Post by: ljsommer on July 08, 2019, 02:19:58 PM
Considering that he's willing to push his boundaries a bit (his initiative, not mine), what is a bolt action deer capable caliber that would be less abrasive than, for example, my bolt action .308? I saw some packages via Cabela's or Bass Pro for .243's but they appear to be out of stock on both.
Post by: Bango skank on July 08, 2019, 02:23:24 PM
Or buy a .243 with a threaded barrel and dish out a little coin for a suppressor, might be helpful.
Post by: ljsommer on July 08, 2019, 02:24:58 PM
Maybe a crossbow might be worth considering for your kid? :dunno:
I was under the impression crossbows were disability only, and the approved list of disabilities was somewhat stringent?
Post by: CackleBird98 on July 08, 2019, 02:25:25 PM
Post by: CackleBird98 on July 08, 2019, 02:26:12 PM
They're legal during modern firearm seasonMaybe a crossbow might be worth considering for your kid? :dunno:
I was under the impression crossbows were disability only, and the approved list of disabilities was somewhat stringent?
Post by: Bango skank on July 08, 2019, 02:26:41 PM
Maybe a crossbow might be worth considering for your kid? :dunno:
I was under the impression crossbows were disability only, and the approved list of disabilities was somewhat stringent?
For archery season yes, but as of a couple years ago theyre legal for anybody during modern firearms season.
Post by: CP on July 08, 2019, 02:30:05 PM
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Post by: dvolmer on July 08, 2019, 02:35:04 PM
Post by: headshot5 on July 08, 2019, 02:43:33 PM
Post by: brokentrail on July 08, 2019, 02:44:59 PM
If you want to shoot it and see how he does with it, PM me, I'd be happy to try and make that happen.
Post by: CoryTDF on July 08, 2019, 03:36:08 PM
My girls LOVE to shoot their Ruger American in 6.5 C and I cannot see why anybody would have a kid shoot anything other than this great caliber. the 143 gn ELDX factory ammo shoot nearly hand loaded match quality accurate out of those Rugers. Trust me you would not regret that purchase.
Post by: Widgeondeke on July 08, 2019, 04:01:47 PM
Another rifle to consider is the TC Compass. We are very happy with my sons.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 08, 2019, 04:10:43 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 08, 2019, 04:22:00 PM
My 11 and 8 YO girls shoot 6.5 Creedmore. I freaking love this round and it has done a great job on several deer and a nice bull elk. That would be my choice. I would say stay away from 300 Blackout or 6.8 SPC as I have no love for them and have not seen great results while hunting.while the creed doesn't really do anything the 260 rem or 7/08 (I wanted 7/08 but they dont make one in the predator) it is an easy to shoot caliber and the factory offerings is what really sets it far above other offerings out there. I bought one about a month ago for my nephew and possibly my daughter to shoot next year and it's a fun little shooter. Haven't taken any recent pics but this was one of my first loads I ran through it with 140 Berger vld's. Final load is 42.5gr of imr4350 at 2705fps. Ran it out to 1,038 yards last night. I still need a more kid friendly scope for it though :chuckle:
My girls LOVE to shoot their Ruger American in 6.5 C and I cannot see why anybody would have a kid shoot anything other than this great caliber. the 143 gn ELDX factory ammo shoot nearly hand loaded match quality accurate out of those Rugers. Trust me you would not regret that purchase.
Post by: jrebel on July 08, 2019, 05:16:18 PM
Post by: Bushcraft on July 08, 2019, 05:22:12 PM
Considering he may be most concerned with the noise, I don't think you will find much difference with him with a .243 vs. a .308, without hearing protection, they are both loud. If you are concerned with other items such as form factor, weight, lop, etc, you may find youth model rifles will specifically resolve most of those issues. All of my boys started hunting with a Remington 700 .243, youth model, and it has killed every deer it was pointed at. They have all moved on to larger calibers now but I still have the .243 and carry it when I'm out coyote hunting.
If you want to shoot it and see how he does with it, PM me, I'd be happy to try and make that happen.
^^^ Listen closely to this response.
Post by: Stein on July 08, 2019, 05:40:08 PM
I am tempted to carry it for deer sometimes, it is so light and short it's a dream to carry.
They aren't heirloom rifles, but they work great, are budget priced and nobody cries when they get scratched or dinged up.
Post by: huntnphool on July 08, 2019, 06:11:34 PM
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Post by: jrebel on July 08, 2019, 06:44:53 PM
Post by: Alchase on July 08, 2019, 07:00:26 PM
If I had know how loud the .234 WSSM is over the standard .243, I would have got the .243.
I love the caliber and the rifle, but it is substantially louder sharper report.
So my point is different calibers will be louder on different rifles. Most calibers will be louder on lighter synthetic stock than they will be on a solid wood stock.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 08, 2019, 08:50:43 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 08, 2019, 09:43:48 PM
What’s the deal with suppressors? I have heard that if you get the federal stamp, your residence can be searched or something like that?I'm not up to speed because I could buy like 4 Idaho deer tags for what one costs. I've mentored almost a dozen youth hunters over the years and my go to is muffs over ear plugs.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 08, 2019, 09:49:48 PM
Post by: Stein on July 08, 2019, 09:51:56 PM
From my experience, the sound isn't much of a problem, like was said you can get good ear pro these days. Just pick a day it isn't busy or find a place in the woods for yourself. I can't stand being next to a brake or even short barrel AR going crazy.
Post by: dreadi on July 08, 2019, 09:53:29 PM
What’s the deal with suppressors? I have heard that if you get the federal stamp, your residence can be searched or something like that?ATF can demand to see the stamp and item at their discretion. It doesn’t give them the right to search your home. I personally know people with NFA items and one person that has owned a machine gun for over 30 years and he’s never had a visit from the ATF.
On the topic of noise, can he wear ear plugs? Myself and a friend keep them around our necks during modern season. When it’s time to pull the trigger, stick them in and BOOM isn’t so bad.
Also, you may want to consider a muzzle device such as a linear compensator that directs the SPL more downrange than other devices.
Post by: Goshawk on July 08, 2019, 09:53:51 PM
I'd stay clear of exposed hammer models like the old Win 94 and Marlin. That hammer is just too tempting not to play with and can slip when a kid gets excited. Better stay with a good quality bolt.
Post by: jrebel on July 08, 2019, 09:59:07 PM
What’s the deal with suppressors? I have heard that if you get the federal stamp, your residence can be searched or something like that?I'm not up to speed because I could buy like 4 Idaho deer tags for what one costs. I've mentored almost a dozen youth hunters over the years and my go to is muffs over ear plugs.
Unless your an Idaho resident ......that is 100% not the case. I hunt Idaho and I bought a suppressor so that is slightly exaggerated. They are not cheap.....but definitely worth the money if a kid is sound sensative.
To answer your question about home searches ...... I don't know for sure but I have never heard such a thing and it does not make sense. Because you legally purchase something does not mean you forfeit your rights to legal search and seizure laws. But if they really want to look at my kids dirty rooms .... Come on in!! :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 08, 2019, 10:24:05 PM
Post by: fishnfur on July 08, 2019, 10:24:46 PM
I bough our oldest a Savage 7-08 Youth rife that is easy on the shoulder and weighs nothing. I use it myself if I'm going to hump it around awhile and sit on some cuts. It has the kick of a 30-30, and is super accurate. I'd love to have a 6.5 Creedmore in a Youth setup for my next hunter. I need a good excuse for the wife though. Help me out.....???
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 08, 2019, 10:35:33 PM
Post by: jrebel on July 08, 2019, 10:38:49 PM
What's the stamp cost? Most the suppressors I've looked at have been $800 and up. 4 Idaho deer tags at $301 a pop is $1,204. So a guy gets a $900 can plus tax and stamp :dunno: is there less expensive ones and what's the difference between two?
You can purchase a nice can, including tax stamp, for less than a grand now days. $301 per tag plus $154.75 for a liscense. In most cases you would attempt to purchase two deer per year for a total of 154.75 + 602 for a total of $756.75 x 2 years = $1513.50 to get your 4 deer tags you speak of. If you only purchased one deer tag a year the cost would go up by $309.50 for the cost of two more licenses.
One 30 cal can with tax stamp cost me $950 and there were cheaper options. Like anything, there are also more expensive options.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 08, 2019, 10:40:19 PM
Post by: jrebel on July 08, 2019, 10:45:20 PM
Licenses are not tags sir! Dont twist my words :chuckle:
Really....we are not confiscating your firearms.....it is a legal buyback that if you refuse will make you a criminal. I like to speak with all the facts I have....you were withholding important information for the OP. Suppressors are half (or less) the cost of most rifle / scope combos now days and are a very viable option in the OP's scenario.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 08, 2019, 10:59:16 PM
Post by: jrebel on July 08, 2019, 11:05:10 PM
You're reading way too much into it man. My point is they are spendy so every time I think about getting one I end up with a brake. I never said anything about anyone searching or confiscating anything :dunno:
I get it......my reference was simply having all the facts. Don't want to mislead anyone into thinking out of state Idaho hunts are cheap.
At the end of the day.....to each their own.....if I were the OP I would start with a good set of noise canceling muffs and progress as needed. A suppressor would be the extreme unless finances we're not a worry.
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Post by: OutHouse on July 15, 2019, 03:58:16 PM
If he's not going to be shooting very far, 100 yds or less, get a rifle in 44 mag.
I was thinking the same if range is short. I knew a guy who hunted with a lever .357 as a kid and loved it. Of course, he was hunting thick brush on private property so it made sense. He had no problem bringing down deer with it.