Post by: Angry Perch on August 30, 2019, 01:27:10 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/apnewsbreak-coming-to-national-park-trails-electric-bikes/
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on August 30, 2019, 01:34:04 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 30, 2019, 01:41:04 PM
imagine there'll be a lot of regular used bikes on the market soon.
they do make e bike kits to convert your bike though
Post by: ThurstonCokid on August 30, 2019, 01:45:14 PM
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Post by: jeffro on August 30, 2019, 01:48:28 PM
I just bought 2 peddle assist bikes. I won’t be using them for hunting, but maybe some backcountry riding.
Sounds like federal land only, as I read it
Post by: HntnFsh on August 30, 2019, 02:15:52 PM
Post by: opdinkslayer on August 30, 2019, 03:08:43 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on August 30, 2019, 03:42:19 PM
Bonus!
I just bought 2 peddle assist bikes. I won’t be using them for hunting, but maybe some backcountry riding.
Sounds like federal land only, as I read it
Yes, and federal land makes up 28.5% of Washington state.
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on August 30, 2019, 03:51:46 PM
On the hunting front, where are we going to draw the line on fair chase? Get a text message from your cell phone trail cam, hop on your ebike cruise into the backcountry, and blast away from 1200 yards with your laser rangefinder and sniper rifle. I’m getting a little sick of all the tech in hunting. :twocents:
Post by: Skillet on August 30, 2019, 04:21:32 PM
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Post by: pd on August 30, 2019, 04:33:28 PM
You all know the paved trails at Sunrise and Paradise, right? Asphalt through flowered meadows. Few of us on this forum would consider them "hiking trails," but for the old lady with a cane, or the disabled in a wheelchair these paths are the only way to experience the beauty of the national parks. I see e-bikes in the same way--they are essentially aids for those who no longer can ride on their own.
National parks are PARKS. Meaning, they are set aside for all of the public to enjoy. Why not let the handicapped (and, less-than-fit) to also enjoy them??
I was at the Wonderland Trail in Rainier this morning. It is already illegal to ride a bicycle on that trail. E-bikes will not be allowed, either.
I applaud the Trump administration to opening more lands to the public. Not for me, but good for Grandma.
Post by: dscubame on August 30, 2019, 05:40:20 PM
Post by: baldopepper on August 30, 2019, 06:50:27 PM
Post by: slavenoid on August 30, 2019, 07:01:08 PM
This decision is a good one--I have to disagree with many of you.
You all know the paved trails at Sunrise and Paradise, right? Asphalt through flowered meadows. Few of us on this forum would consider them "hiking trails," but for the old lady with a cane, or the disabled in a wheelchair these paths are the only way to experience the beauty of the national parks. I see e-bikes in the same way--they are essentially aids for those who no longer can ride on their own.
National parks are PARKS. Meaning, they are set aside for all of the public to enjoy. Why not let the handicapped (and, less-than-fit) to also enjoy them??
I was at the Wonderland Trail in Rainier this morning. It is already illegal to ride a bicycle on that trail. E-bikes will not be allowed, either.
I applaud the Trump administration to opening more lands to the public. Not for me, but good for Grandma.
I might agree if it was limited to parks, but it's doesn't appear that it is. I'm cool with Granny's on paved trails not cool with them ripping it up in the backcountry.
Post by: Bango skank on August 30, 2019, 07:05:57 PM
Better than horses / mules. Good decision.
The folks with horses and mules will still be there. This just adds a lot more people, as most folks dont have the land, time and money to have livestock, while getting an e bike and throwing it in your garage is within the means of anybody with a little disposable income.
Post by: cbond3318 on August 30, 2019, 07:10:51 PM
This decision is a good one--I have to disagree with many of you.
You all know the paved trails at Sunrise and Paradise, right? Asphalt through flowered meadows. Few of us on this forum would consider them "hiking trails," but for the old lady with a cane, or the disabled in a wheelchair these paths are the only way to experience the beauty of the national parks. I see e-bikes in the same way--they are essentially aids for those who no longer can ride on their own.
National parks are PARKS. Meaning, they are set aside for all of the public to enjoy. Why not let the handicapped (and, less-than-fit) to also enjoy them??
I was at the Wonderland Trail in Rainier this morning. It is already illegal to ride a bicycle on that trail. E-bikes will not be allowed, either.
I applaud the Trump administration to opening more lands to the public. Not for me, but good for Grandma.
I might agree if it was limited to parks, but it's doesn't appear that it is. I'm cool with Granny's on paved trails not cool with them ripping it up in the backcountry.
:yeah: across the board allowance is no Bueno. Hopefully this somehow gets revised in order to keep it narrowed.
Post by: Bango skank on August 30, 2019, 07:11:24 PM
. Not for me, but good for Grandma.
For every granny or disabled person using an e bike to access non motorized areas, there will be a hundred beer can tossing, road hunting lazy asses. Just slap a camo budweiser hat and an orange vest on this guy, and this is pretty much what we will be seeing on non motorized trails now.
Post by: Pegasus on August 30, 2019, 07:19:21 PM
Post by: Bango skank on August 30, 2019, 07:21:14 PM
Post by: Mudman on August 30, 2019, 07:23:02 PM
Post by: Pegasus on August 30, 2019, 07:44:34 PM
What do atvs have to do with non motorized trails?
Every time I hunt I see them where they are not supposed to be. They have no respect for the rules. They do far more damage than an E-bike ever will. Outlaw them and the horses first before restricting E-bikes. That won't happen because of the money involved in those two pastimes.
Post by: bigdub257 on August 30, 2019, 07:47:46 PM
What do atvs have to do with non motorized trails?
Every time I hunt I see them where they are not supposed to be. They have no respect for the rules. They do far more damage than an E-bike ever will. Outlaw them and the horses first before restricting E-bikes. That won't happen because of the money involved in those two pastimes.
:yeah:
Post by: highside74 on August 30, 2019, 08:06:01 PM
Pretty sure some of the usual suspects (Can Am, kawaski, Yamaha, Bass pro, etc) will be coming out soon with specialzed off road E-bikes. I think it would have been better to come out with a permit system allowing the elderly or disabled to apply for permission to use. I can see more bad coming from this than good.
Funny you should say this...Bass Pro has a QuietKat Ebike in the hunting area as of a week ago. $4100
Post by: kentrek on August 30, 2019, 08:08:19 PM
Really dont see how this is beneficial to hunters in anyway.. :twocents:
Post by: sagerat on August 30, 2019, 08:10:12 PM
Better than horses / mules. Good decision.
The folks with horses and mules will still be there. This just adds a lot more people, as most folks dont have the land, time and money to have livestock, while getting an e bike and throwing it in your garage is within the means of anybody with a little disposable income.
:yeah: I’m against it. If you can’t hike in get a mule and ride in. Hopefully this gets limited to small areas... or thrown out!
Post by: Pegasus on August 30, 2019, 08:11:15 PM
:bash: what's granny going to do when her e-bike dies and she cant self rescue...maybe they can do a special...buy 1 ebike & get a garmin inreach mini 50% off
Really dont see how this is beneficial to hunters in anyway.. :twocents:
You would if you were in your seventies or disabled.
Post by: andersonjk4 on August 30, 2019, 08:12:50 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 30, 2019, 08:14:10 PM
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Post by: Bango skank on August 30, 2019, 08:15:57 PM
:bash: what's granny going to do when her e-bike dies and she cant self rescue...maybe they can do a special...buy 1 ebike & get a garmin inreach mini 50% off
Really dont see how this is beneficial to hunters in anyway.. :twocents:
You would if you were in your seventies or disabled.
If youre in your 70s or disabled, maybe its just time to accept that non motorized areas are no longer an option. And lets be honest here. The number of elderly and disabled people taking advantage of this will be a very small percentage. It will mostly benefit the hordes of lazy fatasses. Otherwise, they would just make it a permit exception for disabled.
Post by: Bob33 on August 30, 2019, 08:24:44 PM
Post by: kentrek on August 30, 2019, 08:26:28 PM
:bash: what's granny going to do when her e-bike dies and she cant self rescue...maybe they can do a special...buy 1 ebike & get a garmin inreach mini 50% off
Really dont see how this is beneficial to hunters in anyway.. :twocents:
You would if you were in your seventies or disabled.
If youre in your 70s or disabled, maybe its just time to accept that non motorized areas are no longer an option.
Its 2019....we dont have to accept our gender let alone our age.. look at our president, he cant even accept his own skin color
When did we get so insecure
Post by: Igor on August 30, 2019, 08:33:18 PM
The reward for working hard to get five miles in a trail is the lack of hunting pressure. When the number of people able to easily get away from their vehicles and do what hikers have done will diminish the experience for everyone.
Except for the guy on the bike..................
Post by: kentrek on August 30, 2019, 08:37:27 PM
The reward for working hard to get five miles in a trail is the lack of hunting pressure. When the number of people able to easily get away from their vehicles and do what hikers have done will diminish the experience for everyone.
Except for the guy on the bike..................
No he too will get to enjoy the crowds and lack of game
Post by: baldopepper on August 30, 2019, 08:42:35 PM
Post by: bigdub257 on August 30, 2019, 08:54:22 PM
Post by: bornhunter on August 30, 2019, 08:57:04 PM
I'm in my seventies, can't get around quite like I used too but wouldn't consider riding an E-bike hunting. For me personally it just wouldn't seem like hunting. I remember seeing where people could go on the old Tote-Goats and where more modern dirt bikes go and can't help but think with newer batteries and electric motors you'll be seeing E-bikes in places you'd rather not see them. Never thought I'd see the day where hunters could accurately take animals out over 1,000+ yards but modern technology has made that fairly common. Seems to me this ruling could be opening another Pandora's box.
Post by: Crunchy on August 30, 2019, 09:16:58 PM
We allow horses into the backcountry that do far more damage. There are plenty of folks because of their age and/or disabilities that applaud this decision. Time now to open it up to everywhere bicycles are allowed. We stopped being able to criticize these bikes when we allowed the ATV's that we see almost everywhere and mountain bikers that have no concern for anyone else on the trails...
Yeah that!!!
Post by: GoldenRing270 on August 30, 2019, 09:19:50 PM
One day on my way home from work along a paved road I noticed someone on a non motorized road bicycle about 500 meters in front of me. We got into an impromptu race. I was gaining very slowly and he kept looking back to check my progress so I was pretty sure he was giving it everything he had trying to stay in front. It took me 5 miles to catch him and very slowly overtake him and there were several hills along the way. I passed him just in time to make the turn into my house.
I feel like I'm on both sides of this issue. I love the wilderness and love my solitude. On the other hand as long as motor size and top speed is restricted I often wonder why e-bikes shouldn't be allowed in places where you can ride a regular bicycle.
Either way electric bikes are an incredible thing. Something to be celebrated. Such a simple form of silent transportation which uses zero fossil fuels and is partially human powered. I encourage everyone to give it a try.
Post by: KFhunter on August 30, 2019, 09:28:00 PM
Interesting.
I hadn't thought of that angle.
Most folks would say you wouldn't get as much exercise on an e-bike, but your experience is showing that you actually get more due to the fun factor.
Is it an electric assist bike? Or a human assist the bike, bike?
Post by: High Climber on August 30, 2019, 09:42:02 PM
I got an e-bike in February and have put 800 miles on it. I still can't believe how fun it is to ride. I also can't believe how great of biking shape it has gotten me in. Before getting the e-bike I would get off our regular mtn bikes and walk up most hills. Doing a 10 mile ride on a flat road used to be a long ride for me. Since getting the e-bike I can power up hills on a regular bike and ride for 20+ miles. Most of my riding has been on forest service roads open to vehicles. The bikes motor is 500 watts (about like having an Olympic cyclist helping you out). In order to keep the bike moving up moderate/steep forest roads I have to pedal and am usually huffing and puffing. Also, going up hills really drains the battery and unless I am working and pedaling I could only travel a short distance. The bikes top speed is 20 mph and I would guess I average 10-12 mph going up most forest roads.Which one do you have?
One day on my way home from work along a paved road I noticed someone on a non motorized road bicycle about 500 meters in front of me. We got into an impromptu race. I was gaining very slowly and he kept looking back to check my progress so I was pretty sure he was giving it everything he had trying to stay in front. It took me 5 miles to catch him and very slowly overtake him and there were several hills along the way. I passed him just in time to make the turn into my house.
I feel like I'm on both sides of this issue. I love the wilderness and love my solitude. On the other hand as long as motor size and top speed is restricted I often wonder why e-bikes shouldn't be allowed in places where you can ride a regular bicycle.
Either way electric bikes are an incredible thing. Something to be celebrated. Such a simple form of silent transportation which uses zero fossil fuels and is partially human powered. I encourage everyone to give it a try.
Post by: GoldenRing270 on August 30, 2019, 09:45:25 PM
I love it. I have had a couple issues with it but the company offers a one year warranty and they truly stand behind it.
I went to the shop in Seattle and picked up the 2018 model on closeout for $400 dollars off since the new 2019 model was coming out. Got it for $1299. Then about a month later I noticed that I got a deposit for $200 from Rad. I called and they said that they figured out how to absorbs the tariffs and were sending everyone who purchased a bike in January/February $200. I couldn't believe it.
Post by: Crunchy on August 30, 2019, 09:50:31 PM
Rad Power bikes - Radrover
I love it. I have had a couple issues with it but the company offers a one year warranty and they truly stand behind it.
Same ones we use. We park our truck at camp, and rarely need to start it until it is time to head home. From camp we take the ebikes or quad depending how far from camp we hunt.
Post by: SGTDuffman on August 30, 2019, 09:57:35 PM
It’s irritating to have gotten up super early and hiked way back into an area on a closed timber road or something just to have some guy on a bike come screaming by as your approaching your area and make an S load of noise. Seems like the lazy way. Get up later, blow through making a ton of noise, completely oblivious to the herd of elk they just scared off, because they’re so focused on getting to wherever they never took the time to look around or stop and listen. I watch it happen sitting up on sours and stuff. See the logging roads and here some guy on a bike coming from a mile away. You might as well be driving a truck.
https://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/journals/pnw_2018_wisdom001.pdf
Post by: Crunchy on August 30, 2019, 10:11:43 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 30, 2019, 10:20:54 PM
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 31, 2019, 05:46:30 AM
Post by: Bob33 on August 31, 2019, 07:26:47 AM
This only effects federal lands under the Department of Interior (Park Service, Fish & Wildlife, Reclamation, and BLM.) It does NOT effect Forest Service, Army Corps of Engineers, state or private lands.That's much easier to accept. :tup:
Post by: aaronoto on August 31, 2019, 09:52:24 AM
Sounds like it is just national parks, where you can already bike. Did I miss something?
Nope, it's just everyone else seems to be missing what you just stated...
This is really not a big deal folks. Where you could ride your bike before, you still can, albeit now on an e-bike. Where you could NOT ride your bike before you are still NOT allowed to ride your bike. Simple as that.
Post by: SGTDuffman on August 31, 2019, 10:28:18 AM
Only thing on an ebike that makes noise is the brakes sometimes they get squeaky.
You can hear the tires on gravel from WAY off. It’s no quieter than a car or truck would be if someone was idling down the road. You can hear guys walking from a long ways off too if they don’t walk in the grass along the side instead. Gravel and quarry spall aren’t great for being quiet but they make cheap roads that last a while.
Post by: Pegasus on August 31, 2019, 12:16:54 PM
:bash: what's granny going to do when her e-bike dies and she cant self rescue...maybe they can do a special...buy 1 ebike & get a garmin inreach mini 50% off
Really dont see how this is beneficial to hunters in anyway.. :twocents:
You would if you were in your seventies or disabled.
If youre in your 70s or disabled, maybe its just time to accept that non motorized areas are no longer an option. And lets be honest here. The number of elderly and disabled people taking advantage of this will be a very small percentage. It will mostly benefit the hordes of lazy fatasses. Otherwise, they would just make it a permit exception for disabled.
Be careful what you wish for, you just might get your wish when you are in your seventies or you, heaven forbid, become disabled. I missed hunting for seven years due to numerous health issues. I am now able to hunt but Father Time has made it much more difficult. Should I just quit hunting as you suggest and accept it or should I plow ahead and try to still enjoy my hunts albeit in a much more limited fashion? I doubt when you are my age that you will quit hunting and spend your time watching "The View" and "Dr. Phil". An E-bike provides at least some assistance to a worn out body and allows me to get out more often. My only complaint about the E-bike is that there are very few places that you can legally ride it unless you want to battle automobiles. Any legislation that opens that door for me or others is appreciated. This state passed a law saying my e-bike is considered a bicycle and I can legally ride it on a sidewalk and yet most trails state "No motorized vehicles" and that includes my e-bike. If my e-bike is legally a bicycle then let me ride it anywhere that a bicycle is authorized.
Post by: dc on August 31, 2019, 06:07:56 PM
Post by: gasman on August 31, 2019, 07:49:18 PM
Typical NIMBY responses.
Post by: bbarnes on August 31, 2019, 09:21:13 PM
Post by: jstone on August 31, 2019, 09:24:02 PM
Don’t accept it
Post by: Oh Mah on August 31, 2019, 09:37:59 PM
A bunch of the other posts,wow.Here we go again user group against user group.All these Americans on here talking about rights to do this rights to do that and they join in on this bashing.Hey all you anti e-bikers you sound just like the anti gun crowd,Here i'll tell you what i tell them.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE E-BIKES DON'T BUY THEM,BUT DON'T TREAD ON MY RIGHT TO BE WHATEVER I WANT AND USE.
Give me a break. :bash:
Post by: KFhunter on August 31, 2019, 09:52:18 PM
If you leave an e bike in the woods while hunting is it abandoned?
How to secure your e bike while hunting?
Someone stole my ebike battery and left me a dead one!
what ebike GPS app do you use?
I hate road hunters and their ebikes
e-trikes?
did you chip your ebike for more power?
ebike tire socks for winter riding!
Post by: jstone on September 01, 2019, 08:23:55 AM
Post by: Pegasus on September 01, 2019, 08:42:19 AM
My specialized peddle mountain bike gets me away from most people. Also helps haul my animals out. And I’m 50.
Wait until you are seventy plus...
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 01, 2019, 09:13:53 AM
Post by: jstone on September 01, 2019, 09:23:55 AM
Montana
Idaho
Colorado
Utah
Post by: Bob33 on September 01, 2019, 09:38:22 AM
Post by: bbarnes on September 01, 2019, 10:05:21 AM
Post by: Mudman on September 01, 2019, 10:53:43 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 01, 2019, 11:26:06 AM
Better than horses / mules. Good decision.:yeah:
Post by: Crunchy on September 01, 2019, 11:32:56 AM
Post by: snake on September 01, 2019, 08:19:04 PM