Post by: KFhunter on August 07, 2019, 11:55:04 AM
Post by: KFhunter on August 07, 2019, 12:10:08 PM
I have been noticing some disturbing wolf trends that suggest this area of the NE is about to enter a new level of wolf conflict. We're easily at level 5 and probably in some areas easily at level 6, but I think we're approaching level 7 by this fall or winter.
It's getting noticeably worse and rapidly doing so. Pups are out of the dens and growing fast, the adults are used to people and used to eating cattle, the pups are learning this behavior and will in turn pass it on themselves.
I think within 5 years most rural areas in the NE will be at level 7 (and above in some areas), we may even see level 9 be hit, then all hell will break loose.
I'm not chicken little, I try to be very realistic and so far all my wolf predictions have been correct.
Post by: idahohuntr on August 07, 2019, 12:41:11 PM
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/aug/04/study-in-idaho-cougars-kill-slightly-more-elk-than/
“On one side of the ledger you have a portion of the public that thinks that harvest is just going to send the wolves to extinction and that has not been the case,” he said of that 2018 study. “And then … there is a side that thinks wolves are taking over and they will grow without limits.”
Post by: KFhunter on August 07, 2019, 12:51:57 PM
As for where I put the level of conflict for this region of the NE its factual that WDFW has been removing wolves due to depredation on livestock, so level 5 is a conservative level to put it, and factual.
My prediction about the next 5 years is just that, MY prediction.
It's purely opinion on my part that within 5 years we'll see the progression from 5 to level 7 (and perhaps higher in some regions of the NE)
In the areas you hunt, what level of wolf conflict do you see Idahnter?
Post by: idahohuntr on August 07, 2019, 01:10:18 PM
This isn't a debate, do you have any input on the progression I've laid out in 1-10? Were some of the jumps too big? or too small? Did you vote in the poll?My input was very clear: your progression implies population growth without limits...and that's just not realistic.
As for where I put the level of conflict for this region of the NE its factual that WDFW has been removing wolves due to depredation on livestock, so level 5 is a conservative level to put it, and factual.
My prediction about the next 5 years is just that, MY prediction.
It's purely opinion on my part that within 5 years we'll see the progression from 5 to level 7 (and perhaps higher in some regions of the NE)
In the areas you hunt, what level of wolf conflict do you see Idahnter?
As for areas I hunt...that's a lot of areas and they range from zero presence of wolves to areas that have wolves. As far as impacts of wolves on game where they are present...its naïve to think abundance is easy to estimate and attribute to wolves alone...read the spokesman article as an example.
Post by: KFhunter on August 07, 2019, 01:20:14 PM
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on August 07, 2019, 01:21:10 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 07, 2019, 01:23:26 PM
I live in Pierce County. I know, your condolences are accepted. However I hunt in the Colville area where all the predators are going bonkers. I put down a 1 because there are no documented wolves on the Key Peninsula, unless you count politicians.
That's why I put where you live or hunt most of us on HW live in urban areas where there aren't any wolves. I live in the epi center of wolf conflict
Post by: Oh Mah on August 07, 2019, 02:09:29 PM
I also put 1 at this time for my area and where i hunt,without limits to the population in the near future it could easily go up.
THE NUMBERS HAVE NOT EXPLODED YET BUT WHEN THE NUMBERS ARE NEAR WHERE THEY ARE AT NOW EACH FEMALE PUTTING OUT SAY 6 PUPS EVERY YEAR IS COMPOUNDED.WHEN THE NUMBERS GET TO THE MAGIC POINT WITHOUT LIMITING THEM IT WILL EXPLODE AS THE COYOTE POPULATION HAS. :twocents:
Post by: benhuntin on August 07, 2019, 03:03:38 PM
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Post by: Oh Mah on August 07, 2019, 03:13:09 PM
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Post by: wolfbait on August 09, 2019, 05:34:03 AM
Good Poll KF!
H-W has come a long way in nine years, while WDF&Wolves have stayed the same....
Seven Stages Leading to A Wolf Attack on People
http://wolfeducationinternational.com/seven-stages-leading-to-a-wolf-attack-on-people/
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 10, 2019, 06:35:41 AM
Many areas to hunt that have zero wolves, but no zero on poll.
Post by: KFhunter on August 10, 2019, 12:24:23 PM
Nothing scientific about the poll, just curious how many are seeing impacts, not looking for anything in particular.
On a side note I spent the whole day yesterday in a heavily impacted wolf area from 3 and 4 years ago, it was a den site and old rendezvous area I wanted to see if anything lived or came back. I kept saying to myself "the woods are dead"
There's still a few deer, few elk, only found one fresh bear sign even though I had tons of thimble berries and hucks amoung other berries near water and shade, cool areas, strange to not see bears in old bear areas loaded with berries, all the bear scat was years old, none fresh. I was like wtheck are the bear??
And no cattle where there used to be lots.
The woods are dead.
Anyobe else been in a dead zone?
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Post by: hunter399 on August 10, 2019, 03:01:28 PM
thats why I put "or hunt"Yes very much so.
Nothing scientific about the poll, just curious how many are seeing impacts, not looking for anything in particular.
On a side note I spent the whole day yesterday in a heavily impacted wolf area from 3 and 4 years ago, it was a den site and old rendezvous area I wanted to see if anything lived or came back. I kept saying to myself "the woods are dead"
There's still a few deer, few elk, only found one fresh bear sign even though I had tons of thimble berries and hucks amoung other berries near water and shade, cool areas, strange to not see bears in old bear areas loaded with berries, all the bear scat was years old, none fresh. I was like wtheck are the bear??
And no cattle where there used to be lots.
The woods are dead.
Anyobe else been in a dead zone?
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Been out hunting bear with little sign,very few deer,any elk.
Seen this in one area , so you tell me if my area is impacted or not.
From my understanding this is part of the predator/prey study and if you ask them there just trapping coyote, But we all know what there really after .And last winter I did see a wolf in this area .But will be surprised if they can catch it.
Post by: bearpaw on August 10, 2019, 03:36:08 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on August 10, 2019, 05:06:16 PM
Post by: jasnt on August 10, 2019, 05:21:02 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 10, 2019, 05:29:03 PM
FYI. I picked 10. ......to hopefully not screw up what your looking for. Wanted to see poll results.
Many areas to hunt that have zero wolves, but no zero on poll.
added option 11