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Title: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 22, 2019, 05:40:58 PM
Here I am sitting watching a field for deer and gaizing at a couple nice bucks way long ways off through my spotter. This rig pulls up, looks them over and drives on. A red minutes later I hear a shot out there and turn my spotter back. To see a dead buck in the field and the truck racing out into the field. They stop and 3 guys jump out and throw it in the back and then race away. Pretty *censored* in this area.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 22, 2019, 05:42:24 PM
That stuff boils my blood! Used to see shoot and drags all the time over in the palouse. And people wonder why it's hard to get private access these days >:(
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 22, 2019, 05:44:48 PM
That stuff boils my blood! Used to see shoot and drags all the time over in the palouse. And people wonder why it's hard to get private access these days >:(
Oh and me both.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: mfswallace on October 22, 2019, 05:45:22 PM
And authorities called?
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 22, 2019, 05:47:42 PM
And authorities called?
Not dirt I have any permission on or say in. I don’t even know who owns it. No much to go on. Send a pm if you want location.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: brew on October 22, 2019, 06:25:10 PM
ok i'm pretty confused right now...I see a pic of a truck with a couple guys near the back.  someone posting they think they saw something "shady" but they can't say who owns the land  or even confirms they have permission to hunt on it....a lot of stuff need clarification. 
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 22, 2019, 06:29:13 PM
Pretty obvious they are up to no good..no orange, no time for pics, no gutting, ...like Karl said...shoot and grab ... before the land owner knows what's going on they are gone...
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: brew on October 22, 2019, 06:39:14 PM
Pretty obvious they are up to no good..no orange, no time for pics, no gutting, ...like Karl said...shoot and grab ... before the land owner knows what's going on they are gone...
wow...can you please tell me what type of PC you have to be able to see and discern all of that info you have ?  all I see are a couple guys at the back of a truck.  OP says they don't even know who owns the land ????  I may be totally wrong but cant glean much information from the post
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: trophyhunt on October 22, 2019, 06:43:05 PM
Going with my gut on this one, not normal, I’d bet my azz they are poaching!
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Mfowl on October 22, 2019, 06:54:00 PM
I'd definitely call it in and offer the pics/location. Someone from that house in the back may have seen it and this could corroborate the story. It may get you some poacher points too, why not?
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 22, 2019, 06:56:53 PM
ok i'm pretty confused right now...I see a pic of a truck with a couple guys near the back.  someone posting they think they saw something "shady" but they can't say who owns the land  or even confirms they have permission to hunt on it....a lot of stuff need clarification.
It was very clear these guys shot the buck from the truck on a public road. They also tore into and out of that field in a hurry and were running around loading the deer. The land is in a trust so no I don’t know who owns it.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: brew on October 22, 2019, 07:01:20 PM
ok....this makes more sense than the original post.  Thanks for the clarification.  not trying to say you were wrong just confused for a bit
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 22, 2019, 07:04:25 PM
Pretty obvious they are up to no good..no orange, no time for pics, no gutting, ...like Karl said...shoot and grab ... before the land owner knows what's going on they are gone...
wow...can you please tell me what type of PC you have to be able to see and discern all of that info you have ?  all I see are a couple guys at the back of a truck.  OP says they don't even know who owns the land ????  I may be totally wrong but cant glean much information from the post

No PC but reasonable suspicion based on the information I have and pretty sure the local gamie would agree.. enough to stop and I'd the truck and occupants....at a minimum contact the house in the area to find the property owner. Because alot of times property owners don't know a crime was committed until they are notified...or I guess you can turn a blind eye to possible criminal activity, let them continue to poach and tresspass, and live in your secluded little world..to each there own.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: brew on October 22, 2019, 07:20:41 PM
Pretty obvious they are up to no good..no orange, no time for pics, no gutting, ...like Karl said...shoot and grab ... before the land owner knows what's going on they are gone...
wow...can you please tell me what type of PC you have to be able to see and discern all of that info you have ?  all I see are a couple guys at the back of a truck.  OP says they don't even know who owns the land ????  I may be totally wrong but cant glean much information from the post

No PC but reasonable suspicion based on the information I have and pretty sure the local gamie would agree.. enough to stop and I'd the truck and occupants....at a minimum contact the house in the area to find the property owner. Because alot of times property owners don't know a crime was committed until they are notified...or I guess you can turn a blind eye to possible criminal activity, let them continue to poach and tresspass, and live in your secluded little world..to each there own.
all I ways saying was with the OP there was no way a reasonable person could determine what was possibly going on.  pics of a couple guys behind a truck, misspelled words and a confusing story.  OP said its trust land so it's not private.  He never said in the first post where the shot came from.  its obvious they are not wearing hunter orange but there is no way to tell what they are doing.  He finally verified that in his last post after I said I was confused as to what was happening.  and yes I will continue to live in my secluded little world not assuming what other people are doing until I have proof of that.  I don't turn a blind eye to criminal activity but I don't spout what I think is happening without some facts.  Reasonable suspicion my ass...if a reasonable person read the original post they would be as confused as 99.9% of the rest of us are
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 22, 2019, 07:21:19 PM
I just made an online report. Hopefully someone else witnessed it and did also, or they contact me.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 22, 2019, 07:23:20 PM
Pretty obvious they are up to no good..no orange, no time for pics, no gutting, ...like Karl said...shoot and grab ... before the land owner knows what's going on they are gone...
wow...can you please tell me what type of PC you have to be able to see and discern all of that info you have ?  all I see are a couple guys at the back of a truck.  OP says they don't even know who owns the land ????  I may be totally wrong but cant glean much information from the post

No PC but reasonable suspicion based on the information I have and pretty sure the local gamie would agree.. enough to stop and I'd the truck and occupants....at a minimum contact the house in the area to find the property owner. Because alot of times property owners don't know a crime was committed until they are notified...or I guess you can turn a blind eye to possible criminal activity, let them continue to poach and tresspass, and live in your secluded little world..to each there own.
all I ways saying was with the OP there was no way a reasonable person could determine what was possibly going on.  pics of a couple guys behind a truck, misspelled words and a confusing story.  OP said its trust land so it's not private.  He never said in the first post where the shot came from.  its obvious they are not wearing hunter orange but there is no way to tell what they are doing.  He finally verified that in his last post after I said I was confused as to what was happening.  and yes I will continue to live in my secluded little world not assuming what other people are doing until I have proof of that.  I don't turn a blind eye to criminal activity but I don't spout what I think is happening without some facts.  Reasonable suspicion my ass...if a reasonable person read the original post they would be as confused as 99.9% of the rest of us are
I guess since I can’t spell on my phone and it autocorrects that deletes all credibility I have... good to know.

Also this is land in a trust and is most certainly private property.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: h20hunter on October 22, 2019, 07:34:39 PM
Trust your gut. Call it in. Provide what you know factually. For me, easy as that.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 22, 2019, 07:40:31 PM
Trust your gut. Call it in. Provide what you know factually. For me, easy as that.
Already done
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: brew on October 22, 2019, 07:42:14 PM
Pretty obvious they are up to no good..no orange, no time for pics, no gutting, ...like Karl said...shoot and grab ... before the land owner knows what's going on they are gone...
wow...can you please tell me what type of PC you have to be able to see and discern all of that info you have ?  all I see are a couple guys at the back of a truck.  OP says they don't even know who owns the land ????  I may be totally wrong but cant glean much information from the post

No PC but reasonable suspicion based on the information I have and pretty sure the local gamie would agree.. enough to stop and I'd the truck and occupants....at a minimum contact the house in the area to find the property owner. Because alot of times property owners don't know a crime was committed until they are notified...or I guess you can turn a blind eye to possible criminal activity, let them continue to poach and tresspass, and live in your secluded little world..to each there own.
all I ways saying was with the OP there was no way a reasonable person could determine what was possibly going on.  pics of a couple guys behind a truck, misspelled words and a confusing story.  OP said its trust land so it's not private.  He never said in the first post where the shot came from.  its obvious they are not wearing hunter orange but there is no way to tell what they are doing.  He finally verified that in his last post after I said I was confused as to what was happening.  and yes I will continue to live in my secluded little world not assuming what other people are doing until I have proof of that.  I don't turn a blind eye to criminal activity but I don't spout what I think is happening without some facts.  Reasonable suspicion my ass...if a reasonable person read the original post they would be as confused as 99.9% of the rest of us are
I guess since I can’t spell on my phone and it autocorrects that deleteIs all credibility I have... good to know.

Also this is land in a trust and is most certainly private property.
hey lets take a time out here...i'm not saying anybody is wrong or doesn't have credibility.  all I am asking is go back and read the original post .  look at that and with just that information what could a reasonable person determine from that---IMHO nothing as there is not enough information/picture evidence to make a determination.  I'm not saying that the people you saw did anything legal but with the limited info we had from the original post there was no way anyone could make a determination on what was right/legal or what was wrong/illegal.  I despise poaching and was just saying by reading the original post that there was no way a reasonable person could determine legality or not.  I've been on the site long enough to see enough arm-chair quarterbacks to give their opinions.  All I am saying is that reading the original post and looking at the pics you really couldn't tell what was going on.  Turn their asses in and hope they get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law if they are found to have poached a deer
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: rtspring on October 22, 2019, 08:02:35 PM
Whats with you people calling the damn gamies, did you actually see a crime?

Have some facts!!!! I had the gamies called on me yet again this weekend!!! By POINT HUNTERS!!!! No laws were broken and the two yahoos wasted a gamies time...  it gets old with this eyes in the woods crap... 
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: h20hunter on October 22, 2019, 08:04:08 PM
The gamies time is meant to be spent investigating concerns.  I see nothing wrong with a concerned hunter asking for a gamie to do their job.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 22, 2019, 08:08:43 PM
Most crimes are solved because concerned people call in suspicious activity. Not everyone is going to know for sure if a crime has been committed. So the prudent thing to do is report it..
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: rtspring on October 22, 2019, 08:11:55 PM
The gamies time is meant to be spent investigating concerns.  I see nothing wrong with a concerned hunter asking for a gamie to do their job.

So you call the cops when someone is speeding?  Every time you hear a gunshot in the woods?  Seeing a crime, and maybe a crime are two different entities
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: rtspring on October 22, 2019, 08:13:49 PM
Most crimes are solved because concerned people call in suspicious activity. Not everyone is going to know for sure if a crime has been committed. So the prudent thing to do is report it..

Prudent thing is to mind your own business sometimes too.   Wear the other shoe sometime and you might feel a different way. 
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Taco280AI on October 22, 2019, 08:14:35 PM
It's not hurting anything to report it and maybe some good will come of it.

On one hand, nothing comes from it, no harm no foul.
On the other, maybe this leads to some poaching busts.

Either way based on what the OP thinks happened, it's worth reporting then the authorities can decide what to do next.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Doublelunger on October 22, 2019, 08:17:32 PM
If they didn't gut it then they were up to no good.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 22, 2019, 08:17:52 PM
The gamies time is meant to be spent investigating concerns.  I see nothing wrong with a concerned hunter asking for a gamie to do their job.

So you call the cops when someone is speeding?  Every time you hear a gunshot in the woods?  Seeing a crime, and maybe a crime are two different entities

Yes people call 911 for speeders, gun shots in the woods, barking dogs, etc...it doesn't hurt to report something.

Sometimes those waste of time calls actually turn into a serious crime..the speeding car is stolen, the gun shots in the woods was a murder, the dog is barking cause his owner is dead...those are all personal experience scenarios..so yes, reporting suspicious activity is a good idea.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Taco280AI on October 22, 2019, 08:18:52 PM
Most crimes are solved because concerned people call in suspicious activity. Not everyone is going to know for sure if a crime has been committed. So the prudent thing to do is report it..

Prudent thing is to mind your own business sometimes too.   Wear the other shoe sometime and you might feel a different way.

So if you see a car swerving all over the road you just say it isn't your problem? After all, you don't know for certain if they're drunk or not. Maybe they're just lost and looking for the street signs. Never mind the innocent family that gets crashed into by the drunk driver, it's none of your business  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Buckhunter28 on October 22, 2019, 08:19:08 PM
If someone saw me do something they thought was potentially against the law, I'd have no problem talking with a game officer as I'm in no sort of trouble and get it sorted out, may be a small inconvenience but as hunters I see it as our duty to do all we can in the upholding of laws in the woods, after all we are the number one contributors to conservation. We have the most eyes in the woods and each poacher we can stop because of suspicious activity is a victory in my book, our wildlife needs our help. Props to @BULLBLASTER for giving it a call in! :tup: Best of luck to all out still hunting!
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: full choke on October 22, 2019, 08:19:49 PM
Whats with you people calling the damn gamies, did you actually see a crime?

Have some facts!!!! I had the gamies called on me yet again this weekend!!! By POINT HUNTERS!!!! No laws were broken and the two yahoos wasted a gamies time...  it gets old with this eyes in the woods crap...

Why did they call the game cops on you? What was the concern?
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: h20hunter on October 22, 2019, 08:22:28 PM
The gamies time is meant to be spent investigating concerns.  I see nothing wrong with a concerned hunter asking for a gamie to do their job.

So you call the cops when someone is speeding?  Every time you hear a gunshot in the woods?  Seeing a crime, and maybe a crime are two different entities

I do not. If I saw someone speeding and driving reckless in a school zone, which I believe is more of a relate to the OP stated scenario,  then yes I would. Also, if I saw two hunters in a truck mixing jim beam and mixers I would call that in as well.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: bobcat on October 22, 2019, 08:29:01 PM
If someone saw me do something they thought was potentially against the law, I'd have no problem talking with a game officer as I'm in no sort of trouble and get it sorted out, may be a small inconvenience but as hunters I see it as our duty to do all we can in the upholding of laws in the woods, after all we are the number one contributors to conservation. We have the most eyes in the woods and each poacher we can stop because of suspicious activity is a victory in my book, our wildlife needs our help. Props to @BULLBLASTER for giving it a call in! :tup: Best of luck to all out still hunting!

Well said
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: tgomez on October 22, 2019, 08:30:50 PM
Shouldn't be shooting any rifles that close to those houses regardless if it wasn't poaching. That's my  :twocents:
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Buckhunter24 on October 22, 2019, 08:46:46 PM
 :yeah:
If they didn't gut it then they were up to no good.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: jmscon on October 22, 2019, 09:21:27 PM
I would actually call it in, their online report is not very quick.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on October 22, 2019, 09:27:25 PM
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck.....
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 23, 2019, 05:07:09 AM
then its a chicken
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Bango skank on October 23, 2019, 05:40:33 AM
All the signs are there that this was not on the up and up.  Doesnt look like you got a plate number, so likely wont be much the gamies can do, but i would call them, and give them the pics.  They can decide if its worth their time to look into it further, if they have enough to go on.  It could be that theyll recognize the rig and the m.o.  couple guys around my area were well known by the game wardens and the locals for pulling this same crap.  It caught up with them eventually.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: NOCK NOCK on October 23, 2019, 07:37:03 AM
If they didn't gut it then they were up to no good.


Not true,

I have many times not gutted. Shot a doe this past weekend, rolled/drug it about a mile before gutting...keeps the meat wayyyyy cleaner.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on October 23, 2019, 07:21:50 PM
They probably won’t respond at all. It’s not shell fish.  As far as they’re privacy when reporting...  let’s just say they make it obvious by showing no discretion when confronting accused person.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: dwils233 on October 23, 2019, 07:52:47 PM
Some people are trying to turn this into the investigation of the century. In this situation, it's not crazy to call a game warden if you saw something suspicious. I have to find magone a game warden a first move would be to contact the landowner/administrator and find out if anyone had. Permission to be out there.

Then they just follow the facts....pretty straightforward. It's not like they just instantly run out and harass any hunters they can find.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: buckfvr on October 23, 2019, 09:07:03 PM
If they didn't gut it then they were up to no good.

I/we have moved plenty of deer before gutting.......not a crime, and shows no evil intent.  How ever, in this case it could lead you to believe they were in a hurry to get away as Im sure they were.  Did they break some laws?????? It looks like it.  Did they have licenses and tag the animal ?????  who knows, and who knows if they should burn as "poachers", or just be cited for the laws they broke while in the act of otherwise legally hunting.

I just cant seem to buy into this mentality that everyone who may have or might be breaking a law should be labeled as a "poacher" when that is such a loose description to throw around so freely as it is here. Whos definition of poacher ?????  If its not shot out of season or by unlicensed non tag holders, then the crimes would be other than poaching imho.  THeres more than a few hunters out there who have been cited for violations while hunting and been allowed to keep their game and NOT been labeled as a poacher.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: fliesitdies on October 23, 2019, 09:49:01 PM
Well this will boil your blood, I pay to hunt private property. And this year I had my eye on a nice 4x4 he has been with 3 other legal bucks but not my target. As I am in my ground blind watching the 3 small guys waiting for the 4 point 2 idiot's trespass on Heavily Posted property and shoot all 3 bucks one was wounded and got away. This all happened less than 100yrds from me. Luckily I had cell service and got the land Owner there in a hurry, then I got out of my blind the shooter's didn't even know I was there and I was Pissed Off, then the  game wardens, local sheriff. They took the deer, their license, wrote them tickets for Trespassing, No Orange,  over harvest, we searched for several hours and could not locate the 1 that was hit. Some  people just don't fricken get it.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: j_h_nimrod on October 23, 2019, 10:09:57 PM
If they didn't gut it then they were up to no good.

I/we have moved plenty of deer before gutting.......not a crime, and shows no evil intent.  How ever, in this case it could lead you to believe they were in a hurry to get away as Im sure they were.  Did they break some laws?????? It looks like it.  Did they have licenses and tag the animal ?????  who knows, and who knows if they should burn as "poachers", or just be cited for the laws they broke while in the act of otherwise legally hunting.

I just cant seem to buy into this mentality that everyone who may have or might be breaking a law should be labeled as a "poacher" when that is such a loose description to throw around so freely as it is here. Whos definition of poacher ?????  If its not shot out of season or by unlicensed non tag holders, then the crimes would be other than poaching imho.  THeres more than a few hunters out there who have been cited for violations while hunting and been allowed to keep their game and NOT been labeled as a poacher.

Poaching by definition is the taking of game on private land you don’t have the privilege to hunt on, this case seems likely to fit that definition well.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Nwgunner on October 23, 2019, 10:15:26 PM
ok i'm pretty confused right now...I see a pic of a truck with a couple guys near the back.  someone posting they think they saw something "shady" but they can't say who owns the land  or even confirms they have permission to hunt on it....a lot of stuff need clarification.

I agree.  I hate poachers as much as the next but how do we know they were poaching. Yes, as described in the OP this is very shady, but much information needs to be gathered as there are lots of variables.  No orange, driving off road for retrieval, shooting near houses all not acceptable in my book. These guys do not pass the "sniff test"  but were they poaching... we don't know.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Stein on October 24, 2019, 03:31:36 AM
That's why WDFW wardens are trained in investigating, call it in and let them do their job.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 24, 2019, 05:14:19 AM
That's why WDFW wardens are trained in investigating, call it in and let them do their job.

Precisely. I would say also that I trust @BULLBLASTER 's instincts especially on this particular instance with his history of his hunting grounds.

I was feeling bad last year, like a busy body, after calling in a suspicious event. Until the warden called and said he had made an arrest for some egregious poaching violations based on my tip.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 24, 2019, 05:32:27 AM
I would have no problem with a game warden coming out and checking me. I’ve got nothing to hide.

You did the right thing. 
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: 92xj on October 24, 2019, 06:27:44 AM
That's why WDFW wardens are trained in investigating, call it in and let them do their job.

Precisely. I would say also that I trust @BULLBLASTER 's instincts especially on this particular instance with his history of his hunting grounds.

I was feeling bad last year, like a busy body, after calling in a suspicious event. Until the warden called and said he had made an arrest for some egregious poaching violations based on my tip.

Did you get points?
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: trophyhunt on October 24, 2019, 06:31:30 AM
That's why WDFW wardens are trained in investigating, call it in and let them do their job.

Precisely. I would say also that I trust @BULLBLASTER 's instincts especially on this particular instance with his history of his hunting grounds.

I was feeling bad last year, like a busy body, after calling in a suspicious event. Until the warden called and said he had made an arrest for some egregious poaching violations based on my tip.

Did you get points?
The question should be, did you put your points on deer or elk???
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 24, 2019, 06:35:26 AM
If they didn't gut it then they were up to no good.


Not true,

I have many times not gutted. Shot a doe this past weekend, rolled/drug it about a mile before gutting...keeps the meat wayyyyy cleaner.

Would you have gutted it first if you were able to drive up to it in your truck? No dragging or rolling.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: NOCK NOCK on October 24, 2019, 06:43:55 AM
If they didn't gut it then they were up to no good.


Not true,

I have many times not gutted. Shot a doe this past weekend, rolled/drug it about a mile before gutting...keeps the meat wayyyyy cleaner.

Would you have gutted it first if you were able to drive up to it in your truck? No dragging or rolling.


If I was a farmer and gave you permission to hunt my land, asked you not to gut it in my field......would you still?

FWIW, I'm in agreement with the OP, just playing devils advocate.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: huntnnw on October 24, 2019, 06:46:53 AM
I would venture to say that this was 99% illegal activity. I too trust chris judgement on this and know the area hes hunting well. This stuff happens on a daily basis in this area.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 24, 2019, 07:00:32 AM
I would venture to say that this was 99% illegal activity. I too trust chris judgement on this and know the area hes hunting well. This stuff happens on a daily basis in this area.
  :yeah: bullblaster has been dealing with trash like this his entire adult life. What ever happened to just calling a spade a spade :dunno: and while the legal definition of poacher may not apply here as the *censored*es probably had deer tags, if your plan for the season is to slow troll around other peoples property until you spot bucks you can shoot from the road, drive to quickly and speed away, well you are a poacher in my book  :bash:
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 24, 2019, 07:11:05 AM
If they didn't gut it then they were up to no good.


Not true,

I have many times not gutted. Shot a doe this past weekend, rolled/drug it about a mile before gutting...keeps the meat wayyyyy cleaner.

Would you have gutted it first if you were able to drive up to it in your truck? No dragging or rolling.

One of the areas I hunt is private and I can get my truck right to the deer.  I pop the deer in my truck, drive it home (about 1 hour and 15 minute drive), raise it with the tractor and get to work.  Pretty common for people to not gut on private land. 
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 24, 2019, 07:12:18 AM
That's why WDFW wardens are trained in investigating, call it in and let them do their job.

Precisely. I would say also that I trust @BULLBLASTER 's instincts especially on this particular instance with his history of his hunting grounds.

I was feeling bad last year, like a busy body, after calling in a suspicious event. Until the warden called and said he had made an arrest for some egregious poaching violations based on my tip.

Did you get points?
The question should be, did you put your points on deer or elk???

I sure did, 10 Quality Elk to be exact.

More importantly there was an arrest made on a career criminal and deer weren't being rifle poached during archery at night under a spotlight.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: 92xj on October 24, 2019, 07:14:38 AM
 :tup:
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 24, 2019, 07:26:59 AM
I have no proof that anything wrong was going on other than seeing them shooting from the truck on a public road.  but the way they acted and the apparent haste in which they acted tells me they were up to no good. Unfortunately I don’t know the owner or land manager of that property or else I would have made contact with them.

Had it been someone I knows land I would have called right away, I know how difficult it is to gain and keep hunting access in the area this took place and crap like this just makes it worse.

Believe me or not, I really don’t care. But I sure hope that the group sees this post and thinks twice next time.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: RockChuck on October 24, 2019, 08:27:45 AM
Probably up to no good, but yeah you never know lots of possibilities like disabled hunter(s), friends/family with permission to drive on the property, the owners themselves  :dunno:
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: The Marquis on October 24, 2019, 08:34:07 AM
Shooting from a truck seems like the type of thing that we should all look down on and report since it's very much a violation.  Forget the rest (though extremely suspicious), that alone would get a call from me.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: buckfvr on October 24, 2019, 09:19:04 AM





Poaching by definition is the taking of game on private land you don’t have the privilege to hunt on, this case seems likely to fit that definition well.

I dont seem to be able to find that particular definition anywhere.........your scenario may be included under the large umbrella of "poaching", especially in this state, but from what I come up with searching for definition, I cant find your quote.

Either way, sure looks like something wrong they were up to but just pointing out the rampant speculation and crucification common among huntwa members that are quick on the draw to hang anyone who looks like a duck.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Rainier10 on October 24, 2019, 09:59:24 AM
If someone saw me do something they thought was potentially against the law, I'd have no problem talking with a game officer as I'm in no sort of trouble and get it sorted out, may be a small inconvenience but as hunters I see it as our duty to do all we can in the upholding of laws in the woods, after all we are the number one contributors to conservation. We have the most eyes in the woods and each poacher we can stop because of suspicious activity is a victory in my book, our wildlife needs our help. Props to @BULLBLASTER for giving it a call in! :tup: Best of luck to all out still hunting!

Well said
:yeah:
I've had the game department knock on my door and ask me a bunch of questions.  I invited them in and answered them all.  I did nothing wrong and they went on their way because I was honest and upfront with them.  I apologized for having raised a red flag and making them come to my house at 7pm and they said no problem they are happy to do it and most of the time it ends up being nothing but every once in awhile they catch a real bad guy.

FYI the reason for the visit was I shot a blacktail doe and saved the hide, bones and scraps from butchering in my freezer. Dumped it on my place the following year to shoot coyotes off of.  Someone found it and called the game wardens for a doe shot in eastern washington in a 3pt minimum area.  Deer still had my tag rolled up and taped in the ear.  They thought I shot a doe and put last years tag on it.

I was super glad that someone called it in and glad they looked into it.  I was embarrassed for wasting their time.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: full choke on October 24, 2019, 10:05:47 AM
If someone saw me do something they thought was potentially against the law, I'd have no problem talking with a game officer as I'm in no sort of trouble and get it sorted out, may be a small inconvenience but as hunters I see it as our duty to do all we can in the upholding of laws in the woods, after all we are the number one contributors to conservation. We have the most eyes in the woods and each poacher we can stop because of suspicious activity is a victory in my book, our wildlife needs our help. Props to @BULLBLASTER for giving it a call in! :tup: Best of luck to all out still hunting!

Well said
:yeah:
I've had the game department knock on my door and ask me a bunch of questions.  I invited them in and answered them all.  I did nothing wrong and they went on their way because I was honest and upfront with them.  I apologized for having raised a red flag and making them come to my house at 7pm and they said no problem they are happy to do it and most of the time it ends up being nothing but every once in awhile they catch a real bad guy.

FYI the reason for the visit was I shot a blacktail doe and saved the hide, bones and scraps from butchering in my freezer. Dumped it on my place the following year to shoot coyotes off of.  Someone found it and called the game wardens for a doe shot in eastern washington in a 3pt minimum area.  Deer still had my tag rolled up and taped in the ear.  They thought I shot a doe and put last years tag on it.

I was super glad that someone called it in and glad they looked into it.  I was embarrassed for wasting their time.

How did someone find it on your property?
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 24, 2019, 10:09:44 AM





Poaching by definition is the taking of game on private land you don’t have the privilege to hunt on, this case seems likely to fit that definition well.

I dont seem to be able to find that particular definition anywhere.........your scenario may be included under the large umbrella of "poaching", especially in this state, but from what I come up with searching for definition, I cant find your quote.

Either way, sure looks like something wrong they were up to but just pointing out the rampant speculation and crucification common among huntwa members that are quick on the draw to hang anyone who looks like a duck.
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Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Rainier10 on October 24, 2019, 10:16:31 AM
If someone saw me do something they thought was potentially against the law, I'd have no problem talking with a game officer as I'm in no sort of trouble and get it sorted out, may be a small inconvenience but as hunters I see it as our duty to do all we can in the upholding of laws in the woods, after all we are the number one contributors to conservation. We have the most eyes in the woods and each poacher we can stop because of suspicious activity is a victory in my book, our wildlife needs our help. Props to @BULLBLASTER for giving it a call in! :tup: Best of luck to all out still hunting!

Well said
:yeah:
I've had the game department knock on my door and ask me a bunch of questions.  I invited them in and answered them all.  I did nothing wrong and they went on their way because I was honest and upfront with them.  I apologized for having raised a red flag and making them come to my house at 7pm and they said no problem they are happy to do it and most of the time it ends up being nothing but every once in awhile they catch a real bad guy.

FYI the reason for the visit was I shot a blacktail doe and saved the hide, bones and scraps from butchering in my freezer. Dumped it on my place the following year to shoot coyotes off of.  Someone found it and called the game wardens for a doe shot in eastern washington in a 3pt minimum area.  Deer still had my tag rolled up and taped in the ear.  They thought I shot a doe and put last years tag on it.

I was super glad that someone called it in and glad they looked into it.  I was embarrassed for wasting their time.

How did someone find it on your property?
You could see it from the road. They called the WDFW to investigate.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Goshawk on October 28, 2019, 09:09:18 PM
It happens.
I stepped out of the house last Saturday morning just before 0600 to go to work and heard a rifle shot up on the ridge behind the house.  Pitch dark and way before light; Egad!
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 29, 2019, 05:20:22 AM
Target shooters :chuckle:
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: PA BEN on October 30, 2019, 12:08:10 PM
Just a what if.
What if these guys had a handicap hunter who can shoot from the vehicle, they see the deer stop and see the buck. They go and get permission come back and shoot it. Grab the buck and go to where they can set up the handicap hunter for pictures. BTW, I've hunted farms where the farmer wanted me to not guy my deer in the field.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Bango skank on October 30, 2019, 12:12:35 PM
Just a what if.
What if these guys had a handicap hunter who can shoot from the vehicle, they see the deer stop and see the buck. They go and get permission come back and shoot it. Grab the buck and go to where they can set up the handicap hunter for pictures. BTW, I've hunted farms where the farmer wanted me to not guy my deer in the field.

And if thats the case and the game warden contacted them it would all be cleared up pretty quickly.  Thats how it works.  There is ALWAYS a what if of some sort, if it looks wrong, report and let the leos figure it out.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: WSU on October 30, 2019, 12:37:14 PM
Just a what if.
What if these guys had a handicap hunter who can shoot from the vehicle, they see the deer stop and see the buck. They go and get permission come back and shoot it. Grab the buck and go to where they can set up the handicap hunter for pictures. BTW, I've hunted farms where the farmer wanted me to not guy my deer in the field.

If a farmer doesn't want the deer gutted in the field, I imagine he doesn't want you speeding through the field in your truck.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 30, 2019, 01:04:03 PM
Just a what if.
What if these guys had a handicap hunter who can shoot from the vehicle, they see the deer stop and see the buck. They go and get permission come back and shoot it. Grab the buck and go to where they can set up the handicap hunter for pictures. BTW, I've hunted farms where the farmer wanted me to not guy my deer in the field.
is it legal for a disabled hunter to shoot out of a running vehicle on a paved highway? Legit question, I honestly don't know.
Title: Re: Fairly certain I just saw some shady deer shooting
Post by: Rainier10 on October 30, 2019, 01:25:48 PM
Just a what if.
What if these guys had a handicap hunter who can shoot from the vehicle, they see the deer stop and see the buck. They go and get permission come back and shoot it. Grab the buck and go to where they can set up the handicap hunter for pictures. BTW, I've hunted farms where the farmer wanted me to not guy my deer in the field.
is it legal for a disabled hunter to shoot out of a running vehicle on a paved highway? Legit question, I honestly don't know.
I believe in some cases yes.  Each disabled hunter has a different set of rules specific to the needs of their disability and have to have the paperwork showing what their limits are for the hunt. 

I know anyone can shoot on, next to or across a paved highway even using the vehicle as a rest as long as they don't do it "negligently".  It is a frustrating rule that was passed a few years ago that we now cover in hunter education.  We strongly advise against it but do cover that technically it is legal if you don't do it "negligently".
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