Post by: curtdiesel on September 30, 2019, 04:31:07 PM
This year I purchased a 209 bare primer Knight Ultralite. I have been using Triple 7 pellets and the same 300gr TC Shockwave .50 cal bullets with Winchester blue box 209 primers. I have not been happy with the Triple 7 pellets. I don't like having to swab between shots. 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th shots get very hard to load. The ram rod does not go as far into the barrel when loading follow up shots. Is there really that much fowling and residue taking up the extra space?
I am planning to try Blackhorn 209 loose powder. I am hoping it will load better and more consistently. What is some of the best equipment I should get to make loading easy? I am hoping to find a good speed loader that would hold my 300 grain T/C Shockwave bullet, 120 volumetric units of blackthorn 209, and a Federal 209a or Winchester primer. It would be great if it had a bullet starter/palm saver but that could be separate and something else that I am looking for opinions on which one to get.
I am planning to replace my Easton Ramrod with a SpinJag ramrod with original spinjag.
Thank you for your thoughts.
Curt
Post by: CP on September 30, 2019, 04:43:43 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 30, 2019, 05:03:38 PM
Post by: Smokeploe on September 30, 2019, 05:29:12 PM
When you get that then play with the load to get the accuracy you want, that will be +\- 10-15%, any thing more than that you are just wasting powder you don't get any more benefit from more powder. This was taught to me by a gentleman who was in his eighthies, back in the late 1960's. He only used a Kentucky long rifle 50 cal., nothing else. To prove that we laid two white bed sheets out on the ground end to end in front of the barrel and loaded and shot loads up to 120 grains with a 325 gr real bullet 50 cal. . The load for my rifle was using 82 grains of 3f. Above 95 grains there was a large amount of unburned powder on the sheets, the higher the charge the more unburned powder.
These newer substitutes are still configured to burn like black powder, the results should be the same. I have not used them I like what I use in my long rifle, which is 5" longer than the newer rifle today, so I could use more powder than most.
Smokeploe
Post by: M_ray on September 30, 2019, 05:33:39 PM
I said it on another thread here recently too and that is just because it worked on your old gun doesnt mean it will work on your new barrel. Every gun is different even if its the exact gun! You may need to change things around or even go with a different bullet. I would try the loose first and even go down in grains before I'd switch from the shock wave though, that is an awesome bullet and performs perfect I've killed Elk out to 200 yards with it.
Post by: M_ray on September 30, 2019, 05:35:57 PM
Post by: grundy53 on September 30, 2019, 06:05:14 PM
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Post by: Smokeploe on September 30, 2019, 10:26:13 PM
no problem we are just trying to help out someone who asked for help. Every rifle is different just like everything else the is made by man, just the way it is. When I worked at the gun store had two rifles the were consecutive serial numbers. One shot great, tight groups everything right, the sister gun best group was 2", that was the smallest we could get even with spec. out reloads.
Smokeploe
Post by: curtdiesel on October 01, 2019, 10:10:13 AM
What equipment should I look for to make measuring, loading and shooting powder easier. What drew me to the pellets was that they were easy.
Curt
Post by: BeerBugler on October 01, 2019, 10:40:08 AM
Powder measurer
Speed loaders (optional)
And yes, a bullet starter is nice,, I like the 3-way short/long/with ramrod hole
Also the proper bullet alignment adapter for your bullet
I know with the cva accura they recommend a different breech plug to go from pellets to loose powder, not sure about your particular ML.
Post by: slowhand on October 01, 2019, 10:49:17 AM
Post by: curtdiesel on October 01, 2019, 11:04:12 AM
Curt
Post by: slowhand on October 01, 2019, 11:07:18 AM
Post by: M_ray on October 01, 2019, 12:14:46 PM
I have a clear T/C plastic powder measure that I love. I'm sure they still sell it
:yeah:
Post by: Lyons on October 01, 2019, 01:05:05 PM
Post by: curtdiesel on October 01, 2019, 01:07:42 PM
Post by: Lyons on October 01, 2019, 03:31:29 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on October 01, 2019, 05:47:10 PM
Post by: Lyons on October 01, 2019, 06:30:57 PM
To much powder. Double the bore size. 50 cal do 100 grains. Or 110 grains max. Lucky you don’t blow it up or cease the breach threads.
Me? Or the OP?
Post by: curtdiesel on October 01, 2019, 06:55:50 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on October 01, 2019, 06:58:58 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 01, 2019, 07:31:15 PM
Yeah, I'm confused. I have been using only two 50 grain pellets of Triple 7. I don't understand why everyone keeps saying too much powder. I mentioned 120 grains volumetric of BH209 because that was on the load sheet from their website I read. I see it is max and am glad for the advice to start lower around 90-100 grains. I am hoping to get some more advice on the other questions in the original post.
In my limited experience, I’ve been told/taught that loose powder burns a lot more efficiently than the pellets. The pellets are too dense and harder to get them to burn. I’d just go with loose powder. It’s a tiny inconvenience in terms of ease and the results are seemingly always better.
Post by: jackelope on October 01, 2019, 07:31:58 PM
As many have said. To much powder. I shoot 110 grain 3f 777. I can shoot a whole pack of bullets before they start getting tuff to get down the barrel.
Are you shooting 209’s?
Post by: teanawayslayer on October 01, 2019, 07:35:01 PM
nope. I haven’t switched and don’t plan to. What I use works great!As many have said. To much powder. I shoot 110 grain 3f 777. I can shoot a whole pack of bullets before they start getting tuff to get down the barrel.
Are you shooting 209’s?
Post by: M_ray on October 01, 2019, 08:07:50 PM
To much powder. Double the bore size. 50 cal do 100 grains. Or 110 grains max. Lucky you don’t blow it up or cease the breach threads.
:You do realize that some Muzzy’s these days are rated to 150 grns??? I only shoot 100 grns cause that’s where my gun groups best but it’s max load is rated at 150 and I’ve shot that before with no problems. :dunno:
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 01, 2019, 08:18:24 PM
Pellets suck. Just one more thing to worry about going wrong when there are already enough variables to consider.
Post by: beav1980 on October 09, 2019, 01:27:33 PM
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