Post by: Humptulips on May 25, 2019, 04:30:08 PM
Post by: Tbar on May 25, 2019, 04:47:22 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on May 25, 2019, 04:47:33 PM
Wow. Good on Idaho.
I'm not sure, but I think ours all went to the wolf/mediation expert.
Post by: JBar on May 25, 2019, 07:05:15 PM
Post by: bigdub257 on May 25, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
Post by: bornhunter on May 25, 2019, 09:50:03 PM
Post by: Humptulips on May 26, 2019, 01:36:09 AM
Could it happen here?:lol4:
Post by: Alan K on May 26, 2019, 08:13:06 AM
I could see it opening up some walk in access here in Washington, but not motorized. Too much garbage dumping and vandalism by the minority. That or the charge would have to be much greater per acre to offset the added cleanup/risk.
When we're over there for whitetails it always amazes me how little garbage there is. Virtually none. Idaho's litter signs read 'Idaho is too great to litter'. Washingtons are a threat of fines. Idaho just has better quality people over there than we have here.
Post by: fireweed on May 26, 2019, 09:10:34 AM
Another item to convince big timber to take a similar amount of money, is the fact that their "permit required for all entry" signs on gates are a huge bluff. I have discovered that nearly all older mainline logging roads (in SW Wa) that somewhere hit state land have state easements on them. They really can't stop people from using those roads to get to state land anyway. These old easements say nothing about "administrative use only" or "forestry use only". They are simply easements for ingress/egress to state land. Take the control of these roads and the public land they access away, and big timber has less monopoly power, and their price for access goes down.
Post by: CLARKTAR on May 26, 2019, 08:10:40 PM
$1 acre is top dollar, even for Washington. The obvious stick (and leverage to get a similar deal) with big timber is that these companies are already being subsidized with tax breaks for providing public benefits. If someone really pushed on that tax break angle, walk-in should already be free. But nobody in the legislature seems to have the guts to challenge the tax break...so a few million dollars per year investment coupled with opening up select roads could work well.Where can you find these recorded easements?
Another item to convince big timber to take a similar amount of money, is the fact that their "permit required for all entry" signs on gates are a huge bluff. I have discovered that nearly all older mainline logging roads (in SW Wa) that somewhere hit state land have state easements on them. They really can't stop people from using those roads to get to state land anyway. These old easements say nothing about "administrative use only" or "forestry use only". They are simply easements for ingress/egress to state land. Take the control of these roads and the public land they access away, and big timber has less monopoly power, and their price for access goes down.
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Post by: idaho guy on May 26, 2019, 11:55:36 PM
Post by: fireweed on May 28, 2019, 08:55:16 AM
Where can you find these recorded easements?
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This link from a previous discussion has specifics on how to search for these easements.
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,232655.msg3141240.html#msg3141240
Post by: Whitpirate on May 28, 2019, 10:01:38 AM
Right on!
I could see it opening up some walk in access here in Washington, but not motorized. Too much garbage dumping and vandalism by the minority. That or the charge would have to be much greater per acre to offset the added cleanup/risk.
When we're over there for whitetails it always amazes me how little garbage there is. Virtually none. Idaho's litter signs read 'Idaho is too great to litter'. Washingtons are a threat of fines. Idaho just has better quality people over there than we have here.
Idaho has a huge commitment to trash dumpsters available for the public all over the place.... and they tip them. Saves on the clean-up and tip fee anyway. I wish Washington would give in and just make dumpsters available and then really crack down on slobs that litter the public spaces.
Post by: bearpaw on May 28, 2019, 10:54:48 AM
Post by: KFhunter on May 28, 2019, 11:02:52 AM
As for WA timber lands I agree with carrot and stick method, threaten tax codes and incentivise public access! Whatever it takes to Break the Gates! on cooperate timber grounds!
We need to reach out to other access groups too, REI types would go for that?
Post by: JeffRaines on May 28, 2019, 11:44:12 AM
Right on!
I could see it opening up some walk in access here in Washington, but not motorized. Too much garbage dumping and vandalism by the minority. That or the charge would have to be much greater per acre to offset the added cleanup/risk.
When we're over there for whitetails it always amazes me how little garbage there is. Virtually none. Idaho's litter signs read 'Idaho is too great to litter'. Washingtons are a threat of fines. Idaho just has better quality people over there than we have here.
Idaho has a huge commitment to trash dumpsters available for the public all over the place.... and they tip them. Saves on the clean-up and tip fee anyway. I wish Washington would give in and just make dumpsters available and then really crack down on slobs that litter the public spaces.
Washington could do that, but then what would they use to fund safe injection sites?