Post by: cdriver on June 20, 2019, 09:52:16 AM
Post by: boneaddict on June 20, 2019, 10:02:03 AM
Post by: Cougartail on June 20, 2019, 10:14:19 AM
I guess most black bears don't stand a chance when caught on the ground by multiple wolves and as we know, food is food with them.
Post by: cdriver on June 20, 2019, 11:23:17 AM
Post by: Lincoln4 on June 20, 2019, 01:13:28 PM
I'm in Western Washington, no wolves yet here.
Ummmm...
https://patch.com/washington/across-wa/first-wolf-pack-western-washington-seen-2018-wdfw
Post by: Platensek-po on June 20, 2019, 02:53:16 PM
Post by: konradcountry on June 20, 2019, 08:07:07 PM
They probably aren't far. Odds are they just went to another area they already know.
Or someone came in and shot them.
Post by: nwwanderer on June 21, 2019, 07:51:34 AM
Post by: cdriver on June 21, 2019, 06:49:12 PM
Post by: Thermal Predator Control on June 29, 2019, 05:07:31 PM
Post by: KFhunter on June 29, 2019, 05:19:34 PM
Why do you guys post this stuff.....? Lolx1000
because they're trying to figure it out, nothing wrong with that is there?
We know you wack a lot of coyotes, so how about you share your observations?
Do you hunt coyotes where there is a high incidence of bear activity?
Post by: Thermal Predator Control on June 29, 2019, 05:49:53 PM
Post by: KFhunter on June 29, 2019, 06:01:51 PM
I run cameras, and in areas with lots of bears I rarely see a yote (not to say they aren't there, they're everywhere)
so why would I want to call yotes where they aren't thick? I'd prefer to call them where they are denser in population, which usually isn't around bears. If I call in bear areas, I usually get bears to come in, not yotes.
So before you went thermal and started hunting over dead cattle carcasses and got to be an elite coyote slayer, where did you kill most of your daytime coyotes, and were they next to a large bear population? I doubt it.
How about layoff the snark and condescending 'tude, or just move on to something you'd like to learn about, like how to skin and put up coyote fur.
Post by: Thermal Predator Control on June 29, 2019, 06:17:26 PM
Post by: KFhunter on June 29, 2019, 06:35:14 PM
Post by: Igottanewknee on June 29, 2019, 06:43:18 PM
Post by: Thermal Predator Control on June 29, 2019, 06:44:18 PM
Post by: KFhunter on June 29, 2019, 06:47:03 PM
Post by: justyhntr on June 30, 2019, 10:33:14 AM
Post by: buckfvr on June 30, 2019, 11:19:31 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on June 30, 2019, 11:49:08 AM
We try to encourage new hunters to ask questions, so we try to curtail any bashing or mockery, we all started out somewhere. No such thing as a stupid question on HW :tup:X2
Post by: huntnfmly on June 30, 2019, 11:57:59 AM
Pay no attention to the people who are obviously the best hunters.
There are lots of people that have a bunch of knowledge and enjoy passing it on
Post by: bearpaw on June 30, 2019, 12:14:14 PM
We've found a few coyote kills made by cougars when hunting cougar during the winter. I think anything smaller is a potential meal for a cougar. One year WDFW documented two collared wolves killed and eaten by cougar, but I've been told a pack of wolves will kill and eat a cougar.
A guy I know who has been on cougar and wolf studies tells me they have found every kind of hair in wolf scat, that includes cougar, bear, and coyote. They had all kinds of animals collared, he said when the wolves move into a drainage everything starts moving out in every direction away from that drainage. I've been told wolves will even pull bear out of their den in the winter and eat them. Having stumbled onto denned bear, they seem pretty groggy when they get woke up, I can see where they would be a fairly easy target for a pack of wolves.
Post by: buckfvr on June 30, 2019, 12:28:41 PM
When these questions born of ignorance are asked and then answered as best as possible, the askers can then take that answer and put it into motion to learn from it. That is how people learn......try others methods, take their advice, sort it all out and see what works for them.
At some point, the very people who ask ignorant questions, will in turn, be the ones who answer them. Learning is everything about outdoors.
Post by: KFhunter on June 30, 2019, 01:38:09 PM
If criticism and ridicule helped people learn, then there'd be a lot of hunting experts on facebook.
oh wait... :chuckle:
Post by: smithkl42 on June 30, 2019, 02:29:56 PM
At some point, the very people who ask ignorant questions, will in turn, be the ones who answer them.
As one of those ignorant folks who keeps asking, I sure hope this is eventually true :-).
I'll say this - I've learned to ask my dumb questions here, rather than on Facebook groups. On Facebook, there's a large contingent of folks who just want to make fun of the newbie. Here, it it seems like most folks' first inclination is to help and to educate. That's appreciated.
Post by: nwwanderer on June 30, 2019, 09:16:46 PM
Post by: bearpaw on June 30, 2019, 09:53:30 PM
At some point, the very people who ask ignorant questions, will in turn, be the ones who answer them.
As one of those ignorant folks who keeps asking, I sure hope this is eventually true :-).
I'll say this - I've learned to ask my dumb questions here, rather than on Facebook groups. On Facebook, there's a large contingent of folks who just want to make fun of the newbie. Here, it it seems like most folks' first inclination is to help and to educate. That's appreciated.
Some of those rude people on facebook might have been on this forum at one time, the moderators have all made an effort to keep this a friendly and helpful place.
Post by: longtrails on July 01, 2019, 01:54:31 AM
I hunt coyotes year round, mostly in Mason County, Tahuya area. I've gotten to know some areas real well by concentrating in one area. I have noticed a sharp decline this spring in the amount of coyote sign I see while at the same time I am seeing a lot more bear and bear sign. Have gotten good looks at bear three out of the last four trips. Coyote sign in one usually active spot has dropped off to almost nothing. The same area shows bear sign, lots of tree stumps ripped open. Several bear sightings. My queston is whether the bears are pushing out the coyotes.I live and hunt in Tahuya, and I can attest to the bear and cougar overpopulation problem. My nephew and I have seen a lot of fresh scat in multiple areas. I have never eaten bear, and have heard it is extremely greasy, so health wise it's not a good idea for me to hunt for it due to bad cholesterol, though very tempting with all the bear sign. As you know they have been doing a lot of logging in this area including on Manke land so its driving ALL wildife into smaller areas. But bears aren't pushing them out, they have just moved to another area because that are looking for more food, because they have exhausted the area. From what i can tell, and hear, is that they have moved closer to residential lake areas right now for more food. Warning though, don't put your coyote call out near residential areas, it pisses non hunters off and last year the cops were called for disturbing the peace.
Post by: Bango skank on July 01, 2019, 02:46:20 AM
I hunt coyotes year round, mostly in Mason County, Tahuya area. I've gotten to know some areas real well by concentrating in one area. I have noticed a sharp decline this spring in the amount of coyote sign I see while at the same time I am seeing a lot more bear and bear sign. Have gotten good looks at bear three out of the last four trips. Coyote sign in one usually active spot has dropped off to almost nothing. The same area shows bear sign, lots of tree stumps ripped open. Several bear sightings. My queston is whether the bears are pushing out the coyotes.I live and hunt in Tahuya, and I can attest to the bear and cougar overpopulation problem. My nephew and I have seen a lot of fresh scat in multiple areas. I have never eaten bear, and have heard it is extremely greasy, so health wise it's not a good idea for me to hunt for it due to bad cholesterol, though very tempting with all the bear sign. As you know they have been doing a lot of logging in this area including on Manke land so its driving ALL wildife into smaller areas. But bears aren't pushing them out, they have just moved to another area because that are looking for more food, because they have exhausted the area. From what i can tell, and hear, is that they have moved closer to residential lake areas right now for more food. Warning though, don't put your coyote call out near residential areas, it pisses non hunters off and last year the cops were called for disturbing the peace.
The reason you hear bear meat is greasy is because the fat is very oily. The meat is not greasy, but people take a bear into the butcher and tell them to make sausage. The butcher, charging by the lb, is going to put all that oily fat in there. If you butcher yourself, take all that oily fat off, cut steaks, roasts, stew meat, its not greasy. bear meat is excellent. And you can set the fat aside, render it, and use it to make stuff like biscuits and pie crusts.
Post by: Bango skank on July 01, 2019, 02:48:50 AM
Post by: longtrails on July 01, 2019, 06:09:51 PM
You may have just changed my mind on hunting bear.Thanks for corecting me on the info about them.Will watch some videos on how to cook them proper to make sure I don't get tricinoses.I hunt coyotes year round, mostly in Mason County, Tahuya area. I've gotten to know some areas real well by concentrating in one area. I have noticed a sharp decline this spring in the amount of coyote sign I see while at the same time I am seeing a lot more bear and bear sign. Have gotten good looks at bear three out of the last four trips. Coyote sign in one usually active spot has dropped off to almost nothing. The same area shows bear sign, lots of tree stumps ripped open. Several bear sightings. My queston is whether the bears are pushing out the coyotes.I live and hunt in Tahuya, and I can attest to the bear and cougar overpopulation problem. My nephew and I have seen a lot of fresh scat in multiple areas. I have never eaten bear, and have heard it is extremely greasy, so health wise it's not a good idea for me to hunt for it due to bad cholesterol, though very tempting with all the bear sign. As you know they have been doing a lot of logging in this area including on Manke land so its driving ALL wildife into smaller areas. But bears aren't pushing them out, they have just moved to another area because that are looking for more food, because they have exhausted the area. From what i can tell, and hear, is that they have moved closer to residential lake areas right now for more food. Warning though, don't put your coyote call out near residential areas, it pisses non hunters off and last year the cops were called for disturbing the peace.
The reason you hear bear meat is greasy is because the fat is very oily. The meat is not greasy, but people take a bear into the butcher and tell them to make sausage. The butcher, charging by the lb, is going to put all that oily fat in there. If you butcher yourself, take all that oily fat off, cut steaks, roasts, stew meat, its not greasy. bear meat is excellent. And you can set the fat aside, render it, and use it to make stuff like biscuits and pie crusts.
Post by: KFhunter on July 01, 2019, 07:36:41 PM
Post by: longtrails on July 01, 2019, 09:19:49 PM
for your first bear make sure to get one that's been eating right.Ill try, but not to many are on the jenny craig diet around here. 😁
Post by: Bango skank on July 01, 2019, 11:40:07 PM
for your first bear make sure to get one that's been eating right.
He just needs to whack a couple berry fed northeast corner bears next month
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on July 02, 2019, 11:27:04 AM
Absolutely correct! In terms of cholesterol bear is very comparable to other wild game, less than deer and higher than elk.I hunt coyotes year round, mostly in Mason County, Tahuya area. I've gotten to know some areas real well by concentrating in one area. I have noticed a sharp decline this spring in the amount of coyote sign I see while at the same time I am seeing a lot more bear and bear sign. Have gotten good looks at bear three out of the last four trips. Coyote sign in one usually active spot has dropped off to almost nothing. The same area shows bear sign, lots of tree stumps ripped open. Several bear sightings. My queston is whether the bears are pushing out the coyotes.I live and hunt in Tahuya, and I can attest to the bear and cougar overpopulation problem. My nephew and I have seen a lot of fresh scat in multiple areas. I have never eaten bear, and have heard it is extremely greasy, so health wise it's not a good idea for me to hunt for it due to bad cholesterol, though very tempting with all the bear sign. As you know they have been doing a lot of logging in this area including on Manke land so its driving ALL wildife into smaller areas. But bears aren't pushing them out, they have just moved to another area because that are looking for more food, because they have exhausted the area. From what i can tell, and hear, is that they have moved closer to residential lake areas right now for more food. Warning though, don't put your coyote call out near residential areas, it pisses non hunters off and last year the cops were called for disturbing the peace.
The reason you hear bear meat is greasy is because the fat is very oily. The meat is not greasy, but people take a bear into the butcher and tell them to make sausage. The butcher, charging by the lb, is going to put all that oily fat in there. If you butcher yourself, take all that oily fat off, cut steaks, roasts, stew meat, its not greasy. bear meat is excellent. And you can set the fat aside, render it, and use it to make stuff like biscuits and pie crusts.