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Title: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Westside88 on May 09, 2019, 04:51:26 PM
My Lab sure has had a tough 6 months. I thought he was all done this winter when he started falling/collapsing. When I took him to the Vet, she felt it was neurological based (one ear is lower and cocking his head to the side) she talked about seeing a dog neurologist, but at almost 13 it didn’t seem like the right choice. It was decided to switch him from Carprofen to Prednisone. She warned me the switch could be hard on his stomach with a fear of ulcers. Things got pretty ugly for a couple weeks, but he pulled through. It seemed like he was done for and I think he was sending that too. That was in February and he seemed pretty good until a couple weeks ago, even the droopy face seemed better. Now his droop is back and his eyes a little goofy. I’ve got him on the prednisone and CBD oil. My feeling is at his age as long as he’s happy and still wants to play, eats well and is going to the bathroom well then we’ll maintain. I don’t think extraordinary treatments are appropriate (specialists etc) but I want him to have some quality of life. I’m ok with making a tough choice, but don’t want to give up on him too soon. It’s tough to know the right thing to do when they are aging so quickly. Where do you or have you drawn the line? I want to make sure the choices made are right for him not me. Thanks for reading this
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Samloffler on May 09, 2019, 07:03:01 PM
That's never a fun situation. We've got a chessy that is probably 8-10 months away too. With the last lab, he made it obvious. Like, they look bad now, but when its time they let you know. He kept staggering off and curling up to hide and die, basically. That's when we knew.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: h20hunter on May 09, 2019, 07:18:13 PM
I am of course making an assumption here with my next statement. If you are asking it is very likely time. Only you know the pup. I do believe sometimes a bit sooner than you are ok with is possibly what's best for the dog. Tough deal man, very tough.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Wanderer on May 09, 2019, 07:26:11 PM
As H20 said, only you know him.  when he's not happy/playing/eating or struggling with any of them you'll know. 

Very tough decision - have made it a few times and it's never any easier.   there's always a second guessing going on.   
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: brew on May 09, 2019, 07:34:36 PM
in the past 6 months my 11 year old chocolate has gone deaf.  we use hand signals now to give him directions.  we let him out at night and flick the lights on and off for a signal for him to come to the house .  I know the end is near but he is still part of the family .  will keep him around until I feel he's suffering and then I will end it myself here on the homestead.  my last lab lived a little over 10 years until he got cancer and took him to the vet to put him down.  don't think that was doing him justice taking him off the homestead where he wasn't comfortable at the end.   it's a shi**y deal but that's what you sign up for raising dogs.  You know when its time to do what you have to do.  When I go I would rather it be on a piece of ground that i'm familiar with rather than taking me to the doctor
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Buckjunkie on May 09, 2019, 08:01:20 PM
Tears my heart out. I am on my 7th lab and like earlier posts...it never gets any easier.

Make the decision when you know he is suffering more than not. It’s the humane thing to do.

Keep your chin up knowing you did what’s best for him.

Wish they lived as long as we do.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Westside88 on May 09, 2019, 08:34:17 PM
Thank you to those who have replied via post or pm. Yes, it’s one of those cases where you know the reality, but that doesn’t make it easier. We played with a tennis ball tonight and for now he still has joy. He’s able to walk around and sniff things and still likes his treats. When that’s no longer the case I’ll do the right thing for him and be thankful for his time with us. I appreciate your perspectives and advice, I know the people on here care for their buddies like I do
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: blackpowderhunter on May 09, 2019, 08:34:35 PM
as everyone else said.
only you know..being outside of the situation it's easier to say, because if i put myself in your shoes, i can't even imagine.
my neighbor was going through a similar situation last summer..
he waited too long, and after the fact, he admitted that to me with tears in his eyes.. i think he realized he prolonged the situation for himself and not for the dog.
enjoy your time while you can, and just have fun.
remember...a dog is only part of your life, you are your dog's entire life.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: bornhunter on May 09, 2019, 09:23:45 PM
I have always gone by when you are keeping a dog alive for you and not thinking of the dog its gone too long. A dogs unconditional love for its master will include tail wagging even though it is miserable and in pain. It hard to really know when and damn its hard to make that call.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: bornhunter on May 09, 2019, 09:25:05 PM
 :yeah:
as everyone else said.
only you know..being outside of the situation it's easier to say, because if i put myself in your shoes, i can't even imagine.
my neighbor was going through a similar situation last summer..
he waited too long, and after the fact, he admitted that to me with tears in his eyes.. i think he realized he prolonged the situation for himself and not for the dog.
enjoy your time while you can, and just have fun.
remember...a dog is only part of your life, you are your dog's entire life.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: opdinkslayer on May 09, 2019, 09:43:12 PM
Man! Reading this thread made me get down on the floor & give my old boy some love. I fear the day I have to make that decision or lose him. :'(.  I feel for those of you that are facing it now.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: LHaub on May 09, 2019, 09:51:27 PM
My German shorthair pointed is 15 now, he hasn't hunted in a few years, has seizures sometimes and has a huge hernia. He doesn't seem to be in pain, he eats on a normal schedule and still likes to go out for walks in the woods, I've thought it was time to put him down for a couple years now and being a hunting /family dog it is so hard to make that decision.  I feel he will give me a sign when he is ready even though I'm not ready. I feel for you, it's a really hard decision to make. But I think you and your dog will both know when its time.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: BD1 on May 09, 2019, 11:17:36 PM
I have reread this post many times. I thought of all the "advice" I thought would be useful after my past experiences. I just want to say how sorry I am that you are faced with this. Really the only real pain in owning a dog and family member. I am with H2O. When you are asking it is probably past "The time" but with that said you are talking about family. You will do right by your pup...I am sure you always have. They are never replaceable but they fill your life with memories that you will have forever. All the best to you...enjoy every second. You will do what is right when it is right
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: SGTDuffman on May 10, 2019, 05:23:55 AM
A horribly tough call to make. When you do have to make that call you’ll have to decide if you’re going to take care of it or have the vet do it. A link to this popped up a couple months back, under similar circumstances, so I thought I’d post it again for people to use as a reference. It’s not something anyone wants to do, but sometimes it’s what you have to do. If it is something you do, and haven’t done before, it’s nice to at least know the right way to do it. In any case, I’m sure you’ll do right by your little buddy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1481111/
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2019, 05:39:26 AM
Someone once told me:

"Their last day does not need to be their worst day"

That guidance has helped me make the call in the past.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on May 10, 2019, 06:13:36 AM
Based on your description, it sounds close but IMO you reading your guy spot on. Physical ailments are just part of the process of getting old. Not fun for him but likely not painful, and he still wants to be home and with you.  My triggers are A) Bathroom. If accidents are happening in home, or kennel. It's time. That was likely one of the first things they learned would please you and keeping dignity intact is our job. B) The spark . Sometimes it's just gone. And when it does it's time. I can't define the symptoms, but it has always been unmistakable to me. 
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: bornhunter on May 10, 2019, 07:34:06 AM
 :yeah:
Man! Reading this thread made me get down on the floor & give my old boy some love. I fear the day I have to make that decision or lose him. :'(.  I feel for those of you that are facing it now.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: h2ofowlr on May 10, 2019, 08:17:34 AM
I didn't know when or what I should expect before putting my lab down.  Mine was 12 years old. and had lost a ton of weight, but would still come over with his tail wagging to greet me.  His day came when my girls were outside playing with him and he just fell over and couldn't move again.  His eye's were still open, but completely unresponsive.  That was the day that we had to put him down.  He was a great dog and a hard situation for the family.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: stlusn30-06 on May 10, 2019, 09:46:04 AM
This is the toughest choice in life for me. I read a book once that had what I thought was a solid breakdown of what to ask myself before making that choice, or letting my dogs go on their own time. It is by no means definitive, but I found myself thinking I'll be asking myself these next time around.

Is the condition prolonged, recurring, or getting worse?
Is the condition no longer responding to therapy?
Is your dog in pain or otherwise physically suffering?
Is it no longer possible to alleviate that pain or suffering?
If your dog should recover, is he/she likely to be chronically ill, an invalid, or unable to care for himself as a healthy pet?
If your dog recovers, is he/she likely no longer to be able to enjoy life, or will he/she have severe personality changes?

If the answer is “yes” to ALL questions than your consider euthanasia as the best option for your pet. If the answer is “no” to three or four of the questions than you can consider for your pet’s life to end naturally. However, one must answer three more questions:

Can you provide the necessary care?
Will such care so interfere with your own life as to create serious problems with you or your family?
Will the cost involved become unbearably expensive?
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 10, 2019, 02:36:04 PM
Someone once told me:

"Their last day does not need to be their worst day"

That guidance has helped me make the call in the past.
"My feeling is at his age as long as he’s happy and still wants to play, eats well and is going to the bathroom well then we’ll maintain."

We are in this mode with both of our dogs.  The male is 12, and has an aggressive fast-growing abdominal tumor that makes him look pregnant, likely hemangiosarcoma.  He still wants to eat, go for walks and be petted.  The female is 14 and generally healthy, but mostly blind, mostly deaf, and has weak hips.  So far the only concessions we have to make are picking them up and down and carrying up and down stairs, and the female prefers to be let in and out and is very reluctant to use the dog door (but does when we aren't home, either that or she holds it, no accidents in the house).  Right now they enjoy life, when that changes for each one we will euthanize them, cry, and remember the many good years we had with them.  It never gets easier.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Westside88 on May 17, 2019, 05:33:44 PM
Well today was the day, it came too soon, but I’m at peace with the decision. I think the advice the the last day doesn’t have to be the worst is true. I’m sitting by the river thinking of the good times and know it was the right thing. I appreciate the kind words I received here. RIP Sam, you were a good dog
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 17, 2019, 05:39:34 PM
Sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Skillet on May 17, 2019, 05:42:35 PM
My condolences.

RIP Sam.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Westside88 on May 17, 2019, 06:26:43 PM
Thanks guys
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: huntnfmly on May 17, 2019, 06:37:08 PM
I'm very sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: opdinkslayer on May 17, 2019, 08:10:13 PM
Hardest thing in the world! Sorry for your loss man!😢
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: jackelope on May 17, 2019, 08:19:16 PM
Very sorry for your loss. I also had a lab named Sam when I was a kid. Tough day. Very sorry again.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: hunthard on May 17, 2019, 08:31:41 PM
Sad times, I had to put my lab down 10 months ago and it still hurts, it will get better though, remember the good times.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 17, 2019, 08:39:22 PM
I have no doubt Sam had a great life for his years on earth, and, you and your family are responsible for that. Sams gonna have a blast chasing every kind of critter and barking his heart out in his new life, up there in pup heaven. He’s thinking of you as much as you are of him, well in between chasing and barking   ;).
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: bornhunter on May 17, 2019, 09:26:08 PM
Wow. Brings it all back when I had to put my two labs down 3 months apart. Still hurts and miss them like it was yesterday. Sorry for your loss. He was a good lookin boy.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: dewandgin on May 17, 2019, 09:36:06 PM
RIP Sam. I have had to do it to many times. It sucks.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on May 17, 2019, 10:06:58 PM
RIP Sam. Condolences.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: TVHunts on May 18, 2019, 04:39:40 AM
My Condolences...RIP Sam
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Rob on May 28, 2019, 03:23:17 PM
Always a tough call. 

Glad you had the time with him and I am sure he is as well.

Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: 2MANY on May 28, 2019, 03:26:16 PM
We have all been there.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: gaddy on May 28, 2019, 04:07:46 PM
A few times for me over the years, never gets easy. The memories will last your life time though. I still remember my first lab as a kid, and every one after. Love them all and remember each one when I watched the new pups that came into my life. Sorry for your loss, Look forward to the next chapter, you will see Sam again, in one way or another.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: KFhunter on May 28, 2019, 04:40:55 PM
If you find yourself asking the internet if it's time, it probably is.

dunno why we do it, but then puppy!
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Zardoz on May 28, 2019, 06:11:30 PM
Darn,.....this really tears me up because I'm not looking forward to losing my two great buddies... :bash:
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Westside88 on May 28, 2019, 06:50:38 PM
If you find yourself asking the internet if it's time, it probably is.

dunno why we do it, but then puppy!

A lot of truth to this. I think when I initially asked the question I was picking up on the subtle signs that he was declining quickly. I really believed that he would make it through summer decently, but I must’ve been picking up subconsciously that my buddy of almost 13 years was nearing the end. We’ll be getting a puppy when the time is right, but not ready quite yet
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 28, 2019, 07:13:34 PM
Ty for sharing
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: KFhunter on May 28, 2019, 07:51:00 PM
If you find yourself asking the internet if it's time, it probably is.

dunno why we do it, but then puppy!

A lot of truth to this. I think when I initially asked the question I was picking up on the subtle signs that he was declining quickly. I really believed that he would make it through summer decently, but I must’ve been picking up subconsciously that my buddy of almost 13 years was nearing the end. We’ll be getting a puppy when the time is right, but not ready quite yet

I lost a dog too young (cancer or something like it) and went and got a replacement puppy, it looked just like her!  but wasn't....I lacked the motivation to train her properly, too soon to do it all over again having spent so much time and energy with the last dog.  So don't recommend you get one that looks just. like. Sam..... get a different color if staying with labs, maybe get a female, but give it time. 


What I do now is stagger the dogs getting a pup every 5-6 years, after all two dogs is always better than one.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: AL WORRELLS KID on May 30, 2019, 10:24:48 AM
The Power of the Dog by Rudyard Kipling

There is sorrow enough in the natural way
From men and women to fill our day;
And when we are certain of sorrow in store,
Why do we always arrange for more?
Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.


Buy a pup and your money will buy
Love unflinching that cannot lie
Perfect passion and worship fed
By a kick in the ribs or a pat on the head.
Nevertheless it is hardly fair
To risk your heart for a dog to tear.

When the fourteen years which Nature permits
Are closing in asthma, or tumor, or fits,
And the vet’s unspoken prescription runs
To lethal chambers or loaded guns,
Then you will find – it’s your own affair, –
But … you’ve given your heart to a dog to tear.

When the body that lived at your single will,
With its whimper of welcome, is stilled (how still!),
When the spirit that answered your every mood
Is gone – wherever it goes – for good,
You will discover how much you care,
And will give your heart to a dog to tear!

We’ve sorrow enough in the natural way,
When it comes to burying Christian clay.
Our loves are not given, but only lent,
At compound interest of cent per cent,
Though it is not always the case, I believe,
That the longer we’ve kept ’em, the more do we grieve;
For, when debts are payable, right or wrong,
A short-time loan is as bad as a long –
So why in – Heaven (before we are there)
Should we give our hearts to a dog to tear?

(Over the ages, it hasn't gotten any easier.)
 Doug
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: AL WORRELLS KID on May 30, 2019, 10:36:53 AM
Well, the Lord has a dog now, I just sent Him mine,
The old pal so dear to me.
And I smile through my tears on this first day alone,
Knowing they’re in eternity.
Day after day, the whole day through,
Wherever my road inclined,
Four feet said, “Wait, I’m coming with you!”
And trotted along behind.
.....................................Rudyard Kipling
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: HillHound on May 30, 2019, 12:10:24 PM
I am sorry to hear that. At least he is in a better place than it sounds like he has been for a while. No more suffering. No you can reminisce on the memories of him when he was in his prime
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: boneaddict on May 30, 2019, 12:21:01 PM
THis thread should come with a warning sign.   Oh my goodness.   
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: KFhunter on May 30, 2019, 12:33:39 PM
THis thread should come with a warning sign.   Oh my goodness.


 :yeah:


I scroll really fast past the poems and writings like: "The Power of the Dog by Rudyard Kipling" that people post so I don't accidently read it.

Then I'd need to go visit that TRT thread  :'(
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 30, 2019, 02:04:27 PM
What a difficult time and decision for you, but I'm sure you'll know the right time. :sry:
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: Westside88 on May 30, 2019, 02:08:25 PM
What a difficult time and decision for you, but I'm sure you'll know the right time. :sry:
We had to take our last ride a week and a half ago. Tough call, but no doubt it was the right call. I’ll miss him, but lucky to have a good one that long
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 31, 2019, 07:27:57 AM
I'm sorry you lost your friend.
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: bassquatch on May 31, 2019, 07:31:53 PM
Still struggling with the loss of my Russells back in January, doesn't seem real after 15 years together.  It's been one thing after another since, so the grieving process has drug out, but the hole they left is truly huge!

I am deeply sorry for your loss, it's gut wrenching.  I am just now starting to get the tug at my heartstrings whenever I see puppies.  I imagine I will own another dog at some point but man is it rough!  I feel for you and your family.

Hang in there  :tup:
Title: Re: Old Lab struggling/ how to know when it’s time
Post by: JWEBB on May 31, 2019, 10:38:07 PM
So sorry to hear of your loss! We lost our corgi this spring. She was only 8 and got run over by a car. It gets easier as the days pass but I’m gonna be honest, you will never forget! You will cope with it better eventually but you’ll have some rough moments. Dogs aren’t even close to humans, but they can become a huge part of your life. Change is tough but you’ll keep going. In my case we have another dog which helps us get through it. Not trying to tell you what to do but it might help to get a new dog. Again, you won’t ever forget but may make it easier. Just my thought
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