Post by: Trapper John on March 29, 2019, 05:58:35 PM
NRA is in trouble. They need our help or the Liberals will win and you will loose your gun rights.
JC
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nra-could-shut-down-forever-group-warns-in-fundraising-letter-194322998.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews
Post by: Redbeard on March 29, 2019, 06:12:38 PM
Post by: idaho guy on March 29, 2019, 06:29:20 PM
I would be more than happy to rejoin on one condition. Quit filling my mailbox with letters asking for more money. In my opinion , for as much junk mail I received from them that out priced my dues. I thought my membership was to help fund legal battles not postage and letters asking for more.
I feel your pain. I bought the lifetime membership because of this and said no more calls or mail ever and they have honored that. Worked for me and I want to support the nra I just couldn’t take the endless mail and phone calls.
Post by: Redbeard on March 29, 2019, 06:34:10 PM
Wayne LaPierre has a special message for you.
It was never ending.
Post by: Turdle on April 05, 2019, 09:26:30 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 05, 2019, 09:41:03 AM
I would be more than happy to rejoin on one condition. Quit filling my mailbox with letters asking for more money. In my opinion , for as much junk mail I received from them that out priced my dues. I thought my membership was to help fund legal battles not postage and letters asking for more.
I feel your pain. I bought the lifetime membership because of this and said no more calls or mail ever and they have honored that. Worked for me and I want to support the nra I just couldn’t take the endless mail and phone calls.
:yeah: Same, Life, leave me alone.
Post by: BDildine on April 05, 2019, 09:50:27 AM
Post by: bornhunter on April 05, 2019, 10:11:51 AM
I would be more than happy to rejoin on one condition. Quit filling my mailbox with letters asking for more money. In my opinion , for as much junk mail I received from them that out priced my dues. I thought my membership was to help fund legal battles not postage and letters asking for more.
Post by: Platensek-po on April 05, 2019, 10:44:03 AM
Post by: CoryTDF on April 05, 2019, 10:47:14 AM
I would be more than happy to rejoin on one condition. Quit filling my mailbox with letters asking for more money. In my opinion , for as much junk mail I received from them that out priced my dues. I thought my membership was to help fund legal battles not postage and letters asking for more.
Agree 100% with this. They got too darn greedy and it drove me away. I believe in what they stand for but the soliciting was out of control and ultimately caused me to let my membership lapse.
Post by: Lucky1 on April 05, 2019, 11:20:29 AM
I am a benefactor member. I contribute a couple hundred a couple times a year. I just ignore the other requests. I made up my mind that I wasn’t going to let the fundraising bother me.
This is serious. If you just whine about it and don’t contribute at all, maybe you deserve to lose your rights.
There is the 2nd Amendment foundation. Gun owners of America, National Association for gun rights, and others. Please help out!
Post by: konradcountry on April 05, 2019, 12:30:15 PM
They get plenty of funds from ranges that require membership and if needed those members could pay with checks.
I'm not giving them a dollar and in fact I won't do the NRA round-up when shopping online.
They are basically abandoning West coast states. Their response to 1639 was pitiful. It's actually a Bellevue group that is challenging it in court.
Their current president is terrible at strategy and doesn't get what drives the anti-gun mentality.
Post by: idaho guy on April 05, 2019, 02:08:47 PM
I hope you guys that gave up on the NRA are doing something to help preserve our 2A rights. All the other groups send out copious amounts of dire fundraising requests also. It is a business model that works. It might be annoying to get requests for money, but having to use your guns to preserve your rights will not be a pleasant experience.
I am a benefactor member. I contribute a couple hundred a couple times a year. I just ignore the other requests. I made up my mind that I wasn’t going to let the fundraising bother me.
This is serious. If you just whine about it and don’t contribute at all, maybe you deserve to lose your rights.
There is the 2nd Amendment foundation. Gun owners of America, National Association for gun rights, and others. Please help out!
:yeah: I hope every gun owner does something to help preserve the 2nd amendment. Buy a lifetime NRA membership and tell them to leave you alone it works or did fro me
Post by: tritt007 on April 05, 2019, 04:49:45 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on April 05, 2019, 05:58:03 PM
I would be more than happy to rejoin on one condition. Quit filling my mailbox with letters asking for more money. In my opinion , for as much junk mail I received from them that out priced my dues. I thought my membership was to help fund legal battles not postage and letters asking for more.
:yeah:
And add to that the phone calls. When I was a member I would get a call or two a week.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 05, 2019, 06:16:03 PM
Post by: Lucky1 on April 05, 2019, 07:24:20 PM
I would be more than happy to rejoin on one condition. Quit filling my mailbox with letters asking for more money. In my opinion , for as much junk mail I received from them that out priced my dues. I thought my membership was to help fund legal battles not postage and letters asking for more.
:yeah:
And add to that the phone calls. When I was a member I would get a call or two a week.
They call me all the time. My answering machine screens the calls. It is very easy to just ignore the continuous requests for money. Look at it like your kid begging for something he is not going to get right now. Like I said before, if you let something like that stop you from fighting to keep your rights I think something is wrong with your thinking. If you contribute to another organization and just want to bitch about the NRA, I guess that is your right. At least it still is now. When they take away the 2nd, you will also lose the 1st.
Post by: Snakeriver on April 05, 2019, 07:53:41 PM
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on April 05, 2019, 10:05:47 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on April 05, 2019, 10:36:40 PM
When a president of a company makes almost a million a year I’m good. NRA spends a lot of money on lobbying and what good has that done so far? Also, from individuals the income nra gets is less than 40%, so +60% is coming from corporations and businesses. Whatever you do won’t make a difference. Follow the money and you’ll find answers.
:yeah:
Post by: Pegasus on April 06, 2019, 09:57:39 AM
Yea not buying it.
They get plenty of funds from ranges that require membership and if needed those members could pay with checks.
I'm not giving them a dollar and in fact I won't do the NRA round-up when shopping online.
They are basically abandoning West coast states. Their response to 1639 was pitiful. It's actually a Bellevue group that is challenging it in court.
Their current president is terrible at strategy and doesn't get what drives the anti-gun mentality.
Years ago I had someone kick in my front door when my wife and I were not home. They pepper sprayed my dogs, ransacked the house and stole two firearms. Had they entered a back bedroom they would have scored four more firearms that I had laid out earlier for cleaning. All they got was the two firearms and a sandwich bag of Alaskan catnip that they mistook for pot. I hope they enjoyed smoking the catnip.
Try using their gun "insurance" sometime when someone steals some of your firearms. Their method of valuation and deductible is ridiculous and is almost worthless. Also their coverage starts behind any other insurance you might have coverage from(homeowners,etc.). When I questioned their methods and as to who owned the insurance company that provided the "free" insurance and their relationship with the NRA I suddenly got some nasty letters from their corporate lawyers. I cancelled my membership forever.
Post by: yorketransport on April 06, 2019, 10:17:08 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the loudest voice in the room isn't always the one you want speaking on your behalf.
Post by: Twispriver on April 06, 2019, 11:20:52 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on April 06, 2019, 11:30:55 AM
Post by: bearpaw on April 06, 2019, 11:35:32 AM
The voice with the most voters is the voice you want speaking for you to lawmakers, the fact Americans have more gun rights than any other country pretty much proves that fact!
Post by: LabChamp on April 06, 2019, 12:16:12 PM
Post by: bearpaw on April 06, 2019, 12:24:37 PM
Well said Dale. Sad to see so many get turned off by a leading protector of our rights sending out mailers/calling for support.
I don't know anyone that likes all the mail, I actually told them to quit sending me so much mail. I don't like the phone calls either, I usually just hang up. But I'll probably upgrade my life membership to whatever the next level is to help them out because they are the single biggest factor in keeping our gun rights.
Post by: HntnFsh on April 07, 2019, 07:29:17 AM
I got sick of the NRA's hyperbolic speech years ago and dropped my membership. When every single election is the greatest threat to your gun rights in history, it's hard to take them serious. The NRA survives on fear mongering and paranoia and the mailing that prompted that article is just another tactic. If they're failing as a business it's their own fault, not the "gun grabbing leftist liberal communists". If they offered a product of service that people wanted they wouldn't be begging for handouts. Offer members more than over the top rhetoric (which is just used against them by the other side) and they might get more support.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the loudest voice in the room isn't always the one you want speaking on your behalf.
Unfortunately if you look at the elections,bills,etc they are right. Especially in the last few years.
Post by: mountainman on April 07, 2019, 09:01:06 AM
So true, sadly.I got sick of the NRA's hyperbolic speech years ago and dropped my membership. When every single election is the greatest threat to your gun rights in history, it's hard to take them serious. The NRA survives on fear mongering and paranoia and the mailing that prompted that article is just another tactic. If they're failing as a business it's their own fault, not the "gun grabbing leftist liberal communists". If they offered a product of service that people wanted they wouldn't be begging for handouts. Offer members more than over the top rhetoric (which is just used against them by the other side) and they might get more support.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the loudest voice in the room isn't always the one you want speaking on your behalf.
Unfortunately if you look at the elections,bills,etc they are right. Especially in the last few years.
Post by: Bob33 on April 07, 2019, 09:24:54 AM
Post by: cem3434 on April 07, 2019, 09:52:27 AM
Ask Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein and their anti 2nd Amendment cohorts who or what is the biggest impediment to their efforts to eliminate gun rights.:yeah: I hate the phone calls and mailers as much as anyone else, but the NRA is the only group fighting for and protecting our 2nd Amendment Rights. If they go away, it is only a matter of time before your rights follow.
Post by: buckfvr on April 07, 2019, 10:25:26 AM
When a president of a company makes almost a million a year I’m good. NRA spends a lot of money on lobbying and what good has that done so far? Also, from individuals the income nra gets is less than 40%, so +60% is coming from corporations and businesses. Whatever you do won’t make a difference. Follow the money and you’ll find answers.
What good has lobbying done so far ?????? Really :yike: ? How do you know it hasnt helped exponentially ? Few if any politicians vote conscientiously because there is too much money and other perks floating around, and if NRA wasnt involved in Lobbying, theyd be gone. Lobbying should be illegal as its nothing more than buying votes.......yes, votes are for sale. Its not about convincing a politician to see something your/our way, but rather its about enticing him/her to cast their vote one way or the other regardless of how they actually feel about something.
Its wrong for sure, the way it is and has been for years now, but we all have to stand behind organizations that represent our better interests or we go down sooner than necessary. Support is necessary.
Post by: mtn muley madness on April 10, 2019, 01:49:40 PM
Post by: bigmacc on April 10, 2019, 01:53:35 PM
Every time there's a shooting in this country who's fault is it? According to the left it's the NRA's fault. Every time there's proposed legislation on anything gun related, who is getting attacked by the left? The NRA. Clearly the left sees and has seen for decades that the NRA is the #1 threat for our 2nd amendment rights that they so badly want to take away. This SHOULD be enough proof that any pro 2nd amendment person needs to realize how important of an organization the NRA is for us...especially us hunters that not only own guns just because we can but use them to put food on the table as a way of life. Like others have said, it's easy to throw an envelope in the recycle bin and I'd do it every day if it meant my 2nd amendment rights weren't being infringed upon. :dunno:
Well said.
Post by: Pegasus on April 26, 2019, 11:03:57 PM
Post by: tritt007 on April 26, 2019, 11:47:12 PM
Post by: bearpaw on April 27, 2019, 04:32:09 PM
https://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/LaPierreletter042519.pdf?mod=article_inline
Lapierre's letter explains his side pretty well.
Post by: Special T on April 29, 2019, 07:22:20 AM
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Post by: elkchaser54 on April 29, 2019, 07:48:44 AM
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Post by: Special T on April 29, 2019, 08:57:54 AM
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on April 29, 2019, 09:01:19 AM
I think the NRA can, will, and should continue. That said, they obviously are due for a house cleaning, and perhaps it is time for a realignment and renewed commitment to a clear mission. This happens all the time in large orgs.
Post by: BDildine on April 29, 2019, 09:24:04 AM
:yeah:if they cleaned and got their house in order, i could honestly almost see me donating again
I think the NRA can, will, and should continue. That said, they obviously are due for a house cleaning, and perhaps it is time for a realignment and renewed commitment to a clear mission. This happens all the time in large orgs.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 29, 2019, 10:20:34 AM
Post by: npaull on April 29, 2019, 10:45:10 AM
Post by: bearpaw on April 29, 2019, 12:42:11 PM
President Trump and Vice President Pence Make History Once Again at 2019 NRA Annual Meeting
MONDAY, APRIL 29, 2019 President Trump and Vice President Pence Make History Once Again at 2019 NRA Annual Meeting
SUPPORT NRA-ILA
For the second year in a row, a sitting president and vice president both addressed NRA members at the 148th Annual Meetings in Indianapolis on Friday during the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum. This makes the third year in a row that President Trump joined with thousands of NRA members to share his support for our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. His is once again one for the history books. In 2017, he became the first sitting president to attend the Annual Meetings in more than three decades when he addressed the Leadership Forum in Atlanta. The last president to attend the NRA Annual Meetings was Ronald Reagan in 1983.
And just as he did last year, President Trump promised to the cheering, capacity crowd that he will protect the firearms freedom of law-abiding Americans and that recent efforts to restrict the Second Amendment will be staunchly opposed by his administration. Vice President Pence, speaking to many of his fellow Hoosiers, echoed the president’s sentiments, noting to the crowd that both he and President Trump will stand strong against any attempts to undermine our freedom. It is a vital show of support that both the President and Vice President chose to attend the NRA-ILA Forum.
During President Trump’s speech to NRA members, he showed, yet again, just how supportive he is of our rights protected under the Second Amendment. After pointing out that former President Barack Obama had signed the UN Arms Trade Treaty, but that the U.S. Senate had not ratified it, Trump announced that he would officially withdraw the United States from the treaty. The President made clear that he would not abdicate control over the rights of law-abiding gun owners to foreign bureaucrats. He then signed, in front of all in attendance, a formal letter to the Senate requesting that it halt the ratification process and return the treaty to the Oval Office, where President Trump would “dispose” of it. Needless to say, the response from the crowd was overwhelming.
In addition to the President and Vice President, the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum featured speakers from across the country, including elected officials, first responders, veterans, NRA leaders, and freedom-loving Americans from all walks of life. Of significant note, House Minority Whip, Steve Scalise (R-La.), who was seriously wounded by a deranged gunman, stood with and addressed the forum. Please join us in thanking all of the speakers who made the 2019 NRA-ILA Leadership Forum one for the history books.
President Donald J. Trump
Vice President Mike Pence
Governor Eric Holcomb (IN)
Governor Matt Bevin (KY)
U.S. Senator Todd Young (IN)
U.S. Senator Mike Braun (IN)
U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (TX)
U.S. Representative Steve Scalise (LA-1)
NRA President LtCol Oliver North
NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre
NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox
Candace Owens
Kyle Kashuv
full story: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190429/president-trump-and-vice-president-pence-make-history-once-again-at-2019-nra-annual-meeting
Post by: Special T on April 29, 2019, 12:57:30 PM
If the NRA goes down, there will be very limited access to any certified gun safety training. Our police, some of our military, our Dept.s of Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, DOJ use certified NRA firearm training for either some or all of their firearm training. And this doesn't even consider the 10s of millions of American citizens who use NRA safety and advanced firearm training to acquire CCWs/CPLs and advance their skills. Range safety officers are mostly all certified by the NRA. Eddie Eagle programs. Summer camp programs. Hunter education live fire programs. Losing the NRA would hurt the cause of protecting the 2A in a great many ways.
This is important not to overlook. there is some very important structure the NRA provides that isnt available elsewhere. I also understand that while Gun manufactures and Citizens rights may not always align they mostly do.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on April 29, 2019, 02:13:17 PM
The NRA doesn't really fight for gun owners rights, and it hasn't for some time. It fights for gun MANUFACTURERS interests, and uses scare tactics to drum up money, which it then directs at the behest of the companies. It is a corporate lobbyist, not a citizen action group. No money from me.
Where have I heard this before? Do they make you guys sign a pledge somewhere?
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 14, 2019, 02:09:05 PM
https://theoldschoolpatriot.com/statement-regarding-nra/
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 14, 2019, 02:40:14 PM
Post by: Special T on May 15, 2019, 01:02:40 AM
Wow!No kidding!
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Post by: bearpaw on May 15, 2019, 04:57:32 AM
Col. Allen West statement.
https://theoldschoolpatriot.com/statement-regarding-nra/
There certainly is a power struggle going on. Like some of the other comments posted at the end of this story, I want to see the specifics before I blindly blame anyone in leadership, show me the specifics and I'll make my own decision who to support. In the meantime I will continue supporting NRA, but I would like to see this power struggle ended, it's not doing the organization any good. Give us verifiable specifics on how LaPierre has misguided the NRA or misused NRA funds?
Post by: konradcountry on May 20, 2019, 11:47:53 AM
Col. Allen West statement.
https://theoldschoolpatriot.com/statement-regarding-nra/
There certainly is a power struggle going on. Like some of the other comments posted at the end of this story, I want to see the specifics before I blindly blame anyone in leadership, show me the specifics and I'll make my own decision who to support. In the meantime I will continue supporting NRA, but I would like to see this power struggle ended, it's not doing the organization any good. Give us verifiable specifics on how LaPierre has misguided the NRA or misused NRA funds?
Here is a specific: 1639.
They threw in some symbolic financial support to the opposition but didn't really fight it. I suspect they are giving up on the west coast as part of a financial strategy.
They don't fight like they used to and seem to be poorly managed.
Post by: Lucky1 on May 20, 2019, 12:26:19 PM
You are not very specific about what the NRA did to help fight I-1639. I personally went to a meeting that they held at the local Red Lion where they were providing signs, literature, and helping with grassroots organizing to get out the vote against it.Col. Allen West statement.
https://theoldschoolpatriot.com/statement-regarding-nra/
There certainly is a power struggle going on. Like some of the other comments posted at the end of this story, I want to see the specifics before I blindly blame anyone in leadership, show me the specifics and I'll make my own decision who to support. In the meantime I will continue supporting NRA, but I would like to see this power struggle ended, it's not doing the organization any good. Give us verifiable specifics on how LaPierre has misguided the NRA or misused NRA funds?
Here is a specific: 1639.
They threw in some symbolic financial support to the opposition but didn't really fight it. I suspect they are giving up on the west coast as part of a financial strategy.
They don't fight like they used to and seem to be poorly managed.
I would be interested to hear from you what you specifically know about the NRAs efforts on I-1639.
The NRA is fighting for our rights all over the country. What do you expect from them?
Maybe you should join and help out. You can help make it the organization you want it to be.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 20, 2019, 12:52:43 PM
I cannot fault the NRA for recognizing that and NOT throwing good money after bad. But that also does not excuse their current internal strife. Settle it and move on.
Post by: Pegasus on May 20, 2019, 01:11:45 PM
It's sad. You can expect any gun control measure to pass by about a 60/40 split, due mostly to the dunderheads in King County, and the rest of the state's apathy.
I cannot fault the NRA for recognizing that and NOT throwing good money after bad. But that also does not excuse their current internal strife. Settle it and move on.
It's their failure to file lawsuits to challenge the new laws. Only way to beat a liberal voter base backed by liberal billionaires that will pass any anti-gun bill that comes along is to challenge the laws(s) in court. The NRA has abandoned Washington state.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 20, 2019, 01:51:16 PM
Post by: Special T on May 20, 2019, 01:55:42 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 20, 2019, 01:57:30 PM
Post by: Lucky1 on May 20, 2019, 02:00:38 PM
I believe that the NRA is part of the group that is challenging the law in court. To say that they have abandoned this state is ludicrous.It's sad. You can expect any gun control measure to pass by about a 60/40 split, due mostly to the dunderheads in King County, and the rest of the state's apathy.
I cannot fault the NRA for recognizing that and NOT throwing good money after bad. But that also does not excuse their current internal strife. Settle it and move on.
It's their failure to file lawsuits to challenge the new laws. Only way to beat a liberal voter base backed by liberal billionaires that will pass any anti-gun bill that comes along is to challenge the laws(s) in court. The NRA has abandoned Washington state.
Post by: Platensek-po on May 20, 2019, 02:05:40 PM
Anyone who doubts the influence the NRA has in supporting the 2nd Amendment, please see the guest list of speakers at the annual convention below!
President Trump and Vice President Pence Make History Once Again at 2019 NRA Annual Meeting
MONDAY, APRIL 29, 2019 President Trump and Vice President Pence Make History Once Again at 2019 NRA Annual Meeting
SUPPORT NRA-ILA
For the second year in a row, a sitting president and vice president both addressed NRA members at the 148th Annual Meetings in Indianapolis on Friday during the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum. This makes the third year in a row that President Trump joined with thousands of NRA members to share his support for our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. His is once again one for the history books. In 2017, he became the first sitting president to attend the Annual Meetings in more than three decades when he addressed the Leadership Forum in Atlanta. The last president to attend the NRA Annual Meetings was Ronald Reagan in 1983.
And just as he did last year, President Trump promised to the cheering, capacity crowd that he will protect the firearms freedom of law-abiding Americans and that recent efforts to restrict the Second Amendment will be staunchly opposed by his administration. Vice President Pence, speaking to many of his fellow Hoosiers, echoed the president’s sentiments, noting to the crowd that both he and President Trump will stand strong against any attempts to undermine our freedom. It is a vital show of support that both the President and Vice President chose to attend the NRA-ILA Forum.
During President Trump’s speech to NRA members, he showed, yet again, just how supportive he is of our rights protected under the Second Amendment. After pointing out that former President Barack Obama had signed the UN Arms Trade Treaty, but that the U.S. Senate had not ratified it, Trump announced that he would officially withdraw the United States from the treaty. The President made clear that he would not abdicate control over the rights of law-abiding gun owners to foreign bureaucrats. He then signed, in front of all in attendance, a formal letter to the Senate requesting that it halt the ratification process and return the treaty to the Oval Office, where President Trump would “dispose” of it. Needless to say, the response from the crowd was overwhelming.
In addition to the President and Vice President, the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum featured speakers from across the country, including elected officials, first responders, veterans, NRA leaders, and freedom-loving Americans from all walks of life. Of significant note, House Minority Whip, Steve Scalise (R-La.), who was seriously wounded by a deranged gunman, stood with and addressed the forum. Please join us in thanking all of the speakers who made the 2019 NRA-ILA Leadership Forum one for the history books.
President Donald J. Trump
Vice President Mike Pence
Governor Eric Holcomb (IN)
Governor Matt Bevin (KY)
U.S. Senator Todd Young (IN)
U.S. Senator Mike Braun (IN)
U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (TX)
U.S. Representative Steve Scalise (LA-1)
NRA President LtCol Oliver North
NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre
NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox
Candace Owens
Kyle Kashuv
full story: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190429/president-trump-and-vice-president-pence-make-history-once-again-at-2019-nra-annual-meeting
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 20, 2019, 02:12:49 PM
Post by: Lucky1 on May 20, 2019, 04:42:52 PM
Didn’t Trump also enact the first gun ban in over 20years?? Made a bunch of law abiding citizens felons by banning a piece of plastic. What a gun rights supporter am I right? Remember when Obama enacted a ban on firearms and came to take them away? Oops sorry it’s the NRA backed candidate that did that.The choice they had was to back Hilary or Trump. Trump is the better choice by far.Anyone who doubts the influence the NRA has in supporting the 2nd Amendment, please see the guest list of speakers at the annual convention below!
President Trump and Vice President Pence Make History Once Again at 2019 NRA Annual Meeting
MONDAY, APRIL 29, 2019 President Trump and Vice President Pence Make History Once Again at 2019 NRA Annual Meeting
SUPPORT NRA-ILA
For the second year in a row, a sitting president and vice president both addressed NRA members at the 148th Annual Meetings in Indianapolis on Friday during the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum. This makes the third year in a row that President Trump joined with thousands of NRA members to share his support for our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. His is once again one for the history books. In 2017, he became the first sitting president to attend the Annual Meetings in more than three decades when he addressed the Leadership Forum in Atlanta. The last president to attend the NRA Annual Meetings was Ronald Reagan in 1983.
And just as he did last year, President Trump promised to the cheering, capacity crowd that he will protect the firearms freedom of law-abiding Americans and that recent efforts to restrict the Second Amendment will be staunchly opposed by his administration. Vice President Pence, speaking to many of his fellow Hoosiers, echoed the president’s sentiments, noting to the crowd that both he and President Trump will stand strong against any attempts to undermine our freedom. It is a vital show of support that both the President and Vice President chose to attend the NRA-ILA Forum.
During President Trump’s speech to NRA members, he showed, yet again, just how supportive he is of our rights protected under the Second Amendment. After pointing out that former President Barack Obama had signed the UN Arms Trade Treaty, but that the U.S. Senate had not ratified it, Trump announced that he would officially withdraw the United States from the treaty. The President made clear that he would not abdicate control over the rights of law-abiding gun owners to foreign bureaucrats. He then signed, in front of all in attendance, a formal letter to the Senate requesting that it halt the ratification process and return the treaty to the Oval Office, where President Trump would “dispose” of it. Needless to say, the response from the crowd was overwhelming.
In addition to the President and Vice President, the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum featured speakers from across the country, including elected officials, first responders, veterans, NRA leaders, and freedom-loving Americans from all walks of life. Of significant note, House Minority Whip, Steve Scalise (R-La.), who was seriously wounded by a deranged gunman, stood with and addressed the forum. Please join us in thanking all of the speakers who made the 2019 NRA-ILA Leadership Forum one for the history books.
President Donald J. Trump
Vice President Mike Pence
Governor Eric Holcomb (IN)
Governor Matt Bevin (KY)
U.S. Senator Todd Young (IN)
U.S. Senator Mike Braun (IN)
U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (TX)
U.S. Representative Steve Scalise (LA-1)
NRA President LtCol Oliver North
NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre
NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox
Candace Owens
Kyle Kashuv
full story: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190429/president-trump-and-vice-president-pence-make-history-once-again-at-2019-nra-annual-meeting
Post by: bearpaw on May 21, 2019, 12:16:17 AM
Didn’t Trump also enact the first gun ban in over 20years?? Made a bunch of law abiding citizens felons by banning a piece of plastic. What a gun rights supporter am I right? Remember when Obama enacted a ban on firearms and came to take them away? Oops sorry it’s the NRA backed candidate that did that.The choice they had was to back Hilary or Trump. Trump is the better choice by far.Anyone who doubts the influence the NRA has in supporting the 2nd Amendment, please see the guest list of speakers at the annual convention below!
President Trump and Vice President Pence Make History Once Again at 2019 NRA Annual Meeting
MONDAY, APRIL 29, 2019 President Trump and Vice President Pence Make History Once Again at 2019 NRA Annual Meeting
SUPPORT NRA-ILA
For the second year in a row, a sitting president and vice president both addressed NRA members at the 148th Annual Meetings in Indianapolis on Friday during the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum. This makes the third year in a row that President Trump joined with thousands of NRA members to share his support for our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. His is once again one for the history books. In 2017, he became the first sitting president to attend the Annual Meetings in more than three decades when he addressed the Leadership Forum in Atlanta. The last president to attend the NRA Annual Meetings was Ronald Reagan in 1983.
And just as he did last year, President Trump promised to the cheering, capacity crowd that he will protect the firearms freedom of law-abiding Americans and that recent efforts to restrict the Second Amendment will be staunchly opposed by his administration. Vice President Pence, speaking to many of his fellow Hoosiers, echoed the president’s sentiments, noting to the crowd that both he and President Trump will stand strong against any attempts to undermine our freedom. It is a vital show of support that both the President and Vice President chose to attend the NRA-ILA Forum.
During President Trump’s speech to NRA members, he showed, yet again, just how supportive he is of our rights protected under the Second Amendment. After pointing out that former President Barack Obama had signed the UN Arms Trade Treaty, but that the U.S. Senate had not ratified it, Trump announced that he would officially withdraw the United States from the treaty. The President made clear that he would not abdicate control over the rights of law-abiding gun owners to foreign bureaucrats. He then signed, in front of all in attendance, a formal letter to the Senate requesting that it halt the ratification process and return the treaty to the Oval Office, where President Trump would “dispose” of it. Needless to say, the response from the crowd was overwhelming.
In addition to the President and Vice President, the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum featured speakers from across the country, including elected officials, first responders, veterans, NRA leaders, and freedom-loving Americans from all walks of life. Of significant note, House Minority Whip, Steve Scalise (R-La.), who was seriously wounded by a deranged gunman, stood with and addressed the forum. Please join us in thanking all of the speakers who made the 2019 NRA-ILA Leadership Forum one for the history books.
President Donald J. Trump
Vice President Mike Pence
Governor Eric Holcomb (IN)
Governor Matt Bevin (KY)
U.S. Senator Todd Young (IN)
U.S. Senator Mike Braun (IN)
U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (TX)
U.S. Representative Steve Scalise (LA-1)
NRA President LtCol Oliver North
NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre
NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox
Candace Owens
Kyle Kashuv
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:yeah: One of Hillary's first campaign promises was to enact sweeping gun control. As far as I can tell what Trump did probably wasn't needed and will likely make no difference, but it also has not impacted me or most gun owners.
Post by: bearpaw on May 21, 2019, 12:20:34 AM
It's sad. You can expect any gun control measure to pass by about a 60/40 split, due mostly to the dunderheads in King County, and the rest of the state's apathy.
I cannot fault the NRA for recognizing that and NOT throwing good money after bad. But that also does not excuse their current internal strife. Settle it and move on.
It's their failure to file lawsuits to challenge the new laws. Only way to beat a liberal voter base backed by liberal billionaires that will pass any anti-gun bill that comes along is to challenge the laws(s) in court. The NRA has abandoned Washington state.
UUUmmmm, don't lawsuits cost money? If you don't support the NRA how can you complain about not enough lawsuits when they are having financial difficulty? :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: konradcountry on May 22, 2019, 09:10:32 AM
You are not very specific about what the NRA did to help fight I-1639. I personally went to a meeting that they held at the local Red Lion where they were providing signs, literature, and helping with grassroots organizing to get out the vote against it.Col. Allen West statement.
https://theoldschoolpatriot.com/statement-regarding-nra/
There certainly is a power struggle going on. Like some of the other comments posted at the end of this story, I want to see the specifics before I blindly blame anyone in leadership, show me the specifics and I'll make my own decision who to support. In the meantime I will continue supporting NRA, but I would like to see this power struggle ended, it's not doing the organization any good. Give us verifiable specifics on how LaPierre has misguided the NRA or misused NRA funds?
Here is a specific: 1639.
They threw in some symbolic financial support to the opposition but didn't really fight it. I suspect they are giving up on the west coast as part of a financial strategy.
They don't fight like they used to and seem to be poorly managed.
I would be interested to hear from you what you specifically know about the NRAs efforts on I-1639.
The NRA is fighting for our rights all over the country. What do you expect from them?
Maybe you should join and help out. You can help make it the organization you want it to be.
Well for starters they didn't try fighting it in the public sphere. They could have ran commercials about how it defines 22 rifles as assault rifles. Or how it gives the state unlimited access to your medical records. Instead they just sat on their hands with the expectation it would pass. A lot of moderates were duped by pro-1639 commercials and there wasn't an opposition countering them.
They also haven't fought it on the grounds that it violates the multiple clause rule. That is the biggest weakness.
They have been MIA when it comes to Oregon. They have done nothing to counter the anti-AR15 group there.
I think they are burning money internally and choosing to ignore the West coast as part of a strategy. They already gave up on California and it seems like we are next.
Post by: Platensek-po on May 22, 2019, 10:06:02 AM
Post by: konradcountry on May 23, 2019, 08:44:00 AM
Financial difficulty?? They are a “non-profit” whose president was making a million a year in personal salary. Sounds like a pretty profitable non profit.
Unfortunately this seems to happen to most non-profits when they get big.
They give out ridiculous executive salaries and then do constant appeals to their members for more money. Happens all the time.
Don't give to the Red Cross or the United Way for this reason. They are very top heavy and prioritize "administrative costs" over actually helping people.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 23, 2019, 09:24:42 AM
It is time to get back to it's core missions and cut out the fat.
Post by: Lucky1 on May 23, 2019, 09:33:48 AM
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Washington: Lawsuit Against I-1639 Proceeds After Motion To Dismiss Denied
On May 20th, the United States District Court for the Western District of Washington rejected a motion by the government defendants to dismiss the lawsuit filed by NRA and the SAF against Washington’s gun control ballot initiative, I-1639. The lawsuit may now proceed.
NRA and SAF previously filed the lawsuit in November, 2018. Initiative 1639 classifies ordinary, recreational firearms in common use as “assault” weapons, denies young adults the right to self-protection, and bans the sale of firearms to out-of-state residents. The provision restricting the Second Amendment rights of young adults went into effect on January 1st, 2019. The other provisions are set to take effect on July 1st, 2019.
Post by: Bushcraft on May 23, 2019, 01:07:20 PM
Yea not buying it.
They get plenty of funds from ranges that require membership and if needed those members could pay with checks.
I'm not giving them a dollar and in fact I won't do the NRA round-up when shopping online.
They are basically abandoning West coast states. Their response to 1639 was pitiful. It's actually a Bellevue group that is challenging it in court.
Their current president is terrible at strategy and doesn't get what drives the anti-gun mentality.
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Well for starters they didn't try fighting it in the public sphere. They could have ran commercials about how it defines 22 rifles as assault rifles. Or how it gives the state unlimited access to your medical records. Instead they just sat on their hands with the expectation it would pass. A lot of moderates were duped by pro-1639 commercials and there wasn't an opposition countering them.
*censored*!!!
Sorry, but you are absolutely full of crap.
They are not abandoning the West coast states. The NRA-ILA and the 2nd Amendment Foundation are financially and legally leading the charge in the lawsuit against 1639. And, fortunately, they are doing well.
What pro-2A group do you belong to now? Have you ever been to any of the legislative hearings in Olympia to stand (and/or speak) in opposition to the mountain of bills the flaming *censored* Democrat anti-gunners put forth every year? I'll bet you have never done it. I'll bet you've never carpet bombed any of your legislators with e-mails and telephone calls. The NRA was THE ONLY pro-2A group that showed up and organized legislative hearing panels and lobbying efforts. Let that sink in.
I'm so sick and tired of pathetic losers that do absolutely nothing but bitch and whine about the NRA not doing enough for them.
"They'll never get my $35 dollars for an annual membership!" Really? You can't come up with $35 and maybe donate a $100 every year??? That's only a little over ten bucks a month folks. Good grief.
Get off your lazy, excuse-making butts and do something...and that includes joining and supporting the NRA for starters!
The rest of us that put in the time, money and energy are tired of carrying your water.
Post by: konradcountry on May 26, 2019, 10:16:32 AM
Sorry, but you are absolutely full of crap.
They are not abandoning the West coast states. The NRA-ILA and the 2nd Amendment Foundation are financially and legally leading the charge in the lawsuit against 1639. And, fortunately, they are doing well.
Leading the charge? They are filing a lawsuit against the 18-21 aspect of the 1639 which shows they are too cheap to hire a decent legal analyst. A judge can simply erase that part of the bill which then allows the worst aspects (gun registry, access to medical records, pointless class requirement) to stand. They should have filed on the multiple clause rule to overturn the whole thing.
They are abandoning the west coast states by choosing to only file lawsuits instead of fighting the propaganda from the anti-gun side. Most people who voted for 1639 didn't understand it other than "black scary guns bad" and the NRA only contributed a token amount to the opposition. This is what they have been doing in California. Just assume a bill is going to pass and then file a lawsuit. Well a HUGE problem with this strategy is that a lot of the judges are anti-gun and liberal. It's a losing strategy.
The rest of us that put in the time, money and energy are tired of carrying your water.
Do tell why a Treasurer should be paid nearly 3 million dollars
https://paddockpost.com/2015/12/29/10-key-executives-made-7-7-million-at-the-nra/
Carry my water? You are helping pay for some executive's boat payment. This is supposed to be a NON-PROFIT and those executives are clearly profiting. Those salaries are outrageous. A million dollars spent on anti-1639 commercials would have gone a long way. Oh but go ahead and personally attack me for not supporting the NRA yacht club.
Post by: Twispriver on May 26, 2019, 04:32:35 PM
Post by: JDHasty on May 26, 2019, 10:26:13 PM
There are MUCH better Second Amendment advocates who will not dry shave you every time they are given the chance. The NRA-ILA staffers are as duplicitous as establishment Republicans, if not more so, and can never be trusted.
Many of them move back and forth between the NRA and government and are as sleazy as the worst deep state operators whose shenanigans are coming to light in other areas.
The NRA gets money and support from us for their education and competitive programs. Period. Full stop.
I am also GOA Life and support the Second Amendment Foundation.
Just being a NRA member counts because their numerical size counts when it comes to Second Amendment issues. That is where it ends with them at this time though when it is about the Second Amendment. I wish it were not the case, but wishing doesn't make it not so.
The above having been said: I have absolutely no use for firearms owners who don't contribute. I totally understand having been driven away by the LaPierre phone brigade though. However that is no excuse for freeloading, my inclination is that 9 out of 10 who use that as excuse are simply using it as pretext to sponge off others and are nothing but no loads.
I told the NRA: Never call me again or mail begging if you ever want to see another dime from me. I don't hear from them either.
I contribute to their education and competition programs and to others in support of the Second Amendment.
Post by: idaho guy on May 26, 2019, 11:48:01 PM