Post by: Mr Mykiss on October 04, 2019, 11:10:39 AM
To rehash an old thread/debate....2019 application summaries are out. I dunno if anyone heard but da MeatEater crew shot a big old bull in the Mountain View unit and then spoke openly about the locations/trails/etc.
2018 Apps 2019 Apps % increase
Rifle 428 489 14.3
Archery 114 188 64.9
Muzzy 59 145 145.9
Total 601 822 36.8
Post by: ELKBURGER on October 04, 2019, 11:15:02 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 04, 2019, 11:22:57 AM
Post by: Mtnwalker on October 04, 2019, 11:34:36 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 04, 2019, 12:01:17 PM
What do the rest of the blues units look like? Is there a correlation between tag decreases in Yakima GMU's as well as the continued decrease in elk numbers in other units such as Dayton that are moving apps around? So basically applicants jumping ship on normal choices and applying elsewhere?
This is a legit question.
Post by: blackpowderhunter on October 04, 2019, 12:20:00 PM
What do the rest of the blues units look like? Is there a correlation between tag decreases in Yakima GMU's as well as the continued decrease in elk numbers in other units such as Dayton that are moving apps around? So basically applicants jumping ship on normal choices and applying elsewhere?i'd say this contributed more than the rinella effect.
look at the bull tag number drops for observatory and the like.
those would be interesting numbers to look at from 18-19
Post by: Mr Mykiss on October 04, 2019, 12:22:17 PM
It is. I'd think that the Quality elk apps would be largely independent of the Yakima Herd effect as most of those hunts, the rifle ones, are Bull hunts and not quality hunts.What do the rest of the blues units look like? Is there a correlation between tag decreases in Yakima GMU's as well as the continued decrease in elk numbers in other units such as Dayton that are moving apps around? So basically applicants jumping ship on normal choices and applying elsewhere?
This is a legit question.
I'm not gonna break down every hunt. This is more just for the wagers waged...I know there were a few :)
Post by: Bob33 on October 04, 2019, 12:27:42 PM
I'm not sure if the data comes from the same sources but it should be representative.
Post by: Mtnwalker on October 04, 2019, 12:36:11 PM
Post by: outdooraddict on October 04, 2019, 12:41:06 PM
Post by: Johnny Doe on October 04, 2019, 12:48:22 PM
this is prob a rediculos question but i gotta ask and clear it up. so there were 713 differnet individuals in the watershed applicaiton pool? now square those peopla lot, some more than others and that is the total number of names in the hat? so lets say all watershed applications had 3 points so is that 713x713x713? for total names in the hat?
NO
You can get a total number of applicants using the more detailed report from WDFW on how many applicants there were with how many points. Mr. Mykiss might calculate for you...
Post by: Odell on October 04, 2019, 12:56:46 PM
I got beat up a bit last year for my opinion on this, but I think this is completely to be expected when a hunting celebrity does what Rinella did. I'm glad he apologized and regrets it.
All that said, does anyone know if that podcast is still up with the original information? With the upcoming video release of that hunt I hope they delete the podcast or have someone bleep out the specifics. It would take less than an hour of work to edit it and even less time to pull it.
Post by: Johnny Doe on October 04, 2019, 01:18:32 PM
All a person has to do is Google "mountain view elk" guess where that leads...
:twocents:
Post by: jmscon on October 04, 2019, 02:33:40 PM
Post by: Bob33 on October 04, 2019, 03:24:08 PM
This report shows the number of applications and applicants by point total: https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2019-09/2019%20Quality%20Elk%20drawing%20results%20by%20hunt%20number.pdfthis is prob a rediculos question but i gotta ask and clear it up. so there were 713 differnet individuals in the watershed applicaiton pool? now square those peopla lot, some more than others and that is the total number of names in the hat? so lets say all watershed applications had 3 points so is that 713x713x713? for total names in the hat?
NO
You can get a total number of applicants using the more detailed report from WDFW on how many applicants there were with how many points. Mr. Mykiss might calculate for you...
Post by: Odell on October 04, 2019, 03:58:31 PM
I think the unit got more publicity from people on this website than Rinella, but that definitely added to it.
All a person has to do is Google "mountain view elk" guess where that leads...
:twocents:
and that thread exists because...kind of a chicken or egg thing. None of this happens if Rinella doesn't explicitly say unit name, roads, trailheads etc.
I would bet the episode has way more downloads than the Hunt WA thread has unique views, even then you have to try to suss out how many people came to the hunt wa thread because they googled mt view elk...because they heard about it from Meateater. Hunting forums have figured out the hard way that you don't post up specifics about units and the thread on Hunt WA would never even exist if Meateater hadn't put it all out
Post by: kentrek on October 04, 2019, 04:08:41 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 04, 2019, 08:47:56 PM
I used to have my hunting areas to myself. Until the internet...Alpine lakes was a ghost town in the 90s ... Peach's ridge, I could go a week without seeing anyone....now every Joe dick and Harry hunts them..I specifically hunt places now that don't have cell service, that at least cuts down on some of the weekend warriors... :rolleyes:
Post by: blackpowderhunter on October 05, 2019, 09:11:31 PM
reason i ask is this would have been interesting had rinella done that to a specific hunt in Idaho, or Colorado.
THEN i guarantee app's would have jumped 50% or more.
That is one thing WA is borderline immune to...insane amounts of non resident influx.
double edged sword though because it just means our game dept. can't manage for shiz :chuckle: :bash:
Post by: Dan-o on October 07, 2019, 09:48:59 PM
Hold the phone!! Winner winner chicken dinner! Although winning is really losing here. @Dan-o
@Mtnwalker
Good on you, sir.
My charity of choice: Genesis Project
https://www.genesisnow.org/
Love this place.
Post by: huntnnw on October 07, 2019, 11:53:17 PM
Post by: Shawn Ryan on October 08, 2019, 05:55:27 PM
Archery hunter that I was helping connected with a small (for the unit) 6x6 and I heard of another 5x5 killed. Anyone else know of kills in the unit this year?
Post by: Mr Mykiss on October 08, 2019, 06:23:38 PM
Post by: Mtnwalker on October 08, 2019, 07:18:19 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on October 08, 2019, 07:46:38 PM
Post by: Dan-o on October 08, 2019, 09:29:49 PM
I see it as a W for da Walker...
Well............ Looks like one of us needs to learn how to read.
And that one is me.
Sorry, don't know what I was thinking.........................................
Mtnwalker, send me your charity of choice and I will pay up.
@Mtnwalker
Post by: Mr Mykiss on October 09, 2019, 05:07:45 AM
Post by: Dan-o on October 10, 2019, 09:42:37 PM
I’ll take Backcountry Hunters and Anglers for $100 Dan-O :IBCOOL:
NICE! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
@Mtnwalker
Don't leave me hanging.
I've been having a recurring nightmare where Hunt Wa people say:
"So Maggie J and Don-O don't pay off their bets."
Have a heart and tell me which charity to pay off, so I can sleep w/o fear.
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on October 10, 2019, 10:09:39 PM
Post by: Dan-o on October 11, 2019, 08:52:53 PM
New season of meateater that I assume will show this hunt airs in about a week. Will be interesting to see the app numbers next year as well.
Wanna bet?
Oh, wait......
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 11, 2019, 09:31:18 PM
I’ll take Backcountry Hunters and Anglers for $100 Dan-O :IBCOOL:
NICE! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
@Mtnwalker
Don't leave me hanging.
I've been having a recurring nightmare where Hunt Wa people say:
"So Maggie J and Don-O don't pay off their bets."
Have a heart and tell me which charity to pay off, so I can sleep w/o fear.
That’s funny. I forgot about that one. He sent me a message even after I told him he didn’t need to worry about it to insist on sending some ammo my way. Never showed and I’ve been waiting to see what surprise would come my way ever since :chuckle:
Water under the bridge... but yeah, you’re basically mags now.
Post by: Odell on October 17, 2019, 12:14:32 PM
New season of meateater that I assume will show this hunt airs in about a week. Will be interesting to see the app numbers next year as well.
Hopefully they aren’t as explicit with the details this time. I’d be shocked if they were.
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Post by: cryder on October 19, 2019, 11:14:08 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 20, 2019, 08:05:06 AM
New season of meateater that I assume will show this hunt airs in about a week. Will be interesting to see the app numbers next year as well.
Hopefully they aren’t as explicit with the details this time. I’d be shocked if they were.
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Watching it right now and so far not allot of details
Post by: CaNINE on October 20, 2019, 06:58:40 PM
Post by: meatwhack on October 20, 2019, 07:09:36 PM