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Title: F-450 thoughts
Post by: kball4 on July 29, 2019, 11:31:29 AM: Hopefully this is the last truck I buy for 10+ years. I am in the market for a dually 1-2 years old, due to the payload for hauling a truck camper while towing a boat or box trailer. I prefer Ford but am also a fan Dodge heavy duty trucks. After doing a fair bit of research I convienced my self on getting an F-450. Almost identical to the 350 but with bigger rear axle, front brakes and the wide trac front end. Now "technically" the F-350 has a higher payload on paper, but that is only to keep the GVW under 14k lbs. My father-in-law has a SRW F-350 and he loves it minus the turn radious. I'll never have to worry about payload of tow limitablilty again and the turn radious is almost the same as my F-150. And at 14 mpg in my F-150 my miliage shouldn't change much.

Im pretty sure thats what I want what are your thoughts?
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: jackelope on July 29, 2019, 11:39:51 AM: The new 6.7's have been good for us. D.E.F. seems to piss people off, but it's a fact of life with the newer diesels. We've been seeing a pretty good number of upper oil pans leaking on the 15+ 6.7's but at this point most of them are still under warranty. Really they've been good trucks for us. My buddy drives the wheels off of a 2015 F450 and beats the crap out of it daily. It's been mostly solid for him although it spends most of it's life off road with a load on the bed so he has made some front end repairs. He rants and raves about the turning radius. They ain't cheap, that's for sure!!
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: 2MANY on July 29, 2019, 11:54:48 AM: I wouldn't even give it another thought.
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: kball4 on July 29, 2019, 12:09:26 PM: Quote from: jackelope on July 29, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
The new 6.7's have been good for us. D.E.F. seems to piss people off, but it's a fact of life with the newer diesels. We've been seeing a pretty good number of upper oil pans leaking on the 15+ 6.7's but at this point most of them are still under warranty. Really they've been good trucks for us. My buddy drives the wheels off of a 2015 F450 and beats the crap out of it daily. It's been mostly solid for him although it spends most of it's life off road with a load on the bed so he has made some front end repairs. He rants and raves about the turning radius. They ain't cheap, that's for sure!!
That's why it'll hopfully last me 10+ years cause dropping $60-70k ain't no drop in the bucket.
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: follow maggie on July 30, 2019, 09:51:34 AM: I was looking at these awhile back & was really surprised to see they often have a lower cargo capacity than a f350. I don’t understand how that’s possible. If they have it artificially low for some reason & it’s capable of more, you’ll still get a ticket if you’re over weight & pulled over by a weight cop. Here in Kitsap where I live I see weight cops pulling over non commercial rigs all the time, even passenger cars. Not sure what that’s about.
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: kball4 on July 30, 2019, 10:41:56 AM: It's all to stay under the 14k lb max gross vehical weight to be able to drive it with a standard drivers license.
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: jackelope on July 30, 2019, 01:27:15 PM: This is from the 2016 Ford RV and trailer towing guide. Top numbers are for F350. Last row is F450.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/Ford_Linc_16RVTTgde_r2_Oct23.pdf

The 14k pound number is the GVWR for the 2 trucks. It's the same.
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: jackelope on July 30, 2019, 01:29:49 PM: Here's all the info for the 2018 trucks. Too much to screenshot.

https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/18RV&TT_Ford_SuperDtyPU_Nov27.pdf
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: jackelope on July 30, 2019, 01:34:15 PM: Here you go.
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: jackelope on July 30, 2019, 01:35:30 PM: For grins...here's the 5th wheel/gooseneck info..
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: follow maggie on July 30, 2019, 07:54:40 PM: Quote from: kball4 on July 30, 2019, 10:41:56 AM
It's all to stay under the 14k lb max gross vehical weight to be able to drive it with a standard drivers license.

A cdl isn’t needed until weight is over 26,000
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: syoungs on July 30, 2019, 08:04:24 PM: Quote from: follow maggie on July 30, 2019, 07:54:40 PM
Quote from: kball4 on July 30, 2019, 10:41:56 AM
It's all to stay under the 14k lb max gross vehical weight to be able to drive it with a standard drivers license.

A cdl isn’t needed until weight is over 26,000

Some states have more restrictive limits though. Pretty sure they de-rate to the lowest denominator.
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: Knocker of rocks on July 30, 2019, 09:12:23 PM: Quote from: syoungs on July 30, 2019, 08:04:24 PM
Quote from: follow maggie on July 30, 2019, 07:54:40 PM
Quote from: kball4 on July 30, 2019, 10:41:56 AM
It's all to stay under the 14k lb max gross vehical weight to be able to drive it with a standard drivers license.

A cdl isn’t needed until weight is over 26,000

Some states have more restrictive limits though. Pretty sure they de-rate to the lowest denominator.

Except for California, a CDL isn’t required for a RV regardless of gross. You could use a Hayes and be legal.
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: follow maggie on July 31, 2019, 08:17:48 AM: Quote from: syoungs on July 30, 2019, 08:04:24 PM
Quote from: follow maggie on July 30, 2019, 07:54:40 PM
Quote from: kball4 on July 30, 2019, 10:41:56 AM
It's all to stay under the 14k lb max gross vehical weight to be able to drive it with a standard drivers license.

A cdl isn’t needed until weight is over 26,000

Some states have more restrictive limits though. Pretty sure they de-rate to the lowest denominator.

Well that makes sense. I wish they’d do it so I could get one to haul a host camper without having to spend money to get the gvw rerated.
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: Knocker of rocks on July 31, 2019, 08:23:32 AM: The traction unit limit is 26K, not 14K.

How heavy is the trailer

No states require a CDL at 14K, and very few require it for RV's of anysize.
Title: Re: F-450 thoughts
Post by: 2MANY on July 31, 2019, 08:32:13 AM: In other news I'm putting a 50 gallon tank under my wife's 15' F-350 today.
Finally that truck will be able to outrun the occupants bladders.