Post by: adamR on May 06, 2019, 04:53:18 AM
Post by: Katmai Guy on May 06, 2019, 06:27:42 AM
Post by: Special T on May 06, 2019, 12:28:42 PM
Post by: woodswalker on May 06, 2019, 02:33:29 PM
My Question is how would they know when it was built? You would have to either register it, or have some kind of Proof of Life photo with a newspaper and a date.
This one will be interesting...enforcement will be creative. I sure dont want to be the test case tho. :yike: :yike:
Post by: 81husky on May 06, 2019, 03:14:44 PM
Post by: Bill W on May 06, 2019, 04:49:14 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on May 06, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
Post by: dreadi on May 07, 2019, 12:20:58 AM
Post by: adamR on May 08, 2019, 04:46:52 AM
Unless I'm mistaken, the new law does nothing to prevent you from making your own firearm unless you're prohibited from having firearms. You can't make one with the intent to sell it, but that's already covered under Federal law. You can also put your own serial number on it at your discretion. Doesn't matter what the number is, and might be a good idea if it ever got stolen.
Makes sense but I see it as though prior to July 1, they had no definition for a completed 80% lower, now they will. I'm sure that very soon after that we will see more regulations regarding untracable firearms. My thought was that prior to July 1, I wouldnt be involved, in theory, with future infringement.
Post by: adamR on May 08, 2019, 04:48:58 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 08, 2019, 05:01:01 AM
Post by: SGTDuffman on May 08, 2019, 05:35:19 AM
There used to be a fee that was to be paid to the ATF upon completion of assembly of the parts. I think it's way overlooked among the hobbyists assembling kits.
I believe that fee is only if you plan to sell the completed firearm, and would part of your license application related to being a manufacturer. Likewise with the serial number. As long as it is only ever for personal use, it requires neither. You will never be able to sell it though.
Post by: kselkhunter on May 08, 2019, 07:41:06 AM
Post by: dreadi on May 13, 2019, 03:01:14 AM
Post by: hunter399 on May 13, 2019, 05:44:49 AM
Firearms (non NFA) made for personal use by unlicensed persons are not required to have a serial number or a unique identifier. If you decide to sell it one day, you are not required to have a serial number or unique identifier marked on the firearm.I'm not 100% sure but your not allowed to sell firearms you make at home .
That would make u a firearm manufacturer without proper licenses. :dunno:
When you make it ,it's yours for life.
Now there's no way of knowing that you sold it except the person who buys it.
I wouldn't get caught.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 13, 2019, 07:46:11 AM
Post by: dreadi on June 23, 2019, 09:38:41 PM
Firearms (non NFA) made for personal use by unlicensed persons are not required to have a serial number or a unique identifier. If you decide to sell it one day, you are not required to have a serial number or unique identifier marked on the firearm.I'm not 100% sure but your not allowed to sell firearms you make at home .
That would make u a firearm manufacturer without proper licenses. :dunno:
When you make it ,it's yours for life.
Now there's no way of knowing that you sold it except the person who buys it.
I wouldn't get caught.
I am 100% sure that you are allowed to sell firearms that you make for your personal use. It is illegal for unlicensed persons to make firearms with the intent to sell.
Post by: Special T on June 23, 2019, 10:14:15 PM
When you check out the palmetto Arms build kitsch and the prices, or the different uppers available I'm not sure why you would risk it.
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Post by: Angry Perch on June 24, 2019, 02:09:45 PM
Firearms (non NFA) made for personal use by unlicensed persons are not required to have a serial number or a unique identifier. If you decide to sell it one day, you are not required to have a serial number or unique identifier marked on the firearm.I'm not 100% sure but your not allowed to sell firearms you make at home .
That would make u a firearm manufacturer without proper licenses. :dunno:
When you make it ,it's yours for life.
Now there's no way of knowing that you sold it except the person who buys it.
I wouldn't get caught.
I am 100% sure that you are allowed to sell firearms that you make for your personal use. It is illegal for unlicensed persons to make firearms with the intent to sell.
That sounds like a grey area I'd like to steer clear of.
Post by: konradcountry on June 26, 2019, 08:17:30 PM
Post by: Special T on June 26, 2019, 10:37:11 PM
I wouldn't bother with an 80% unless you never plan on selling it. Even if you stamp it they aren't good for resale value.
i guess my point would be with all the stupid rules make an 80% and keep it. what are you out? $40 and a few hours? the greatest part of AR builds is th emany different calibers you can have/ own with one setup.
suposidly its legal to sell a homemade gun... but for an extra $80 I would keep it my own safe and not tempt fate.
Post by: KFhunter on June 26, 2019, 11:46:20 PM
Additionally, although markings are not required on firearms manufactured for personal use (excluding NFA firearms), owners are recommended to conspicuously place or engrave a serial number and/ or other marks of identification to aid in investigation or recovery by State or local law enforcement officials in the event of a theft or loss of the privately owned firearm.
So there may be a grey area regarding intent when making the gun. If the gun was made for personal use and not for sale, but then later sold...
dangerous waters there. Personally I would never sell a milled out and completed 80% lower. As soon as you sell a homemade gun the government can show intent to sell...cause you just sold it
Post by: hunter399 on June 26, 2019, 11:57:03 PM
Sounds like if you want to sell it,you need to put a serial number and register it first.A grey area I want no part of.
And yes I do own a 80lower milled by me for personal use and looked into some laws before hand.