Post by: Ajj828 on June 26, 2019, 07:29:53 PM
Post by: brew on June 26, 2019, 07:36:21 PM
Post by: buckfvr on June 26, 2019, 07:43:19 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on June 26, 2019, 07:47:55 PM
Doesnt have to be concealed .....
:yeah:
In fact you don't even need a cpl to carry concealed while doing outdoor activities
Post by: KFhunter on June 26, 2019, 08:01:51 PM
The only thing relevant about a 4 inch barrel is if you carried during modern firearm season, you had a modern firearm tag, and you wanted to dispatch a deer or just shoot it you'd need that barrel longer than 4 inches.
but for archery, irrelevant.
If you're 21 or older the 'engaged in an outdoor activity' is irrelevant as you can already open carry in WA, but if you were 18 to 20 it would be important.
Post by: grimace on June 26, 2019, 10:09:22 PM
If you're 21 or older the 'engaged in an outdoor activity' is irrelevant as you can already open carry in WA, but if you were 18 to 20 it would be important.
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Are you saying as long as your engaged in a outdoor activity, a 18-20 year old can open carry? I did a little searching but came up empty...
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Post by: SGTDuffman on June 26, 2019, 10:19:41 PM
Post by: KFhunter on June 26, 2019, 10:55:35 PM
RCW 9.41.240
Possession of pistol or semiautomatic assault rifle by person from eighteen to twenty-one. (Effective January 1, 2019.)
(1) A person under twenty-one years of age may not purchase a pistol or semiautomatic assault rifle, and except as otherwise provided in this chapter, no person may sell or transfer a semiautomatic assault rifle to a person under twenty-one years of age.
(2) Unless an exception under RCW 9.41.042, 9.41.050, or 9.41.060 applies, a person at least eighteen years of age, but less than twenty-one years of age, may possess a pistol only:
(a) In the person's place of abode;
(b) At the person's fixed place of business; or
(c) On real property under his or her control.
(3) Except in the places and situations identified in RCW 9.41.042 (1) through (9) and 9.41.060 (1) through (10), a person at least eighteen years of age, but less than twenty-one years of age, may possess a semiautomatic assault rifle only:
(a) In the person's place of abode;
(b) At the person's fixed place of business;
(c) On real property under his or her control; or
(d) For the specific purpose of (i) moving to a new place of abode; (ii) traveling between the person's place of abode and real property under his or her control; or (iii) selling or transferring the firearm in accordance with the requirements of this chapter; provided that in all of these situations the semiautomatic assault rifle is unloaded and either in secure gun storage or secured with a trigger lock or similar device that is designed to prevent the unauthorized use or discharge of the firearm.
RCW 9.41.060
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
*** CHANGE IN 2019 *** (SEE 1589.SL) ***
The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:
(1) Marshals, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens or their deputies, correctional personnel and community corrections officers as long as they are employed as such who have completed government-sponsored law enforcement firearms training and have been subject to a check through the national instant criminal background check system or an equivalent background check within the past five years, or other law enforcement officers of this state or another state. Correctional personnel and community corrections officers seeking the waiver provided for by this section are required to pay for any background check that is needed in order to exercise the waiver;
(2) Members of the armed forces of the United States or of the national guard or organized reserves, when on duty;
(3) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed pistol;
(4) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of the person, if possessing, using, or carrying a pistol in the usual or ordinary course of the business;
(5) Regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive pistols from the United States or from this state;
(6) Regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for the purpose of target shooting, when those members are at or are going to or from their places of target practice;
(7) Regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for the purpose of modern and antique firearm collecting, when those members are at or are going to or from their collector's gun shows and exhibits;
(8) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;
(9) Any person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a closed opaque case or secure wrapper; or
(10) Law enforcement officers retired for service or physical disabilities, except for those law enforcement officers retired because of mental or stress-related disabilities. This subsection applies only to a retired officer who has: (a) Obtained documentation from a law enforcement agency within Washington state from which he or she retired that is signed by the agency's chief law enforcement officer and that states that the retired officer was retired for service or physical disability; and (b) not been convicted or found not guilty by reason of insanity of a crime making him or her ineligible for a concealed pistol license.
It is my understanding that people 18 to less than 21 years of age can open carry a handgun under these certain conditions.
Post by: KFhunter on June 26, 2019, 11:03:28 PM
I don’t think that’s what he’s saying. You still have to be 21 to possess a handgun. I think that’s the point he was making. As long as you doing outdoor stuff and of legal age to have a handgun, you’re good. The trouble starts if you’re not of age.
Those who are over 21 do not need an exemption for 'outdoor stuff', that exemption is specifically for those over 18 or under 21 years of age. So that's why I said that 'outdoor stuff' law is irrelevant to those over 21yrs old.
So if you were an 18 yr old bow hunter, you could pack dads pistol with you on the hunt but it has to be according to general open carry law.
but you could not pack your friends pistol (who's over 21 and bought their own pistol) as they couldn't transfer it to you
Post by: dilleytech on June 29, 2019, 08:02:22 AM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on June 29, 2019, 10:30:22 AM
Post by: KFhunter on June 29, 2019, 11:18:26 AM
To clarify you can shoot a deer in rifle season with a 4” barrel if you wished to? Or just dispatch a deer? Or must it be OVER 4”?
There's no such thing as "dispatching" an animal in the eyes of WDFW regarding hunters, it's all just hunting.
If you dispatched a deer with a pistol that was under 4" barrel length or less than .25 caliber then you'd face extra fines and seizures for hunting with an illegal weapon for that hunt.
So you'd be better off "dispatching" with your hunting rifle, as its all just hunting anyways.
Post by: outdooraddict on June 29, 2019, 04:19:09 PM
Post by: dilleytech on June 29, 2019, 05:27:42 PM
whats the point, you have a rifle in your hands
Maybe your out of ammo cuz you had hole in your pocket.. It’s nice to know the law.
Post by: follow maggie on July 07, 2019, 03:58:24 PM
I don’t think that’s what he’s saying. You still have to be 21 to possess a handgun. I think that’s the point he was making. As long as you doing outdoor stuff and of legal age to have a handgun, you’re good. The trouble starts if you’re not of age.
Those who are over 21 do not need an exemption for 'outdoor stuff', that exemption is specifically for those over 18 or under 21 years of age. So that's why I said that 'outdoor stuff' law is irrelevant to those over 21yrs old.
So if you were an 18 yr old bow hunter, you could pack dads pistol with you on the hunt but it has to be according to general open carry law.
but you could not pack your friends pistol (who's over 21 and bought their own pistol) as they couldn't transfer it to you
The exemption is for carrying concealed, which applies to everyone, regardless of age.
Post by: KFhunter on July 07, 2019, 08:30:22 PM
The exemption is for carrying concealed, which applies to everyone, regardless of age.
"engaged in an outdoor activity" doesn't have anything to do with concealed carry RCW's.
18-21 cannot get a concealed carry license, but can possess a pistol if "engaged in an outdoor activity" (or meet one of the other listed exemptions in reply #7)
RCW 9.41.050
Carrying firearms.
(1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol.
there's only one exemption listed here; (except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business)....that's it!
(b) Every licensee shall have his or her concealed pistol license in his or her immediate possession at all times that he or she is required by this section to have a concealed pistol license and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so. Any violation of this subsection (1)(b) shall be a class 1 civil infraction under chapter 7.80 RCW and shall be punished accordingly pursuant to chapter 7.80 RCW and the infraction rules for courts of limited jurisdiction.
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and:
(i) The pistol is on the licensee's person,
(ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or
(iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
(b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.
(3)(a) A person at least eighteen years of age who is in possession of an unloaded pistol shall not leave the unloaded pistol in a vehicle unless the unloaded pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle. <--for those "engaged in an outdoor activity" and other exemptions in reply #7 that would allow possession of a handgun from 18 to under 21
(b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.
(4) Nothing in this section permits the possession of firearms illegal to possess under state or federal law.
Post by: dreadi on July 08, 2019, 12:11:24 AM
has to be legal for hunting, which means 4" or greater. more genius rules from this state, you can hunt elk with a 4" .25acp, but a 2.5" 44 mag is a no go.
And to add some icing to that slice of genius, you can't hunt with that 4" 25 ACP in a firearms restricted area during modern season unless it's in revolver....nor that 30 cal pistol single shot or semiauto...oh noooo it has to be at least 40 cal for semiauto and no singleshot at all....but not problem using a 26" rifled shotgun and a slug.