Post by: Palmer on October 26, 2007, 10:37:15 PM
What is the law in Washington? I couldn't find anything in the regs.
Post by: billythekidrock on October 27, 2007, 05:16:07 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 27, 2007, 06:22:47 AM
(honestly I believe its against the law, but most wardens appreciate the help. ;)
Bad thing in the winter is if you do this and that cross country skier is right behind the dog. Damn thing shouldn't be chasing deer though.
Post by: Palmer on October 27, 2007, 07:36:41 AM
Post by: Ray on October 27, 2007, 09:13:19 AM
The truth is there are more problems with dogs doing different and more egregious things than chasing a deer. There are bigger fish to fry and get your knickers in a twist about. I'd rather not start some lifetime fued over something like Jimmy's dog chasing after a deer in the back 40. It's not worth it. For me ... I would rather focus more attention on PETA or someone who wants to attack gun rights.
This topic is asking for a flame war by the way. Expecting that it will be locked within 48 hrs.
Post by: boneaddict on October 27, 2007, 09:29:05 AM
Post by: Ray on October 27, 2007, 09:29:58 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 27, 2007, 09:35:14 AM
I will however tend to be one that discourages that sort of behavior in an animal.
Post by: Opportunist on October 27, 2007, 10:29:58 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 27, 2007, 10:50:35 AM
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We shouldn't have brought the dog.
yes you should have brought the dog...you either should have better control of the dog or keep the dog on a leash. it's in a dog's nature to chase...the prey drive i think they call it. my dog goes everywhere he can go with me. i have real long leashes, e-collar, and generally good control of my dog. i keep him on a leash when need be...
flame on.
Post by: boneaddict on October 27, 2007, 10:50:59 AM
Post by: Ray on October 27, 2007, 10:52:48 AM
Post by: HuntingFanatic on October 27, 2007, 10:55:13 AM
Post by: Palmer on October 27, 2007, 10:55:29 AM
I just wish pet owners were a little more educated about the consequences when they let their dogs run free. Dogs can run a deer to death.
Post by: boneaddict on October 27, 2007, 10:58:38 AM
I think there might be a WAC code aobut hunting with your dog during the deer or elk seasons as well as not being real bright I would think. I probably just insulted someeone on here and the flames will be going. YIKES
Post by: Ray on October 27, 2007, 11:01:12 AM
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I heard another hunter tell me about shooting dogs chasing deer
I think more information or examples would be helpful to your discussion.
If someone's dog chases a deer how do we know that it's an imminent death sentence and a justifiable punishment in every situation? What happens during the warmer months? Do all animals die from the chase then? Is it really that irresponsible? Maybe it's good for deer or other animals in some situations. They should fear man...
There's people that do not hunt and walk up and down logging roads with their dogs all the time without leashes. Inflicting a death sentence on them casually strolling in the woods or outside and going after a deer might seem a little over the top. At least the way I am imagining the situation. Matter of fact if someone did that to my dog while I was out strolling the logging roads (which I do every so often with my dog) I'd be just as likely to pull out some iron of my own and get busy.
Post by: jackelope on October 27, 2007, 11:06:45 AM
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I'd be just as likely to pull out some iron of my own and get busy.
what he said.
Post by: jackelope on October 27, 2007, 11:08:11 AM
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I think there might be a WAC code aobut hunting with your dog during the deer or elk seasons as well as not being real bright I would think
huh??
Post by: boneaddict on October 27, 2007, 11:12:16 AM
Post by: Ray on October 27, 2007, 11:22:05 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 27, 2007, 11:24:10 AM
cuz you can do that...you just can't hunt huns with an '06. :chuckle: and your dog.
Post by: Palmer on October 27, 2007, 11:36:13 AM
Using Dogs
Hunting wild animals with dogs during any deer or elk modern firearm season is prohibited.
Hunting or pursuing any big game animal or bobcat with dogs is prohibited except cougar hunting as permitted by the Fish Wildlife Commission.
Allowing a dog, owned or controlled by you, to pursue or injure deer or elk or to accompany you while you are hunting deer or elk is prohibited
I would say if its a persistant problem call the authorities of the WDFW. I've got the number logged into my phone. However, they might terminate the dog. I believe they do in Idaho.
Post by: Alchase on October 27, 2007, 11:53:57 AM
Fast forword five years and they are moving into a new house in rural Kent. They let the sorry excuse of a dog out of the car and he immediately ran straight for the neighbors horses. I seconds there where five horses in a circle surrounding him trying to pummel him into the dirt. The odd thing is they were using their knees not their hooves? I had never seen anything like that before. I swear it was almost like hey were playing a game of horse hockey and he was the puck, LOL. Though it was entertaining to watch we had to save him. He was bruised up pretty bad but nothing serious.
Back to the subject of dogs running deer, I never found out what the law was, but I was always told when I was learning to hunt, that if you see a dog running deer, it was your obligation to stop it anyway you can including shooting the dog as a last resort. Every time I have seen this except on one occasion it has been multiple dogs in a pack running the deer. I have not had a weapon on me at those times, but I was mad enough to do something. The one time it was a single dog, was in Belfair at a Friends house late and we heard a squealing out in the pasture. We ran outside and here was a Pitbull locked onto the neck of a doe hanging off the ground. He had obviously been there a while. I would have shot that dog in a second if we had a weapon. It took a few whacks with an aluminum bat to get him to let go. The deer was spinning away from us so we could not get a solid hit to the dog. The dog finally ran off. I found out later that the owner encouraged this behavior. The doe ran into the trees but I do not think she made it.
Post by: Alchase on October 27, 2007, 12:07:44 PM
The responsibility here should be on the owners of the dog, it is to bad the dog has to pay when the owner should be responsible.
Post by: Ray on October 27, 2007, 02:14:19 PM
Each situation probably dictates different actions for either the owner, the dog or in some other capacity. Shooting someone's dog should be the last resort. Otherwise the shooter in some cases might be just as irresponsible as the dog owner.
Anyone who is intentionally chasing animals with their dogs illegally well.... they probably should be reported. I am not a cop so I probably would just mind my own business on public land for the most part. They always have the snitch phone hotline for that sort of thing if it really bothered me...
Post by: Dman on October 27, 2007, 05:52:36 PM
Post by: runningboard on October 27, 2007, 08:04:17 PM
Post by: Ray on October 27, 2007, 08:09:58 PM
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shoot deer-chasing dogs, plural, not a single pet that happens upon a deer while walking with it's owner
Finally a good example that I can agree with. Probably the one which should have accompanied the beginning of the thread. To be honest the original statement which started this topic sounding like someone was fishing for a consensus so they could or would go out and shoot any rogue dog that they didn't like. :dunno:
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if I let them run loose and not know where they are or what they're up to I "EXPECT" bad things to happen to them
I agree with that 100%.
Post by: Palmer on October 27, 2007, 08:13:16 PM
Post by: Palmer on October 27, 2007, 08:18:53 PM
Finally a good example that I can agree with. Probably the one which should have accompanied the beginning of the thread. To be honest the original statement which started this topic sounding like someone was fishing for a consensus so they could or would go out and shoot any rogue dog that they didn't like. :dunno:
I agree as well. I started the thread with such a statement because I have had more than one hunter inform me they shoot any dog they see running down deer. Now sometimes people make broad statements and don't get specific. I'm glad I brought this up. I like what people have written on this thread.
Post by: nwhoundhunter on October 27, 2007, 10:02:26 PM
Next question, why would you even start up a thread like this anyway, to see how much hate and discontent you can cause? I know for a fact that I'm not the only dog hunter on this forum and I'd almost guarentee that they might feel the same way, if not, I apoligize right now, but I'd hate to get my dog shot because some derilict seen a deer in the same area as my dogs are running. Dog hunters break these dogs off of deer and elk and try hard at it too. So please keep that in mind if you're going to pull down on a hound.
Post by: boneaddict on October 27, 2007, 10:27:40 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on October 27, 2007, 11:21:38 PM
I think it's fairly easy to tell the difference between a dog pusueing legal game, and one or a pack hot on the heels of a deer. If it was my dog and it didn't learn a quick lesson, I wouldn't be one to pass the problem to someone else, or let it continue. I don't support introducing wolves into new areas either. A dog running wild is worse.
Post by: Palmer on October 27, 2007, 11:26:00 PM
Well I was going to stay out of this one, but being a dog hunter in every perspective I can't. And let me tell you one thing, I feel sorry for the guy that even thinks of shooting one of my dogs. I think it's a stupid law plain and simple, I do however agree that if it's the person's intent to run deer or elk, then yes, something needs to be done, but for anyone to just shoot a dog for it is just plain stupid. That is the only reason that we can't run dogs during modern firearm season, it's a preventative measure by WDFW. I've been in this position before down in the Doty Hills, not with one of my dogs, but with a buddies and let me tell you one thing, that guy will think twice from here on out.
Next question, why would you even start up a thread like this anyway, to see how much hate and discontent you can cause? I know for a fact that I'm not the only dog hunter on this forum and I'd almost guarentee that they might feel the same way, if not, I apoligize right now, but I'd hate to get my dog shot because some derilict seen a deer in the same area as my dogs are running. Dog hunters break these dogs off of deer and elk and try hard at it too. So please keep that in mind if you're going to pull down on a hound.
I think its a good law and it doesn't legalize the shooting of any dogs. I'm glad you shared your opinion so any hunters that do shoot a dog chasing deer will think about it carefully next time. I'll say one thing if I was in my tree stand and I saw a dog chasing the deer in my area, that dog better have a dog collar on, an owner within sight, or I may think about naming that dog "coyote." If it had a collar I would look for the owner. If I couldn't find them I'd call the game warden and see what he had to say. I think you gotta use your head and not lose your cool. But if you repeatedly see the same dog or dogs chasing deer and you can't find the owner then they are probably feral dogs and may as well be considered coyotes. It would be stupid to just shoot a collared dog that happens by your favorite deer hunting spot.
The first hunter to tell me of shooting dogs chasing deer also had hounds and hunted cougars.
Post by: Palmer on October 27, 2007, 11:39:45 PM
RCW 77.12.315
Dogs harassing deer and elk — Declaration of emergency — Taking dogs into custody or destroying — Immunity.
If the director determines that a severe problem exists in an area of the state because deer and elk are being pursued, harassed, attacked or killed by dogs, the director may declare by emergency rule that an emergency exists and specify the area where it is lawful for fish and wildlife officers to take into custody or destroy the dogs if necessary. Fish and wildlife officers who take into custody or destroy a dog pursuant to this section are immune from civil or criminal liability arising from their actions.
So no shooting dogs chasing deer or elk, talk to the owner or call the WDFW.
Post by: Ray on October 28, 2007, 09:45:58 AM