Post by: steeleywhopper on June 13, 2019, 10:55:45 PM
Post by: elkrack on June 13, 2019, 11:15:14 PM
It’s kinda a crap shoot when applying especially with how department cut the elk tags way down
Post by: elkchaser54 on June 14, 2019, 12:16:17 AM
Sincerely every "not selected" elk hunter
Jealousy is a deadly sin for a reason . Ugh I'm just sad and mad.
Post by: steeleywhopper on June 14, 2019, 12:38:06 AM
Complaining in the form of a brag ????
Sincerely every "not selected" elk hunter
Jealousy is a deadly sin for a reason . Ugh I'm just sad and mad.
I thought that’s a bitter sweet way to burn a bunch of points in each category.
Post by: X-Force on June 14, 2019, 05:01:19 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on June 14, 2019, 06:02:47 AM
Post by: steeleywhopper on June 14, 2019, 06:56:26 AM
On the upside, in theory it improves everyone else's odds by taking those points out of the pool. If it happens a lot over the next 50 years or so I'll be "in like Flynn" :chuckle:
No kidding!
Post by: Alan K on June 14, 2019, 07:01:22 AM
The good news is he has two great options to take a dandy bull.
Post by: baker5150 on June 14, 2019, 07:08:55 AM
They really need a second draw for permits that won't be used.
OR
Let the guy who drew 2 permits harvest 2 animals.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 14, 2019, 07:16:45 AM
Sucks that one of the tags will go un-used. With how few they allotted it just makes the issue worse.definitely dont agree with taking two animals but I do agree tags need to be reissued. Have a return deadline and then reissue to an alternate. :twocents:
They really need a second draw for tags that won't be used.
OR
Let the guy who drew 2 tags harvest 2 animals.
Post by: nwhunter on June 14, 2019, 07:24:54 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 14, 2019, 07:25:43 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 14, 2019, 07:28:46 AM
Sucks that one of the tags will go un-used. With how few they allotted it just makes the issue worse.If he had tags I'd agree, but permits I don't. He knew ahead of time what risk he was putting the tag in for.
They really need a second draw for tags that won't be used.
OR
Let the guy who drew 2 tags harvest 2 animals.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on June 14, 2019, 07:39:09 AM
What they need to do is only have one category- BULL ELK.
:yeah: :tup: AMEN
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 14, 2019, 07:45:09 AM
agreed! Good luck selling that in though :chuckle: :bash:What they need to do is only have one category- BULL ELK.
:yeah: :tup: AMEN
Post by: huntnnw on June 14, 2019, 07:49:09 AM
I also drew both deer categories
Post by: X-Force on June 14, 2019, 07:49:26 AM
What they need to do is only have one category-BULLELK.
This!
Post by: Bullkllr on June 14, 2019, 07:52:14 AM
This drives me nuts! I’ve written wdfw several times about this what a joke that they cant or won’t fix this! The bull category is a joke! They have made it harder to draw a bull tag over a quality tag! Example is grande ronde is a bull tag they give out 1 in each category if I remember right there are a couple hundred apps for 1 tag! This is a quality hunt with very large bulls in unit. Access is the issue and should be asterisked in regs when applying .
I also drew both deer categories
Gotta keep selling those apps!!
Post by: X-Force on June 14, 2019, 07:53:33 AM
Post by: steeleywhopper on June 14, 2019, 07:56:06 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 14, 2019, 07:57:30 AM
What they need to do is only have one category-BULLELK.
This!
I agree but I don't want to ask for too much. That would be back to the old system, which was perfectly fine the way it was.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 14, 2019, 07:57:40 AM
This drives me nuts! I’ve written wdfw several times about this what a joke that they cant or won’t fix this! The bull category is a joke! They have made it harder to draw a bull tag over a quality tag! Example is grande ronde is a bull tag they give out 1 in each category if I remember right there are a couple hundred apps for 1 tag! This is a quality hunt with very large bulls in unit. Access is the issue and should be asterisked in regs when applying .Yeah, there's some permits like that on the westside. The quality bull permits for the area are in a general season gmu after archery and as muzzy is setting up. The nearby bull permit is for gmus that don't have general seasons, just by permit only, but occurs during the general season dates. To many it seems the bull is more quality than the quality bull.
I also drew both deer categories
Post by: X-Force on June 14, 2019, 07:58:24 AM
I 100% agree with the one category“Bull”. I did draw a Quality Nooksack permit this year and an Antlerless permit. It sucks that I can’t decline the Antlerless permit so someone else can use it. I know for a fact I won’t even step foot in that unit due to drawing the Nooksack any Bull.
Congrats on Nooksack. You’re in for an epic fall
Post by: baker5150 on June 14, 2019, 07:59:13 AM
Sucks that one of the permits will go un-used. With how few they allotted it just makes the issue worse.If he had tags I'd agree, but permits I don't. He knew ahead of time what risk he was putting the tag in for.
They really need a second draw for permits that won't be used.
OR
Let the guy who drew 2 tags harvest 2 animals.
The issue isn't this fella taking the risk, it's the Permit that will go un-used, and not be issued to another applicant, who would use it. Hence the second draw.
Post by: outdooraddict on June 14, 2019, 08:01:29 AM
I 100% agree with the one category“Bull”. I did draw a Quality Nooksack permit this year and an Antlerless permit. It sucks that I can’t decline the Antlerless permit so someone else can use it. I know for a fact I won’t even step foot in that unit due to drawing the Nooksack any Bull.
im no genious at math, however i do believe it is really simple multiplication to see that the entire draw system is purely for revenue, why not make a elk catagory and a deer catagory, if you want an antlerless tag, then make that your choice, this would change the draw odds big time. but simple math at say 1000 applciations in a buck category for only 50 tags (or wahtever scenerio you want to make) times the $7.50 app fee equals $7500, this is just for one example, now each species has multiple categories and this money adds up in a hurry. total joke and financially driven. quality tags you are only given 2 options and at a steeper application price too.
Post by: baker5150 on June 14, 2019, 08:03:30 AM
What they need to do is only have one category- BULL ELK.
How would this work for Rifle guys who want to hunt the rut on a quality tag?
There is still the issue of drawing both a Bull and Antlerless in the same season. Any Elk maybe? :dunno:
Post by: outdooraddict on June 14, 2019, 08:05:56 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 14, 2019, 08:07:42 AM
What they need to do is only have one category- BULL ELK.
How would this work for Rifle guys who want to hunt the rut on a quality tag?
There is still the issue of drawing both a Bull and Antlerless in the same season. Any Elk maybe? :dunno:
What I was saying is all special permits for bull elk would be in just one category. Instead of being split up into two.
Post by: baker5150 on June 14, 2019, 08:12:04 AM
What they need to do is only have one category- BULL ELK.
How would this work for Rifle guys who want to hunt the rut on a quality tag?
There is still the issue of drawing both a Bull and Antlerless in the same season. Any Elk maybe? :dunno:
What I was saying is all special permits for bull elk would be in just one category. Instead of being split up into two.
Got it, makes good sense.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 14, 2019, 08:13:01 AM
Unless the dates are concurrent or tags out during the first, then it doesn't have to go unused. I think quality permits are around 50% successful. So he can hunt the second if the first is bust.Sucks that one of the permits will go un-used. With how few they allotted it just makes the issue worse.If he had tags I'd agree, but permits I don't. He knew ahead of time what risk he was putting the tag in for.
They really need a second draw for permits that won't be used.
OR
Let the guy who drew 2 tags harvest 2 animals.
The issue isn't this fella taking the risk, it's the Permit that will go un-used, and not be issued to another applicant, who would use it. Hence the second draw.
Post by: baker5150 on June 14, 2019, 08:13:05 AM
Sucks that one of the tags will go un-used. With how few they allotted it just makes the issue worse.definitely dont agree with taking two animals but I do agree tags need to be reissued. Have a return deadline and then reissue to an alternate. :twocents:
They really need a second draw for tags that won't be used.
OR
Let the guy who drew 2 tags harvest 2 animals.
Why not 2 animals?
Post by: baker5150 on June 14, 2019, 08:19:11 AM
Unless the dates are concurrent or tags out during the first, then it doesn't have to go unused. I think quality permits are around 50% successful. So he can hunt the second if the first is bust.Sucks that one of the permits will go un-used. With how few they allotted it just makes the issue worse.If he had tags I'd agree, but permits I don't. He knew ahead of time what risk he was putting the tag in for.
They really need a second draw for permits that won't be used.
OR
Let the guy who drew 2 tags harvest 2 animals.
The issue isn't this fella taking the risk, it's the Permit that will go un-used, and not be issued to another applicant, who would use it. Hence the second draw.
Right, so a 50% chance it will go unused as well.
I don't think this is a serious issue, but with the draw odds being such a massive point of contention, this seams to be a way to help add some opportunity.
Post by: Buzz2401 on June 14, 2019, 09:01:46 AM
Post by: X-Force on June 14, 2019, 09:15:55 AM
Besides being able to put in for more then one unit I like the way it is. If you decide to put in for both and draw both you should get burned. You still get to build points in a category even if you don't put in for permit. Putting in for both when you have that many points is just being greedy and not smart with your points. I have been pointing QBull for years because I haven't drawn a reg bull in 13 years. This year I finally drew a reg Bull permit so next year I will start applying for QB. Not sure why anyone would risk losing 10+ years of applying when they know there is a chance of drawing both.
:chuckle: :chuckle: like a .5% chance
Post by: Cleetiswillfeedus on June 14, 2019, 12:19:23 PM
I do not regret my decision to apply for both, as statistically, I was in the 17 out of 1100 for Clockum and the 10 out of 500 for Alkali. If anyone thinks they should have held off with odds like that, more power to you. I would do it again in the future without hesitation.
Not applying for both categories with Washington drawing odds, it’s almost like saying “I’m not applying for 2 oil tags in a year because I only have time to hunt one”. If that’s how you think, keep on thinking it so it will help my odds in the future.
Anyway, I’m thankful for what I got.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 14, 2019, 12:22:01 PM
I was the .05% this year. I drew Clockum and Alkali. 15 points each. One permit will get wasted.:yeah: and you consciously applied for both so not like you weren't aware of the possible consequences. Besides, hard to be mad when you have a Colockum tag in your pocket :chuckle:
I do not regret my decision to apply for both, as statistically, I was in the 17 out of 1100 for Clockum and the 10 out of 500 for Alkali. If anyone thinks they should have held off with odds like that, more power to you. I would do it again in the future without hesitation.
Not applying for both categories with Washington drawing odds, it’s almost like saying “I’m not applying for 2 oil tags in a year because I only have time to hunt one”. If that’s how you think, keep on thinking it so it will help my odds in the future.
Anyway, I’m thankful for what I got.
Post by: Buckhunter24 on June 14, 2019, 12:36:17 PM
What they need to do is only have one category- BULL ELK.
That would make sense.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on June 14, 2019, 02:59:39 PM
Post by: mossback91 on June 14, 2019, 03:06:44 PM
I'd really like to go back to "Deer" and "Elk". I feel more for the guys who used to be able to draw a meat tag every couple of years by applying for antlerless, than I do for the trophy buck and bull guys - their odds just went from really bad to even worse.Agreed
Post by: Gentrys on June 14, 2019, 03:27:18 PM
Post by: timberhunter on June 14, 2019, 03:51:12 PM
Post by: mp.hunter on June 14, 2019, 04:32:07 PM
Once I get to 7-8 points I start applying for only one category for elk
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Post by: elkchaser54 on June 14, 2019, 05:07:02 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 14, 2019, 07:04:50 PM
I'd really like to go back to "Deer" and "Elk". I feel more for the guys who used to be able to draw a meat tag every couple of years by applying for antlerless, than I do for the trophy buck and bull guys - their odds just went from really bad to even worse.I wonder how they would combine all the points back together again? If you had 10 in bull, 10 in qual bull, 10 in antlerless would they average it out at 10 or give you 30 points?
Post by: bench beast on June 14, 2019, 07:58:38 PM
Had a buddy draw Quality Bull Clockum rifle and also drew Goose Prairie any Bull. Anyone else draw both categories?my son free Nooksack ML Yale bull and Yale cow
Post by: wheels on June 14, 2019, 08:15:36 PM
Post by: sagerat on June 14, 2019, 08:59:31 PM
sucks i drew bull and cow same year
What sucks is to draw nothing! And I have a crap load of points, not that it matters...
Post by: Wacenturion on June 15, 2019, 03:08:23 PM
What they need to do is only have one category- BULL ELK.
and only one selection, not four......problem solved. :tup:
Post by: Tjv28 on June 15, 2019, 04:35:56 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on June 15, 2019, 11:49:13 PM
Post by: First timer on June 16, 2019, 02:18:47 AM