Post by: salish on April 27, 2019, 10:01:13 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 27, 2019, 10:08:33 PM
Post by: SuperX on April 27, 2019, 10:39:07 PM
With some exceptions open carry is legal everywhere in Washington, although doing so in Seattle will likely attract "attention".
:yeah:
in today's world, it would be almost accessory before the fact NOT to report someone walking around with a gun on their hip or over their shoulder. Some kid shot up a synagogue today with a long gun :(
Post by: Eric M on April 27, 2019, 11:22:04 PM
Yes being guilty of carrying a gun on your hip is a serious offense. Crazy how the world has changes in a short while. Used to walk around with a 22 shooting squirrels in the neighborhood. Kids took rifles to school to hunt in the evening. Now you're a criminal for carrying one.With some exceptions open carry is legal everywhere in Washington, although doing so in Seattle will likely attract "attention".
:yeah:
in today's world, it would be almost accessory before the fact NOT to report someone walking around with a gun on their hip or over their shoulder. Some kid shot up a synagogue today with a long gun :(
Post by: SuperX on April 28, 2019, 07:49:02 AM
Yes being guilty of carrying a gun on your hip is a serious offense. Crazy how the world has changes in a short while. Used to walk around with a 22 shooting squirrels in the neighborhood. Kids took rifles to school to hunt in the evening. Now you're a criminal for carrying one.With some exceptions open carry is legal everywhere in Washington, although doing so in Seattle will likely attract "attention".
:yeah:
in today's world, it would be almost accessory before the fact NOT to report someone walking around with a gun on their hip or over their shoulder. Some kid shot up a synagogue today with a long gun :(
Not a criminal, but you will be checked on. You never walked around with a 22 shooting squirrels in Seattle. Squirrels are protected in WA. :)
My nickname in HS was Ducks because I would show up to my first class direct from the duck blind and the teacher loved to tease me about it. My duck boat was on top my car in the parking lot, and my gun was in the trunk. Nobody gave a hoot
Post by: salish on April 28, 2019, 08:56:56 AM
Post by: smithkl42 on April 28, 2019, 09:20:27 AM
Not a criminal, but you will be checked on. You never walked around with a 22 shooting squirrels in Seattle. Squirrels are protected in WA. :)
My nickname in HS was Ducks because I would show up to my first class direct from the duck blind and the teacher loved to tease me about it. My duck boat was on top my car in the parking lot, and my gun was in the trunk. Nobody gave a hoot
Sounds like my uncles, back in the 50's. *Of course* they took their guns with them to school, because they were hunting both directions.
Which is a setup for one of my favorite stories about them. One morning they hit a bump on the way to school, and one of their cheap shotguns went off in the car, blowing a hole through the roof. As soon as their ears stopped ringing, they drove the car to their high school shop class, and had it completely repaired (absent the final paint job) before they drove home that afternoon.
Post by: Pegasus on April 28, 2019, 09:44:48 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 28, 2019, 10:01:06 AM
Post by: SuperX on April 28, 2019, 10:14:10 AM
Not a criminal, but you will be checked on. You never walked around with a 22 shooting squirrels in Seattle. Squirrels are protected in WA. :)
My nickname in HS was Ducks because I would show up to my first class direct from the duck blind and the teacher loved to tease me about it. My duck boat was on top my car in the parking lot, and my gun was in the trunk. Nobody gave a hoot
Sounds like my uncles, back in the 50's. *Of course* they took their guns with them to school, because they were hunting both directions.
Which is a setup for one of my favorite stories about them. One morning they hit a bump on the way to school, and one of their cheap shotguns went off in the car, blowing a hole through the roof. As soon as their ears stopped ringing, they drove the car to their high school shop class, and had it completely repaired (absent the final paint job) before they drove home that afternoon.
Love it!
Post by: elkchaser54 on April 29, 2019, 07:55:09 AM
Post by: boneaddict on April 29, 2019, 07:59:20 AM
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Is Seattle an Open Carry city
only if its heroin.....
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 29, 2019, 08:02:58 AM
A concealed weapon is for protection, an open carried gun is someone just trying to show off.
Some people don't have concealed carry and aren't trying to show off
Post by: bobcat on April 29, 2019, 08:10:34 AM
A concealed weapon is for protection, an open carried gun is someone just trying to show off.
Some people don't have concealed carry and aren't trying to show off
:yeah:
Concealed carry is not legal unless you have a concealed pistol permit (CPL) or if you're recreating in the outdoors.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 29, 2019, 08:14:25 AM
There is no town in Washington, east or west, liberal or conservative; that you could walk around with a black gun, AR style open carried and not have the cops called. You would just be asking for unwarranted attention. A concealed weapon is for protection, an open carried gun is someone just trying to show off.
Although I personally don't open carry in public, this statement assumes an awful lot (and is judgey as all get out), especially if you're talking about a sidearm, not a modern sporting rifle. Live and let live. Open or concealed, we're all exercising our 2A rights. Each has his own reasons. :twocents:
Post by: h2ofowlr on April 29, 2019, 08:16:39 AM
Post by: Special T on April 29, 2019, 08:46:14 AM
I heard some discussion a while back lamenting the CC law implemented in AZ where OC was quite common. While tactically a better choice it sheilds the public from guns and the fact that citizens carry them around. This can allow the social pressures to change the course of how the 2A is viewed.
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Post by: 300rum on April 29, 2019, 09:16:16 AM
A couple of years ago I was in Boston and there were three guys dressed up in 3 pointed hats walking down town with muskets (by the holocaust memorial), just strolling around with thousands of people not even caring at all. Think about it, the most liberal state in the country and three grown men playing dress-up with (just as deadly) muskets and no one cares!
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 29, 2019, 10:07:23 AM
I wouldn't open carry in Seattle. Your taking your life in your hands if cops are called. Do you trust that an officer wouldn't shoot you? If you were confronted by officers and they ordered you at gun point to put down your weapon. I bet panic would set in with a few of them. If the barrel swung any where close to their direction, you would be perforated with bullets.
I wouldn't open carry for my aforementioned reason. But, I don't know of a single incident in WA where a non-felonious citizen with open carry has been shot down in an officer-involved shooting. I believe your fears of this happening have zero basis in fact. Seattle police may be under the orders of a bunch of liberal socialist nutballs who show no respect for their badges. But they're still trained officers.
Post by: smithkl42 on April 29, 2019, 10:20:41 AM
I wouldn't open carry for my aforementioned reason. But, I don't know of a single incident in WA where a non-felonious citizen with open carry has been shot down in an officer-involved shooting. I believe your fears of this happening have zero basis in fact. Seattle police may be under the orders of a bunch of liberal socialist nutballs who show no respect for their badges. But they're still trained officers.
You may be right, especially when if you're white. If you're a black man engaging in open carry, however, you're basically just begging the police to shoot you.
Post by: Cougartail on April 29, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
I wouldn't open carry in Seattle. Your taking your life in your hands if cops are called. Do you trust that an officer wouldn't shoot you? If you were confronted by officers and they ordered you at gun point to put down your weapon. I bet panic would set in with a few of them. If the barrel swung any where close to their direction, you would be perforated with bullets.
I wouldn't open carry for my aforementioned reason. But, I don't know of a single incident in WA where a non-felonious citizen with open carry has been shot down in an officer-involved shooting. I believe your fears of this happening have zero basis in fact. Seattle police may be under the orders of a bunch of liberal socialist nutballs who show no respect for their badges. But they're still trained officers.
:yeah:
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 29, 2019, 10:24:20 AM
I wouldn't open carry for my aforementioned reason. But, I don't know of a single incident in WA where a non-felonious citizen with open carry has been shot down in an officer-involved shooting. I believe your fears of this happening have zero basis in fact. Seattle police may be under the orders of a bunch of liberal socialist nutballs who show no respect for their badges. But they're still trained officers.
You may be right, especially when if you're white. If you're a black man engaging in open carry, however, you're basically just begging the police to shoot you.
You're using these idiots as an example of how police are going to shoot us all in the streets? These guys were looking for a response to make themselves famous on YouTube. They're morons, multi-racial morons.
Post by: Cougartail on April 29, 2019, 10:28:09 AM
I am not a proponent of OC because it is tactically unwise.
I heard some discussion a while back lamenting the CC law implemented in AZ where OC was quite common. While tactically a better choice it sheilds the public from guns and the fact that citizens carry them around. This can allow the social pressures to change the course of how the 2A is viewed.
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Nobody thinks twice about open carry in Fairbanks Alaska as it is so common.
Post by: Pegasus on April 29, 2019, 10:34:26 AM
I am not a proponent of OC because it is tactically unwise.
I heard some discussion a while back lamenting the CC law implemented in AZ where OC was quite common. While tactically a better choice it sheilds the public from guns and the fact that citizens carry them around. This can allow the social pressures to change the course of how the 2A is viewed.
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Nobody thinks twice about open carry in Fairbanks Alaska as it is so common.
"Toto, I have the feeling we're not in Alaska anymore." Its called the Emerald City for a reason...
Post by: Jpmiller on April 29, 2019, 11:01:42 AM
I wouldn't open carry for my aforementioned reason. But, I don't know of a single incident in WA where a non-felonious citizen with open carry has been shot down in an officer-involved shooting. I believe your fears of this happening have zero basis in fact. Seattle police may be under the orders of a bunch of liberal socialist nutballs who show no respect for their badges. But they're still trained officers.
You may be right, especially when if you're white. If you're a black man engaging in open carry, however, you're basically just begging the police to shoot you.
You're using these idiots as an example of how police are going to shoot us all in the streets? These guys were looking for a response to make themselves famous on YouTube. They're morons, multi-racial morons.
You mean if I go out looking for an altercation with the police I might get one? What a crazy thought, I hate folks that do this stuff.
Post by: Jpmiller on April 29, 2019, 11:03:09 AM
Post by: smithkl42 on April 29, 2019, 11:07:58 AM
You're using these idiots as an example of how police are going to shoot us all in the streets? These guys were looking for a response to make themselves famous on YouTube. They're morons, multi-racial morons.
Did I *say* that the police were gonna shoot us all in the streets?
That said, you've heard of Philando Castile, right? He was law-abiding, legally carrying, followed every single order the officer gave, and still got murdered for his troubles.
If you're arguing that black folks wouldn't face massively higher risks from open-carrying than white folks ... I guess I wouldn't even know where to begin the debate.
Post by: smithkl42 on April 29, 2019, 11:11:00 AM
You mean if I go out looking for an altercation with the police I might get one? What a crazy thought, I hate folks that do this stuff.
So if a white person is open carrying, it's exercising their second amendment rights. But if a black person is open carrying, it's going out and looking for an altercation with the police.
Got it.
Post by: Jpmiller on April 29, 2019, 11:13:54 AM
You mean if I go out looking for an altercation with the police I might get one? What a crazy thought, I hate folks that do this stuff.
So if a white person is open carrying, it's exercising their second amendment rights. But if a black person is open carrying, it's going out and looking for an altercation with the police.
Got it.
No, the white guys were also looking for trouble. Their part of the video was cut out I'd assume if they kept it going it would have continued like all the other jack wagons on youribe who go out looking for trouble. You don't get your buddies together to go film yourselves walking down the street unless there's a purpose.
Post by: Pegasus on April 29, 2019, 11:18:54 AM
You're using these idiots as an example of how police are going to shoot us all in the streets? These guys were looking for a response to make themselves famous on YouTube. They're morons, multi-racial morons.
Did I *say* that the police were gonna shoot us all in the streets?
That said, you've heard of Philando Castile, right? He was law-abiding, legally carrying, followed every single order the officer gave, and still got murdered for his troubles.
If you're arguing that black folks wouldn't face massively higher risks from open-carrying than white folks ... I guess I wouldn't even know where to begin the debate.
Sadly you are mistaken. Statics showthat you are just plain wrong about your false assumptions.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler
Post by: ghosthunter on April 29, 2019, 11:25:19 AM
Get your questions answered by the folks who have been doing it for years.
Good info from folks who are tuned up on the gun laws.
https://forum.opencarry.org/index.php?forums/washington.131/
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 29, 2019, 11:49:53 AM
You're using these idiots as an example of how police are going to shoot us all in the streets? These guys were looking for a response to make themselves famous on YouTube. They're morons, multi-racial morons.
Did I *say* that the police were gonna shoot us all in the streets?
That said, you've heard of Philando Castile, right? He was law-abiding, legally carrying, followed every single order the officer gave, and still got murdered for his troubles.
If you're arguing that black folks wouldn't face massively higher risks from open-carrying than white folks ... I guess I wouldn't even know where to begin the debate.
Philando Castile was a tragedy. But your "statistics" are way off. White men are killed by police at a much higher rate than men of color, far outpacing racial population statistics. You've begun the debate, as you put it, with misinformation. Not a great start.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 29, 2019, 12:02:23 PM
You mean if I go out looking for an altercation with the police I might get one? What a crazy thought, I hate folks that do this stuff.
So if a white person is open carrying, it's exercising their second amendment rights. But if a black person is open carrying, it's going out and looking for an altercation with the police.
Got it.
You made a statement that if you open carried in Seattle, the Po-Po would likely shoot you down in the streets. I came back with a statement that I don't believe there has been a shooting of a legal carrier in the state of WA. You completely ignored that and went down the Philando Castile route. This discussion is about open carry in Seattle. It's not about the saint, Michael Brown. It's not about Philando Castile. It's not about Only Black Lives Matter. It's about open carry in Seattle and your obvious and glaring bias regarding the police in this state, in that city. I'm calling BS. You want to show me some statistics that back up your claims that open carriers are unsafe from the police here in WA, great. I love being corrected when I'm wrong. Otherwise, you're just full of crap and angry because a bunch of ignorant people told you to be.
Post by: Cougartail on April 29, 2019, 12:10:16 PM
I am not a proponent of OC because it is tactically unwise.
I heard some discussion a while back lamenting the CC law implemented in AZ where OC was quite common. While tactically a better choice it sheilds the public from guns and the fact that citizens carry them around. This can allow the social pressures to change the course of how the 2A is viewed.
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Nobody thinks twice about open carry in Fairbanks Alaska as it is so common.
"Toto, I have the feeling we're not in Alaska anymore." Its called the Emerald City for a reason...
It was to the point that seeing people open carry enhances the public acceptance of firearms by creating a social norm. People who are alarmed at first lose fear with constant exposere with no negative experiences.
If you need any help with reading comprehension or other "difficult" concepts let me know.. :chuckle:
Post by: salish on April 29, 2019, 12:38:34 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 29, 2019, 12:46:16 PM
Post by: Special T on April 29, 2019, 01:14:29 PM
Guys, I certainly didn't intend to cause any grief by bringing this topic up. I had been watching a youtube channel where the host had been trolling police (and others) with open carry and I was just curious if it was still OC here. I appreciate all the responses but please, lets keep it civil.
IMO the biggest problem with MOST OC you tubers is they are trolling. I have only seen a couple that make a point to show all the good contacts they have had with police departments. I wish that OC advocates spent more time passing out informational info to educate the public instead of trolling. :twocents:
Post by: h20hunter on April 29, 2019, 01:22:32 PM
Post by: Special T on April 29, 2019, 01:29:04 PM
Lots of emotions in a topic like this. As Special says most of the crap posted online are trolls looking for that click bait attention. Can't stand that. You have your by golly I'll exercise my right no matter what and you ain't American if you don't , you have the you are an idiot if you do and all in between. Me, I like to blend in, not draw attention, and simply conduct my day to day in a non inflammatory way. In many locales I would simply draw unwanted attention so I choose not to oc.
I am of a similar mind set, BUT there is value in pressing the social limit to keep the Overton window from shifting too much. I just dont see very many doing it properly.
Post by: h20hunter on April 29, 2019, 01:32:53 PM
Post by: idaho guy on April 29, 2019, 01:51:53 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 29, 2019, 01:55:02 PM
Post by: idaho guy on April 29, 2019, 02:04:46 PM
I agree for in ID. You'd have to get an awful large number of people to carry in Seattle for it to be either a deterrent or a snowflake awakening, a snowflakening.
snowflakening :chuckle: :tup: that could catch on
Post by: huntnphool on April 29, 2019, 02:20:10 PM
I wouldn't open carry for my aforementioned reason. But, I don't know of a single incident in WA where a non-felonious citizen with open carry has been shot down in an officer-involved shooting. I believe your fears of this happening have zero basis in fact. Seattle police may be under the orders of a bunch of liberal socialist nutballs who show no respect for their badges. But they're still trained officers.
You may be right, especially when if you're white. If you're a black man engaging in open carry, however, you're basically just begging the police to shoot you.
Not the smartest position/angle to be taking video/pics from. :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 29, 2019, 02:36:23 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 29, 2019, 03:09:41 PM
:chuckle: no kidding.
Darwin Award nominee
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 29, 2019, 03:29:55 PM
:chuckle: no kidding.
Darwin Award nominee
None of the people in that video is contributing to a brain trust.
Post by: Special T on April 29, 2019, 03:46:16 PM
I agree for in ID. You'd have to get an awful large number of people to carry in Seattle for it to be either a deterrent or a snowflake awakening, a snowflakening.
This is why deterring folks from OC IS bad. When people know everyone is packing they are likely to be much more polite because they KNOW many folks are packing... as opposed to Seattle where they think everyone isnt packing... which is obviously not the case, ignorance, bliss and all...
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 29, 2019, 03:49:40 PM
Post by: Special T on April 29, 2019, 03:52:22 PM
I don't want to deter OC. Responsible citizens with OC does, serve a broader goal. Personally, I prefer to walk softly and...
:mgun2:
Post by: dreadi on April 29, 2019, 04:13:38 PM
I wouldn't open carry for my aforementioned reason. But, I don't know of a single incident in WA where a non-felonious citizen with open carry has been shot down in an officer-involved shooting. I believe your fears of this happening have zero basis in fact. Seattle police may be under the orders of a bunch of liberal socialist nutballs who show no respect for their badges. But they're still trained officers.
You may be right, especially when if you're white. If you're a black man engaging in open carry, however, you're basically just begging the police to shoot you.
Are you black? If you are, do you open carry?
Post by: Alchase on April 29, 2019, 05:53:01 PM
Now most times I carry ODB with not much thought to concealment, i usually just throw my tee shirt over it and call it good. If going out or on the road I still like IWB for the advantage of concealment.
I just don’t have to think about it as much as I did in Washington. I am sure that is due to the popularity of open carry and the basic gun friendly mentality here as apposed to the fear mongering of bad guns in Washington.
Post by: BNAElkhntr on April 29, 2019, 06:28:16 PM
Does anyone know the current regulations? How about King County? The state as a whole? Thanks.Cities cannot supersede State Law The State is Open Carry But like others have said expect scrutiny But as a ccw holder
I don't advertise I'm carrying that's what bad guys look for
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 29, 2019, 06:40:44 PM
Was this supposed to be an actual test? Unless I missed something, video should use closer comparisons. First guy I think was in Portland, Oregon and second was somewhere near Las Vegas, Nevada.I wouldn't open carry for my aforementioned reason. But, I don't know of a single incident in WA where a non-felonious citizen with open carry has been shot down in an officer-involved shooting. I believe your fears of this happening have zero basis in fact. Seattle police may be under the orders of a bunch of liberal socialist nutballs who show no respect for their badges. But they're still trained officers.
You may be right, especially when if you're white. If you're a black man engaging in open carry, however, you're basically just begging the police to shoot you.
Post by: bkaech on April 29, 2019, 08:00:47 PM
Post by: Scheindogg on April 29, 2019, 08:42:12 PM
I just noticed someone open carrying his Glock at Fred Meyer here in Puyallup this week. I do see it on occasion, but it is pretty rare in the regular hustle and bustle side of the world.I feel the same way.
I work at a QFC (various ones over the last 9 years) and id say unless it’s a regular who open carries (one qfc I worked had one) I’d say I only see it about once a year. I’m referring to stores I’ve worked at in Bellevue, Issaquah and Redmond
Post by: jmscon on April 29, 2019, 08:53:20 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 30, 2019, 07:01:34 AM
Pianoman, there are no stats on this because 99.999% of black people are smart enough to not open carry. And I don’t mean that in a derogatory way toward other people who open carry.
Open or concealed, I've seen zero evidence that cops in WA are killing law-abiding citizens of color. I'm open to proof that I'm wrong. But blanket statements that open carry people of color are being killed by police in WA are, in lieu of proof to the contrary, inflammatory, unjust, and bigoted.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on April 30, 2019, 07:12:04 AM
I just noticed someone open carrying his Glock at Fred Meyer here in Puyallup this week. I do see it on occasion, but it is pretty rare in the regular hustle and bustle side of the world.
IIRC, Fred Meyer has a no firearms policy. Might depend on location, whether they are willing to enforce. I CC'd in King County, for obvious reasons.
Post by: bkaech on April 30, 2019, 09:08:47 PM
I just noticed someone open carrying his Glock at Fred Meyer here in Puyallup this week. I do see it on occasion, but it is pretty rare in the regular hustle and bustle side of the world.
IIRC, Fred Meyer has a no firearms policy. Might depend on location, whether they are willing to enforce. I CC'd in King County, for obvious reasons.
Not sure what “IIRC” is referring to. On their website Fred Meyer (actually Kroger policy) says they abide by local laws, therefore OC is allowed, however they would prefer if you didn’t, but will not infringe on your right to do so.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on April 30, 2019, 09:21:06 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on April 30, 2019, 09:23:03 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on April 30, 2019, 10:23:08 PM
I mostly carry cc but now and than during hot wether I maybe open.
I have never been bothered by LEO. I think your personality goes along way towards easing peoples minds.
As a store manager I see open carriers almost everyday come in store. One guy wears a hunting knife on one side and a 1911 on the other. No one bats a eye because he is always friendly and polite.
Lots of truck driver sopen carry.
I think Seattle is about as unfriendly as you can get for open carry. They been trying to end 2A rights in public for years.
Post by: Eric M on May 07, 2019, 07:27:58 AM
No I never shot squirrels in Seattle. Haha I was just ranting in general.Yes being guilty of carrying a gun on your hip is a serious offense. Crazy how the world has changes in a short while. Used to walk around with a 22 shooting squirrels in the neighborhood. Kids took rifles to school to hunt in the evening. Now you're a criminal for carrying one.With some exceptions open carry is legal everywhere in Washington, although doing so in Seattle will likely attract "attention".
:yeah:
in today's world, it would be almost accessory before the fact NOT to report someone walking around with a gun on their hip or over their shoulder. Some kid shot up a synagogue today with a long gun :(
Not a criminal, but you will be checked on. You never walked around with a 22 shooting squirrels in Seattle. Squirrels are protected in WA. :)
My nickname in HS was Ducks because I would show up to my first class direct from the duck blind and the teacher loved to tease me about it. My duck boat was on top my car in the parking lot, and my gun was in the trunk. Nobody gave a hoot