Post by: Grizzle on March 30, 2009, 08:51:26 PM
Question is, I'm mainly a meat hunter and would like to keep damage to a minimum. Is there a lighter weight round that would be a good consideration for muleys, sheep, etc. Primarily hunting WA, ID, OR
I don't hand load so this takes some of the flexibility away
Thanks
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2009, 08:54:56 PM
i've been hunting with a 30-06 for ever and meat damage is more related to where you hit the animal and with what kind of bullet than with what caliber.
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Post by: Grizzle on March 30, 2009, 09:08:32 PM
I certainly could buy another 30-06, I know its versatile, but..I figure I can shoot a lighter round with the .338 to cover the upper range of the 06.
Post by: bobcat on March 30, 2009, 09:09:52 PM
I would say the 308 Winchester would be another really good cartridge to consider for your purposes.
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Post by: Huntbear on March 31, 2009, 12:06:47 AM
huntnphool - what variant of the .257 Roberts would you recommend? Looks like the .257 Roberts Ackley Improved is the business....but can you buy ammo for that readily
.257 A.I. ammo is a handload only operation, but you can shoot standard .257 Roberts ammo through it with no problems. That is how you get your cases, by fire forming them, (shooting standard Roberts ammo in your A.I.) Accuracy is not affected, but you may have to re sight in your gun with the factory Roberts ammo.
I love my .257 A.I. and am getting 25-06 ballistics from my little "improved bob"
Post by: demontang on March 31, 2009, 07:58:24 AM
Post by: GoldTip on March 31, 2009, 08:10:28 AM
I have a 25-06 and have had very good luck with it on antelope and both whitetail and Mule deer. But would want a bit heavier bullet if I were to hunt sheep than what the 25 calibers are geared towards.
Post by: Slider on March 31, 2009, 08:38:08 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,23969.0.html
Post by: Coasthunterjay on March 31, 2009, 08:57:39 AM
but if thats to much gun then go for something a little smaller like a 257 Roberts or 25-06...
really its just preferance of what you like....
Post by: rainshadow1 on March 31, 2009, 09:04:32 AM
Post by: thinkingman on March 31, 2009, 09:27:50 AM
I chose 7-08 for my light-middleweight, but I handload.
I would go 308 or 3006
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Post by: jackelope on March 31, 2009, 10:50:17 AM
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there's the cool caliber factor, and then there's killing power/meat loss/etc
it doesn't matter if you're shooting a 243 or a 378, if you hit the animal in the shoulder meat, it's gonna ruin the shoulder meat. if you lung him, you're not going to ruin shoulder meat or hind quarter meat or anything unless your bullet comes apart and spreads inside the animal.
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Post by: bobcat on April 02, 2009, 09:40:21 PM
How much more do you really gain out of the 270 wsm over a standerd .270. :dunno:
Very, very little. It's only 200 feet per second gain in velocity, at best. That's not enough to show any significant difference in permormance. At 500 yards you'll have a few inches less drop. At 300 yards they will be virtually the same.
Post by: 700xcr on April 02, 2009, 09:51:50 PM
Here is a chart that you can compare between the two.How much more do you really gain out of the 270 wsm over a standerd .270. :dunno:
Very, very little. It's only 200 feet per second gain in velocity, at best. That's not enough to show any significant difference in permormance. At 500 yards you'll have a few inches less drop. At 300 yards they will be virtually the same.
http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/comparerifle.aspx?multiadd=U1hQMjcwUy0xLTE=&action=3&ctype=1&atype=1
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Post by: Cascade_Sherpa on April 16, 2009, 02:17:27 PM
How much more do you really gain out of the 270 wsm over a standerd .270. :dunno:
Very, very little. It's only 200 feet per second gain in velocity, at best. That's not enough to show any significant difference in permormance. At 500 yards you'll have a few inches less drop. At 300 yards they will be virtually the same.
One of the benefits of the wsm's or other short mags is a shorter action, resulting in a more compact, lighter rifle. Also a shorter action in inherently more accurate because the action is less susceptible to "flexing" and other harmonics when the round is fired. Less felt recoil, and generally a more efficient round.
Post by: KillBilly on April 16, 2009, 07:50:10 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 16, 2009, 08:01:28 PM
One of the benefits of the wsm's or other short mags is a shorter action, resulting in a more compact, lighter rifle. Also a shorter action is inherently more accurate because the action is less susceptible to "flexing" and other harmonics when the round is fired. Less felt recoil, and generally a more efficient round.
About 12 years ago I had decided to purchase a Browning A-Bolt. I was having trouble deciding between the 7mm/08 and the 270 Win. I finally went with the 270 because the 7/08 was too light.
On the theory of short actions being more accurate, I doubt you'd ever see any difference whatsoever between long actions and short actions in a hunting rifle. In a rifle built for benchrest shooting that is capable of putting 10 shots in the same hole at 500 yards, sure there may be a discernible difference between a short and a long action, but not in a rifle made for hunting that at best only needs to shoot 1 inch groups at 100 yards. JMO
Post by: Cascade_Sherpa on April 17, 2009, 10:48:25 AM
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I mostly agree with you; by far the biggest factor in accuracy is the person squeezing the trigger. Its the most common fail-point and the hardest thing to keep consistant. But not all hunting rifles are created equal. Some hunters are satisfied with hitting a paper plate at 200 yards, and every factory rifle will do that. Others want their hunting rifles to shoot like full blown benchrest rifles; sub moa. And thats when everything must be taken into account and the factors have to narrowed down to be consistant.
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