Post by: 7mmfan on July 10, 2019, 01:53:39 PM
Be smart on the water guys, don’t take chances, none of them are worth it. Wear your PFD’s and make sure you go home at the end of the day.
Post by: h20hunter on July 10, 2019, 01:54:29 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on July 10, 2019, 02:01:49 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on July 10, 2019, 02:03:53 PM
Post by: Bango skank on July 10, 2019, 02:06:52 PM
Post by: SGTDuffman on July 10, 2019, 03:11:19 PM
I still would advise against counting on your swimming ability alone. You never know what circumstance will put you in the water. I’m a better swimmer unconscious in a life vest than Michael Phelps is unconscious without a life vest.
Post by: Fidelk on July 10, 2019, 04:50:57 PM
Post by: Stein on July 10, 2019, 05:23:16 PM
Even with a PFD, how long are your survival chances in 50 degree (F) water? I got taken out by a rip current years ago while abalone diving in Northern Cali and was on a ride to Japan. I was in the water for over two hours, part of the time while diving and the rest while fighting my way back to shore...….but, I was wearing a wetsuit with 14mm of Neopreme covering my body's core. I was never cold and never panicked, but I was also aware that I might not survive the event. Without the wetsuit, not sure I would have made it back in. I think your survival might require more than a PDF if you are miles offshore, once the blood leaves your extremities and tries to protect your core. Hypothermia will make your swimming ability very minimal as your arms and legs become less capable of movement.
A guy can last longer than most think, but if you are not near other boats or quick rescue I would fully agree that carrying some type of beacon, radio or other means to summon rescue is critical.
For people that think they swim well enough, just jump in the water with your clothes on some day and see what happens. Between the cold and the drag of clothing it is not a fun experience to say the least. That assumes you don't have any injury or get knocked out.
Post by: HikerHunter on July 11, 2019, 08:40:25 AM
A guy can last longer than most think, but if you are not near other boats or quick rescue I would fully agree that carrying some type of beacon, radio or other means to summon rescue is critical.
For people that think they swim well enough, just jump in the water with your clothes on some day and see what happens. Between the cold and the drag of clothing it is not a fun experience to say the least. That assumes you don't have any injury or get knocked out.
If you hit your head, it doesn't matter if you can or can't swim. That's the way I've always thought about it.
Post by: dilleytech on July 11, 2019, 09:04:41 AM
Even with a PFD, how long are your survival chances in 50 degree (F) water? I got taken out by a rip current years ago while abalone diving in Northern Cali and was on a ride to Japan. I was in the water for over two hours, part of the time while diving and the rest while fighting my way back to shore...….but, I was wearing a wetsuit with 14mm of Neopreme covering my body's core. I was never cold and never panicked, but I was also aware that I might not survive the event. Without the wetsuit, not sure I would have made it back in. I think your survival might require more than a PDF if you are miles offshore, once the blood leaves your extremities and tries to protect your core. Hypothermia will make your swimming ability very minimal as your arms and legs become less capable of movement.
My father and two friends survived a boat sinking 2 miles off shore of neah bay back in the late 90’s. They were wearing pfds after they realized the boat was sinking. They swam to shore and ended up on two different beaches.They figured they were in the water for at least a few hours. The coast guard said they weren’t supposed to survive that long. I believe you will survive a lot longer then they say.
I wear them when water is sketchy or when I’m running in dark or whatever but how I see it I could also die driving to the boat launch. Stuff happens sometimes it’s fatal, that’s life.
Post by: Stein on July 11, 2019, 09:26:52 AM
A guy can last longer than most think, but if you are not near other boats or quick rescue I would fully agree that carrying some type of beacon, radio or other means to summon rescue is critical.
For people that think they swim well enough, just jump in the water with your clothes on some day and see what happens. Between the cold and the drag of clothing it is not a fun experience to say the least. That assumes you don't have any injury or get knocked out.
If you hit your head, it doesn't matter if you can or can't swim. That's the way I've always thought about it.
Yeah, cold water shock can do a very similar thing. I just took a swim test at my kid's scout camp and the water was 54 degrees (roughly equal to Puget Sound). I have done cold water training, ocean swimming and 1/2 ironman distances and jumping into the water and immediately trying to swim was extremely hard for the first 20 yards or so - like I couldn't get my breath enough to even breast stroke hard. I am a great swimmer with tons of cold water experience and was wearing only trunks and it was tough to get my breath and move at the same time.
My other experiences involved gradual exposure from the beach, wetsuits or other circumstances, I was really surprised at how much tougher it was just to bail into deep cold water and try to start swimming. Doing that with clothes on in rough conditions would be something I wouldn't want to try.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 11, 2019, 10:41:31 AM
Even with a PFD, how long are your survival chances in 50 degree (F) water? I got taken out by a rip current years ago while abalone diving in Northern Cali and was on a ride to Japan. I was in the water for over two hours, part of the time while diving and the rest while fighting my way back to shore...….but, I was wearing a wetsuit with 14mm of Neopreme covering my body's core. I was never cold and never panicked, but I was also aware that I might not survive the event. Without the wetsuit, not sure I would have made it back in. I think your survival might require more than a PDF if you are miles offshore, once the blood leaves your extremities and tries to protect your core. Hypothermia will make your swimming ability very minimal as your arms and legs become less capable of movement.
Much longer than if you just drown. This boat capsized close to shore.
Post by: Bango skank on July 11, 2019, 10:59:13 AM
Even with a PFD, how long are your survival chances in 50 degree (F) water? I got taken out by a rip current years ago while abalone diving in Northern Cali and was on a ride to Japan. I was in the water for over two hours, part of the time while diving and the rest while fighting my way back to shore...….but, I was wearing a wetsuit with 14mm of Neopreme covering my body's core. I was never cold and never panicked, but I was also aware that I might not survive the event. Without the wetsuit, not sure I would have made it back in. I think your survival might require more than a PDF if you are miles offshore, once the blood leaves your extremities and tries to protect your core. Hypothermia will make your swimming ability very minimal as your arms and legs become less capable of movement.
My father and two friends survived a boat sinking 2 miles off shore of neah bay back in the late 90’s. They were wearing pfds after they realized the boat was sinking. They swam to shore and ended up on two different beaches.They figured they were in the water for at least a few hours. The coast guard said they weren’t supposed to survive that long. I believe you will survive a lot longer then they say.
I wear them when water is sketchy or when I’m running in dark or whatever but how I see it I could also die driving to the boat launch. Stuff happens sometimes it’s fatal, that’s life.
Yeah you can die driving to the boat launch, but you wear a seat belt to help reduce that risk dont you?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on July 11, 2019, 11:42:14 AM
Post by: bhawley76 on July 11, 2019, 12:34:52 PM
Post by: ALLTERRAIN on July 11, 2019, 04:47:35 PM
[/quote]
My father and two friends survived a boat sinking 2 miles off shore of neah bay back in the late 90’s. They were wearing pfds after they realized the boat was sinking. They swam to shore and ended up on two different beaches.They figured they were in the water for at least a few hours. The coast guard said they weren’t supposed to survive that long. I believe you will survive a lot longer then they say.
I wear them when water is sketchy or when I’m running in dark or whatever but how I see it I could also die driving to the boat launch. Stuff happens sometimes it’s fatal, that’s life.
[/quote] I was there fishing when that happened, very scary and so glad they made it home. Things happen fast and a QUALITY Pfd will at the very least give you much better odds of seeing your family again.
Post by: fishngamereaper on July 11, 2019, 06:40:43 PM
..be safe out there. But most importantly be smart.
Post by: BD1 on July 11, 2019, 08:06:57 PM
Post by: Jake Dogfish on July 11, 2019, 09:44:20 PM
Post by: Platensek-po on July 12, 2019, 02:43:25 AM
Post by: cem3434 on July 12, 2019, 06:07:17 AM
Post by: dilleytech on July 12, 2019, 06:39:32 AM
My father and two friends survived a boat sinking 2 miles off shore of neah bay back in the late 90’s. They were wearing pfds after they realized the boat was sinking. They swam to shore and ended up on two different beaches.They figured they were in the water for at least a few hours. The coast guard said they weren’t supposed to survive that long. I believe you will survive a lot longer then they say.
I wear them when water is sketchy or when I’m running in dark or whatever but how I see it I could also die driving to the boat launch. Stuff happens sometimes it’s fatal, that’s life.
[/quote] I was there fishing when that happened, very scary and so glad they made it home. Things happen fast and a QUALITY Pfd will at the very least give you much better odds of seeing your family again.
[/quote]
I was about 8 at the time and pretty much always went with my dad when he went to the ocean on nearly a weekly basis. For some reason he went without me on this trip and lucky he did. I would have surely died.