Post by: huntndad on May 13, 2019, 09:27:06 PM
My daughter is writing a paper on the reintroduction of wolves for a college (running start) class. She has found a ton of information from the pro-wolf side, but not much that shows the negative side of this debate. It's getting very frustrating for me because I'm trying to let her see the light on her own. Unfortunately, the pro-wolf side dominates everything she reads, and she still just sees wolves as cute little puppies. I need to find more data or research showing the negative impact of wolves. We've gained a lot from reading the information on this site and the links provided. Can anyone point us to any specific studies, or links, or papers, or books that would help her? Thanks.
Post by: Tbar on May 13, 2019, 09:35:26 PM
Post by: mfswallace on May 13, 2019, 09:45:55 PM
https://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/Dr%20Geist/When%20ignorance%20is%20bliss.html
https://www.tsln.com/news/wyoming-elk-and-moose-population-in-decline-hunting-wolves-identified-as-causes/
http://davemech.org/
http://www.therealwolf.com/about
http://wolfeducationinternational.com/
https://landandwaterusa.com/JimBeers/2015-JBeers/8-24How-Bureaucrats-Anarchists-and-Communists-Use-Wolves-To-Establish-Tyranny.htm
Anything from Valerius Geist or Jim Beers
Post by: Wazntme on May 14, 2019, 03:40:28 AM
Post by: bearpaw on May 14, 2019, 04:34:03 AM
Hi,
My daughter is writing a paper on the reintroduction of wolves for a college (running start) class. She has found a ton of information from the pro-wolf side, but not much that shows the negative side of this debate. It's getting very frustrating for me because I'm trying to let her see the light on her own. Unfortunately, the pro-wolf side dominates everything she reads, and she still just sees wolves as cute little puppies. I need to find more data or research showing the negative impact of wolves. We've gained a lot from reading the information on this site and the links provided. Can anyone point us to any specific studies, or links, or papers, or books that would help her? Thanks.
This page is a compilation of news stories and information showing impacts of wolves. Sorry, I haven't updated it for several years so nothing is recent, and some links no longer work, but there is a ton of info. I'll probably take it offline in a couple more years but it's still online for now.
http://graywolfnews.com/
Post by: nwwanderer on May 14, 2019, 05:51:58 AM
Post by: huntndad on May 14, 2019, 07:36:23 AM
Yellowstone?Her paper is about wolf reintroduction in general, but will focus mostly on Yellowstone. Would love for her to write specifically about Washington, but information is limited.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 14, 2019, 09:17:59 AM
https://www.giftcorral.com/products/the-real-wolf-by-ted-b-lyon-will-n-graves?variant=782786396180&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyp-K07Wb4gIVVB-tBh0JwgDJEAQYAiABEgKFYfD_BwE
Post by: Huntin Hounds on May 14, 2019, 03:03:38 PM
Post by: Yelper Guy on May 14, 2019, 03:09:36 PM
Some interesting reports to look at.
Post by: idaho guy on May 14, 2019, 03:10:28 PM
Yellowstone?
Also in Idaho the frank church ,salmon, selway wilderness areas. Have her do her own research not by reading opinions (which will usually somehow blame habitat) but just looking at when and where wolves were introduced and the elk population in the next ten years. The light bulb should come on quickly. Clearwater of Idaho also
Post by: idahohuntr on May 14, 2019, 07:39:10 PM
Be careful reading too much into pro and anti wolf sites. There tends to be a lot of fluff both ways that is just not true.:yeah:
The passion and emotion around wolves provides an immense amount of ignorant and baseless internet garbage. Your best resources will be peer reviewed scientific reports and analyses.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 14, 2019, 07:47:30 PM
Post by: nwwanderer on May 14, 2019, 08:09:23 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on May 14, 2019, 08:14:43 PM
What is her intended major or what class is this for? The reason I am asking is if science related one of the first things they tend to teach is how to do a scientific literature search. If English or other they tend to let them use whatever they find.
Here are a couple of sources for literature. May have to search through a lot or try different search terms.
https://bioone.org/search?term=wolves (https://bioone.org/search?term=wolves)
https://www.plos.org/search?q=wolves (https://www.plos.org/search?q=wolves)
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ (https://journals.plos.org/plosone/)
There are a couple of papers out of Montana that discuss changes in herds. Some were not wolves, some where. Also one that discusses the "Hit them Fast, Hit them Hard" approach to dealing with conflict. Trying to find.
As Tbar suggested there is some good info from Yellowstone. Important to consider that this is ongoing. Know one knows what will happen over the long term. There is a bit of irony in the what they learned about lack of beavers.
Post by: dreamunelk on May 14, 2019, 08:27:33 PM
Be careful reading too much into pro and anti wolf sites. There tends to be a lot of fluff both ways that is just not true.:yeah:
The passion and emotion around wolves provides an immense amount of ignorant and baseless internet garbage. Your best resources will be peer reviewed scientific reports and analyses.
:yeah: :yeah:
Depending on the class she could end up with a bad grade using the wrong sources. I can remember a professor going into a tirade over students using bad sources. It was funny. Most were the save the planet types who thought they new the answers. A couple were ones who used sources such as some mentioned on here. Several students dropped the class after that. I know of several who didn't finish college.
I do want to say congrats. I think the running start program is great. Been very impressed with some of the kids that make it through. I know of one young lady who just got her Phd who stated that if it was not for running start she would have been on drugs and pregnant before she graduated high school. She had to fight with her parents to attend and paid her own way through many years of college.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 14, 2019, 08:30:27 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on May 15, 2019, 12:44:46 AM
Be careful reading too much into pro and anti wolf sites. There tends to be a lot of fluff both ways that is just not true.:yeah:
The passion and emotion around wolves provides an immense amount of ignorant and baseless internet garbage. Your best resources will be peer reviewed scientific reports and analyses.
:yeah: :yeah:
Depending on the class she could end up with a bad grade using the wrong sources. I can remember a professor going into a tirade over students using bad sources. It was funny. Most were the save the planet types who thought they new the answers. A couple were ones who used sources such as some mentioned on here. Several students dropped the class after that. I know of several who didn't finish college.
I do want to say congrats. I think the running start program is great. Been very impressed with some of the kids that make it through. I know of one young lady who just got her Phd who stated that if it was not for running start she would have been on drugs and pregnant before she graduated high school. She had to fight with her parents to attend and paid her own way through many years of college.
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Post by: huntndad on May 15, 2019, 06:46:30 AM
We'll spend our weekend looking into all the recourses you all suggested. Thanks.
Post by: dreamunelk on May 15, 2019, 07:02:13 AM
Have her check and see if the college has an institution subscription to the Journal of Wildlife Management. Be prepared. There is a lot of reading to do.
Don't just limit research to wolves.
Post by: bearpaw on May 16, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Rappaport_Clark
Pittman Robertson funds were illegally used for wolf introduction rather than being given back to states as it's earmarked.
Another good example is the Washington wolf plan, they ignored taking care of the caribou which are now extinct in large part due to lack of managing wolves. They also ignored known impacts on ungulates in other states when developing the plan. Yes, I've read every page of it in the past.