Post by: Dsmiley49 on June 19, 2019, 09:39:36 PM
Say a guy is going out to his favorite "private shooting range" and has his dads hand me down shotgun in the truck that was never transferred at local ffl. He gets pulled over and officer runs serial numbers and finds the weapon is not registered to you, what's the consequence? How bout a pistol that's unloaded in a case under same circumstances listed above?
Any help would be appreciated! Thanks
Post by: bobcat on June 19, 2019, 10:01:07 PM
Post by: cem3434 on June 19, 2019, 10:04:23 PM
There's no such thing as registration in this state. At least not yet!:yeah: Perfectly legal to possess.
Post by: Tracker0721 on June 19, 2019, 10:08:29 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on June 19, 2019, 10:14:54 PM
There's no such thing as registration in this state. At least not yet!
I believe they keep records of handguns in our state. Defacto registry
Post by: Dsmiley49 on June 19, 2019, 10:25:32 PM
Post by: kselkhunter on June 19, 2019, 10:44:50 PM
There is no federal firearm registry. And hundreds of millions of guns have been transferred in this country without a registry or any way of tracking who has what gun. There are many guns in circulation with the same serial numbers. German factories started every year over a "0" with the M98 Mausers and there are millions of those in circulation. There is no way a government agency could keep any of that straight if say 327 of the same exact serial number existed on US soil. No, I wouldn't worry about enforcement of a registry on an older gun, even if a new silly law were written.
Post by: huntingfool7 on June 20, 2019, 06:05:12 AM
There's no such thing as registration in this state. At least not yet!
I believe they keep records of handguns in our state. Defacto registry
Hugeorgan is right on this one.
"The Washington Department of Licensing is authorized by law to keep copies or records of applications for concealed pistol licenses, copies or records of applications for alien firearm licenses, copies or records of applications to purchase handguns, and copies or records of handgun transfers."
- https://lawcenter.giffords.org/retention-of-sales-background-check-records-in-washington/
Post by: skills on June 20, 2019, 06:32:37 AM
:tinfoil:
Post by: Stein on June 20, 2019, 06:45:42 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 20, 2019, 07:21:40 AM
Post by: huntingfool7 on June 20, 2019, 07:40:41 AM
So they have records of handuns that were purchased but they don't know who owns them now. Like the Ruger 9mm I bought back in 1997, but sold several years later. The state doesn't have any records of who bought it. And either do I.I don't disagree on the above. The concern is that when they decide you can't own handguns, they will use that list as reasonable cause for searches.
Post by: konradcountry on June 20, 2019, 10:52:53 AM
Post by: ThomMedic on June 20, 2019, 11:36:45 AM
Post by: Bofire on June 20, 2019, 01:09:35 PM
Carl
Post by: STRINGSHOOTER on June 28, 2019, 11:17:14 AM
Post by: ne kid on June 28, 2019, 12:23:28 PM
Post by: brew on June 28, 2019, 01:29:40 PM
Are you referring to the grampa who got arrested for shooting 2 armed intruders in his home? He was arrested because of an unregistered handgun he got from family, not because he killed two people. It depends upon the state and state law. WA does not currently require any info on firearms passed within family, but that could change...probably next on agenda.where do you find the info on family pass downs ? I have *ahem* a gun or two that when I'm gone would like to pass down to my family members without all the BS paperwork and transfer fees
thanks
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 28, 2019, 02:17:32 PM
Are you referring to the grampa who got arrested for shooting 2 armed intruders in his home? He was arrested because of an unregistered handgun he got from family, not because he killed two people. It depends upon the state and state law. WA does not currently require any info on firearms passed within family, but that could change...probably next on agenda.where do you find the info on family pass downs ? I have *ahem* a gun or two that when I'm gone would like to pass down to my family members without all the BS paperwork and transfer fees
thanks
On a philosophical level, how's anyone going to know if, when, and where you passed firearms to your direct relatives? On a legal level:
RCW 9.41.113
Firearm sales or transfers—Background checks—Requirements—Exceptions. (Effective July 1, 2019.)
(1) All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state including without limitation a sale or transfer where either the purchaser or seller or transferee or transferor is in Washington, shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by state or federal law. The background check requirement applies to all sales or transfers including, but not limited to, sales and transfers through a licensed dealer, at gun shows, online, and between unlicensed persons.
(2) No person shall sell or transfer a firearm unless:
(a) The person is a licensed dealer;
(b) The purchaser or transferee is a licensed dealer; or
(c) The requirements of subsection (3) of this section are met.
(3) Where neither party to a prospective firearms transaction is a licensed dealer, the parties to the transaction shall complete the sale or transfer through a licensed dealer as follows:
(a) The seller or transferor shall deliver the firearm to a licensed dealer to process the sale or transfer as if it is selling or transferring the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or transferee, except that the unlicensed seller or transferor may remove the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while the background check is being conducted. If the seller or transferor removes the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while the background check is being conducted, the purchaser or transferee and the seller or transferor shall return to the business premises of the licensed dealer and the seller or transferor shall again deliver the firearm to the licensed dealer prior to completing the sale or transfer.
(b) Except as provided in (a) of this subsection, the licensed dealer shall comply with all requirements of federal and state law that would apply if the licensed dealer were selling or transferring the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or transferee, including but not limited to conducting a background check on the prospective purchaser or transferee in accordance with federal and state law requirements, fulfilling all federal and state recordkeeping requirements, and complying with the specific requirements and restrictions on semiautomatic assault rifles in chapter 3, Laws of 2019.
(c) The purchaser or transferee must complete, sign, and submit all federal, state, and local forms necessary to process the required background check to the licensed dealer conducting the background check.
(d) If the results of the background check indicate that the purchaser or transferee is ineligible to possess a firearm, then the licensed dealer shall return the firearm to the seller or transferor.
(e) The licensed dealer may charge a fee that reflects the fair market value of the administrative costs and efforts incurred by the licensed dealer for facilitating the sale or transfer of the firearm.
(4) This section does not apply to:
(a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents, parents-in-law, children, siblings, siblings-in-law, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift or loan;
Post by: brew on June 28, 2019, 03:21:07 PM
thanks for the info pianoman9701....I guess philosophically what I was referring to was can they (whoever "they" may be) see when I purchased the firearm (if I bought from a store) and if I purchased it after a certain date and someone else has the gun should there have been a transfer ? Another question I have is I married my wife and she had 2 children age 5 & 6 from a previous marriage and I have raised them for the past 30 years but never "adopted" them. I consider them my children and they consider me their father. they both have had kids so I have "grandchildren" and have firearms dedicated to them. I guess this RCW applies to that so I'm not really gonna worry about the transferAre you referring to the grampa who got arrested for shooting 2 armed intruders in his home? He was arrested because of an unregistered handgun he got from family, not because he killed two people. It depends upon the state and state law. WA does not currently require any info on firearms passed within family, but that could change...probably next on agenda.where do you find the info on family pass downs ? I have *ahem* a gun or two that when I'm gone would like to pass down to my family members without all the BS paperwork and transfer fees
thanks
On a philosophical level, how's anyone going to know if, when, and where you passed firearms to your direct relatives? On a legal level:
RCW 9.41.113
Firearm sales or transfers—Background checks—Requirements—Exceptions. (Effective July 1, 2019.)
(1) All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state including without limitation a sale or transfer where either the purchaser or seller or transferee or transferor is in Washington, shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by state or federal law. The background check requirement applies to all sales or transfers including, but not limited to, sales and transfers through a licensed dealer, at gun shows, online, and between unlicensed persons.
(2) No person shall sell or transfer a firearm unless:
(a) The person is a licensed dealer;
(b) The purchaser or transferee is a licensed dealer; or
(c) The requirements of subsection (3) of this section are met.
(3) Where neither party to a prospective firearms transaction is a licensed dealer, the parties to the transaction shall complete the sale or transfer through a licensed dealer as follows:
(a) The seller or transferor shall deliver the firearm to a licensed dealer to process the sale or transfer as if it is selling or transferring the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or transferee, except that the unlicensed seller or transferor may remove the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while the background check is being conducted. If the seller or transferor removes the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while the background check is being conducted, the purchaser or transferee and the seller or transferor shall return to the business premises of the licensed dealer and the seller or transferor shall again deliver the firearm to the licensed dealer prior to completing the sale or transfer.
(b) Except as provided in (a) of this subsection, the licensed dealer shall comply with all requirements of federal and state law that would apply if the licensed dealer were selling or transferring the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or transferee, including but not limited to conducting a background check on the prospective purchaser or transferee in accordance with federal and state law requirements, fulfilling all federal and state recordkeeping requirements, and complying with the specific requirements and restrictions on semiautomatic assault rifles in chapter 3, Laws of 2019.
(c) The purchaser or transferee must complete, sign, and submit all federal, state, and local forms necessary to process the required background check to the licensed dealer conducting the background check.
(d) If the results of the background check indicate that the purchaser or transferee is ineligible to possess a firearm, then the licensed dealer shall return the firearm to the seller or transferor.
(e) The licensed dealer may charge a fee that reflects the fair market value of the administrative costs and efforts incurred by the licensed dealer for facilitating the sale or transfer of the firearm.
(4) This section does not apply to:
(a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents, parents-in-law, children, siblings, siblings-in-law, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift or loan;
Post by: brew on June 28, 2019, 03:22:22 PM
Post by: Freedumb88 on July 03, 2019, 08:14:49 PM
Post by: bornhunter on July 03, 2019, 09:41:42 PM
What unregistered guns? Dont know anything about them.:yeah:
Post by: Special T on July 03, 2019, 11:31:01 PM
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