG!Yakama tribe has no limit on deer or elk. Bucks and bulls open year around, does and cows they only get 4 months.Call them out individually if you disagree.
Quinault tribe I looked up at one time but don't remember for sure. But I believe their limit was four deer and four elk per year. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't know about any of the others. But I'm pretty sure the the Yakama tribe is the only one to have absolutely no limit.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 29, 2019, 10:20:27 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 29, 2019, 10:26:40 PM
Yakama tribe has no limit on deer or elk. Bucks and bulls open year around, does and cows they only get 4 months.Call them out individually if you disagree.
Quinault tribe I looked up at one time but don't remember for sure. But I believe their limit was four deer and four elk per year. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't know about any of the others. But I'm pretty sure the the Yakama tribe is the only one to have absolutely no limit.
Not sure what you mean.
Post by: KFhunter on March 29, 2019, 10:54:03 PM
Post by: cem3434 on March 30, 2019, 11:21:27 AM
You are truly clueless! Either that or just need to make excuses for your inability.
You haven't provided any information to refute my point. I'm not really sure what you mean by my inability either, as my freezers are full with game meat. This isn't about any persons ability to hunt, its about the blatant over harvest and unregulated seasons by many natives, in particular members of the Yakama tribe.
Post by: cem3434 on March 30, 2019, 11:26:47 AM
In your back yard the tribes have been the solution, so much so that the season is improving to promote harvest. But keep you accusations, lies and excuses going they love it here on hatewa.
Please provide any data you have that suggests the natives have done anything to improve the game populations or opportunities for hunters in my backyard. The way I see it, you are the only one making accusations and spitting lies because you cannot support your statements. Are you really trying to defend a guy that is killing dozens of elk per year to support a jerky business by calling us liars and accusing us of spreading hate?