Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 24, 2019, 01:59:28 PM
We have until Nov 1 to comment on the WDFW's post recovery management plan. Take a minute to encourage them to ensure a hunting season once wolves meet recovery goals.
Post by: buckfvr on October 24, 2019, 03:41:02 PM
Post by: Wsucoug on October 24, 2019, 03:54:45 PM
https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/take-action-for-washington-wolves/?fbclid=IwAR30Kr_glYBu8n4qAPaBSuxjTV5nmQzjFDoM2K522AMKF_dRFxP4_Q-rawE
Post by: Bango skank on October 24, 2019, 04:13:41 PM
Post by: buckfvr on October 24, 2019, 05:23:28 PM
Just so everyone knows, conservation NW has taken out Facebook marketing ads (paid ads) and is targeting people asking them to send canned emails to WDFW. Sample emails can be taken from their website.
https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/take-action-for-washington-wolves/?fbclid=IwAR30Kr_glYBu8n4qAPaBSuxjTV5nmQzjFDoM2K522AMKF_dRFxP4_Q-rawE
Is there an effective way this can be passed on to wdfw in order to discredit con nw ???
Post by: KFhunter on October 24, 2019, 06:45:18 PM
To the Department of Fish and Wildlife:
Thank you for the opportunity to weigh-in on the future conservation and management of Washington’s wolves. I value the return of the wolf to quality habitat across our state, and appreciate efforts supporting the long-term recovery and public acceptance of wolves alongside thriving local communities. This work must continue even after Washington’s wolves meet state and federal recovery goals. Our state must maintain a healthy wolf population above recovery thresholds sufficient to conserve this iconic native species into the future.
The Draft Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) for a post-recovery management plan for Washington’s wolves should include the following:
A scientific literature review on the role that wolf pack structure and social dynamics play in maintaining resilient populations, especially with respect to climate change and human pressures but also the unique and complex nature of suitable wolf habitat in Washington. (see above: "alongside thriving local communities")
Alternatives that take into account the role of wolf social structure in maintaining a resilient population and minimizing conflict with livestock and humans, as well as management methods that seek to protect the integrity of wolf packs wherever feasible, especially those not involved in livestock conflicts.
A literature review of predator-prey dynamics and how wolves fit into a multi-predator, multi-prey ecosystem along with human impacts. This should include evaluation of predator-prey interactions considering the state and trends of ungulate populations in Washington, particularly in the Cascade and Kettle mountains.
Alternatives that take into account the role of habitat modification, climate factors, wild predation and human-caused mortality on ungulate population trends (IE: reduce hunting opportunities) and how these factors can be managed to restore and maintain healthy ungulate populations for both predators and people.
Address approaches for maintaining a strong program of preventative measures to limit livestock conflicts, including methods that are adaptive to the diverse types of livestock production that occur in Washington, from public lands grazing of cattle to small sheep and goat hobby farms.
One or more alternatives that do not use general sport hunting to manage the wolf population. Research has shown that general public hunting is not an effective means of preventing or reducing wolf conflicts with livestock.
A strong adaptive management component so the plan can be updated as we learn more about wolf ecology, ungulate population response, effectiveness of deterrence measures for preventing livestock depredations, and human social dynamics around wolf presence in Washington.
A strong public outreach and education component to support coexistence as wolves establish packs in new parts of the state, including on wolf behavior and what to do during a wolf encounter.
Assessment of methods to support healthy and respectful dialogue among citizens of Washington, both with each other and with WDFW staff on wolf management over time.
Thank you for developing a new, science-based Wolf Conservation and Management Plan, and for working towards long-term wolf recovery and coexistence in Washington.
Sincerely,
YOUR NAME
Sounds like CNW wants WDFW to spend a ton of money and do a crap load of studies, IE slow walk and eliminate wolf hunting, and all big game hunting.
Post by: Rimrock hunter on October 24, 2019, 06:56:41 PM
Post by: X-Force on October 24, 2019, 06:59:40 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on October 24, 2019, 07:20:40 PM
Some points folks could consider making:
-Well managed wolf hunting seasons in surrounding states has not resulted in any conservation concerns for the species. Most of these nearby states have very liberal hunting seasons (long seasons, multiple tags)
-Public hunting increases support and social tolerance for wolf management and conservation in communities and constituencies most affected by wolf recovery
-Wolves should be managed as game animals just the same as other large predators in WA state (e.g., bears and cougars) which are currently thriving
-Public hunting of wolves provides another tool for wildlife managers to address areas where wolves are a limiting factor to other species
-Public hunting of wolves will provide additional revenue for responsible wolf management and conservation
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 24, 2019, 07:31:19 PM
Post by: KFhunter on October 24, 2019, 07:42:13 PM
Given that no state with recovered wolves has ever had an issue with conservation/preservation of wolves even with extremely liberal hunting seasons, the WDFW should have ample evidence at their disposal to combat any of the crazies that argue a hunting season will be a conservation concern.
Some points folks could consider making:
-Well managed wolf hunting seasons in surrounding states has not resulted in any conservation concerns for the species. Most of these nearby states have very liberal hunting seasons (long seasons, multiple tags)
-Public hunting increases support and social tolerance for wolf management and conservation in communities and constituencies most affected by wolf recovery
-Wolves should be managed as game animals just the same as other large predators in WA state (e.g., bears and cougars) which are currently thriving
-Public hunting of wolves provides another tool for wildlife managers to address areas where wolves are a limiting factor to other species
-Public hunting of wolves will provide additional revenue for responsible wolf management and conservation
great suggestions :tup:
Post by: kellama2001 on October 24, 2019, 08:17:41 PM
Post by: Elk329 on October 24, 2019, 09:31:25 PM
Post by: no.cen.wa on October 24, 2019, 09:47:32 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 25, 2019, 07:36:18 AM
Post by: Wsucoug on October 25, 2019, 09:20:57 AM
Just so everyone knows, conservation NW has taken out Facebook marketing ads (paid ads) and is targeting people asking them to send canned emails to WDFW. Sample emails can be taken from their website.
https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/take-action-for-washington-wolves/?fbclid=IwAR30Kr_glYBu8n4qAPaBSuxjTV5nmQzjFDoM2K522AMKF_dRFxP4_Q-rawE
Is there an effective way this can be passed on to wdfw in order to discredit con nw ???
I wouldn't think so. They are just trying to get the word out to people that think like them. In the end the people still have to submit their emails
Post by: Wsucoug on October 25, 2019, 09:28:47 AM
WA should follow in Idaho's footsets. To think that WA can start from scratch and come up with a superior plan for wolves, would be to discredit all the effort and ideas that Idaho's game department has already come up with. Why should WA game dept. waste their monetary resources creating something that has already been implemented successfully? Why are we reinventing the wheel? In my eyes the plan's framework is already done, WA just need to adapt it to our state boundaries.
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on October 25, 2019, 01:34:17 PM
Just so everyone knows, conservation NW has taken out Facebook marketing ads (paid ads) and is targeting people asking them to send canned emails to WDFW. Sample emails can be taken from their website.
https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/take-action-for-washington-wolves/
Is there an effective way this can be passed on to wdfw in order to discredit con nw ???
How would this standard communications practice discredit anyone? Just about anyone with a page can run boosted Facebook posts or ads. CNW spent twenty bucks on this boosted post (literally, $20), and targeted Washington residents. This isn't Russian hacking.
I'd be far more concerned about the actual fringe groups from Arizona, Oregon and Maryland suing WDFW to stop wolf culls after chronic cattle depredations, lobbying state legislators and the Governor, scheming about a citizen's initiative in 2020 to ban all wolf killing, and already trying to move the wolf recovery goal posts.
They arn't even trying to hide that crap, and neither are the Lands Council in Spokane:
https://mailchi.mp/landscouncil/post-recovery-wolf-comments (https://mailchi.mp/landscouncil/post-recovery-wolf-comments)
https://cascadiawildlands.salsalabs.org/enews-september-2019_copy1_copy1_copy1
(https://cascadiawildlands.salsalabs.org/enews-september-2019_copy1_copy1_copy1)https://act.biologicaldiversity.org/onlineactions/_e4y7pDDNUWB0T3P8j8TQg2
(https://act.biologicaldiversity.org/onlineactions/_e4y7pDDNUWB0T3P8j8TQg2)
Having at least one alternative in WDFW's post-recovery wolf EIS that does not include general or OTC wolf hunting seasons will be essential to avoid lawsuits from those groups, and so as not to provide easy fuel that ignites the initiative or state legislation they already want to run. That doesn't mean such an alternative would be selected after the two to three year process.
CNW's comments use the term general hunting for a reason. We hunters might also note the language about supporting ungulate population health. You wont see that from any of the other wildlife .orgs:
"Now, it’s time to build on this work to help WDFW and the Fish and Wildlife Commission craft a new Wolf Plan that supports a resilient population and acceptance for wolves across rural communities.
Many of Washington’s elk and deer herds are in decline, especially populations on the eastern slopes of the Cascades and in the Kettle Range due to habitat fragmentation, recent large fires and severe winters. It will be important for the state and partners to dedicate time and resources to understanding what’s needed to restore healthy ungulate populations, which are vital for predators like wolves as well as for people who depend on them for subsistence, recreation and natural and cultural heritage—from Native American nations to other hunter-conservationists."
Like, CNW, hate CNW, doesn't really matter. But there's a strategy here, and it's not to screw over hunters or deer and elk.
Post by: idahohuntr on October 25, 2019, 03:17:18 PM
I've struggled with whether there's any real chance of wolf hunting seasons in this state given the political landscape...and I think you just highlighted an angle that would play very well for garnering political support for wolf hunting.Just so everyone knows, conservation NW has taken out Facebook marketing ads (paid ads) and is targeting people asking them to send canned emails to WDFW. Sample emails can be taken from their website.
https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/take-action-for-washington-wolves/
Is there an effective way this can be passed on to wdfw in order to discredit con nw ???
How would this standard communications practice discredit anyone? Just about anyone with a page can run boosted Facebook posts or ads. CNW spent twenty bucks on this boosted post (literally, $20), and targeted Washington residents. This isn't Russian hacking.
I'd be far more concerned about the actual fringe groups from Arizona, Oregon and Maryland suing WDFW to stop wolf culls after chronic cattle depredations, lobbying state legislators and the Governor, scheming about a citizen's initiative in 2020 to ban all wolf killing, and already trying to move the wolf recovery goal posts.
They arn't even trying to hide that crap, and neither are the Lands Council in Spokane:
https://mailchi.mp/landscouncil/post-recovery-wolf-comments (https://mailchi.mp/landscouncil/post-recovery-wolf-comments)
https://cascadiawildlands.salsalabs.org/enews-september-2019_copy1_copy1_copy1
(https://cascadiawildlands.salsalabs.org/enews-september-2019_copy1_copy1_copy1)https://act.biologicaldiversity.org/onlineactions/_e4y7pDDNUWB0T3P8j8TQg2
(https://act.biologicaldiversity.org/onlineactions/_e4y7pDDNUWB0T3P8j8TQg2)
Having at least one alternative in WDFW's post-recovery wolf EIS that does not include general or OTC wolf hunting seasons will be essential to avoid lawsuits from those groups, and so as not to provide easy fuel that ignites the initiative or state legislation they already want to run. That doesn't mean such an alternative would be selected after the two to three year process.
CNW's comments use the term general hunting for a reason. We hunters might also note the language about supporting ungulate population health. You wont see that from any of the other wildlife .orgs:
"Now, it’s time to build on this work to help WDFW and the Fish and Wildlife Commission craft a new Wolf Plan that supports a resilient population and acceptance for wolves across rural communities.
Many of Washington’s elk and deer herds are in decline, especially populations on the eastern slopes of the Cascades and in the Kettle Range due to habitat fragmentation, recent large fires and severe winters. It will be important for the state and partners to dedicate time and resources to understanding what’s needed to restore healthy ungulate populations, which are vital for predators like wolves as well as for people who depend on them for subsistence, recreation and natural and cultural heritage—from Native American nations to other hunter-conservationists."
Like, CNW, hate CNW, doesn't really matter. But there's a strategy here, and it's not to screw over hunters or deer and elk.
Ungulate population health/abundance is critical to upholding the treaties of Native American Tribes who hunt deer and elk across this state. Where wolves are disproportionately effecting ungulate abundance, hunting seasons are necessary to protect those treaty resources. The state can protect these treaty resources AND generate revenue by providing managed wolf hunting seasons.
So now, the majority liberal politicians in this state are put in a much tougher box...by not supporting wolf hunting seasons they are indirectly attacking Native American Tribes who hunt ungulates...and those Tribes are politically powerful.
Coming on the heels of a de-facto loss in the Supreme Court for impacting treaty resources (salmon) in the culverts case...WA politicians might be even more inclined to support wolf hunting to ensure they do not create another avenue for Tribes to sue them in an expensive way...probably grasping at straws a bit on the success of a potential lawsuit, but its not completely out of the question.
Post by: Birdguy on October 25, 2019, 07:40:30 PM
Post by: RugerRay on October 27, 2019, 09:05:21 AM
Post by: cem3434 on October 27, 2019, 11:14:24 AM
Post by: Elk329 on November 03, 2019, 07:44:47 AM
http://www.ifiberone.com/news/regional_news/public-comment-on-gray-wolf-management-plan-extended/article_874e3b50-fc0c-11e9-afc1-4f86a0459eef.html
According to news the comment period has been extended to November 15th.
Post by: KFhunter on November 03, 2019, 08:42:09 AM
should worry ya
Post by: nwwanderer on November 03, 2019, 12:46:35 PM
Post by: idaho guy on November 03, 2019, 03:21:42 PM
Given that no state with recovered wolves has ever had an issue with conservation/preservation of wolves even with extremely liberal hunting seasons, the WDFW should have ample evidence at their disposal to combat any of the crazies that argue a hunting season will be a conservation concern.
Some points folks could consider making:
-Well managed wolf hunting seasons in surrounding states has not resulted in any conservation concerns for the species. Most of these nearby states have very liberal hunting seasons (long seasons, multiple tags)
-Public hunting increases support and social tolerance for wolf management and conservation in communities and constituencies most affected by wolf recovery
-Wolves should be managed as game animals just the same as other large predators in WA state (e.g., bears and cougars) which are currently thriving
-Public hunting of wolves provides another tool for wildlife managers to address areas where wolves are a limiting factor to other species
-Public hunting of wolves will provide additional revenue for responsible wolf management and conservation
great suggestions :tup:
:yeah:well said
Post by: idaho guy on November 03, 2019, 03:42:26 PM
When I submitted my comments I said something like this:
WA should follow in Idaho's footsets. To think that WA can start from scratch and come up with a superior plan for wolves, would be to discredit all the effort and ideas that Idaho's game department has already come up with. Why should WA game dept. waste their monetary resources creating something that has already been implemented successfully? Why are we reinventing the wheel? In my eyes the plan's framework is already done, WA just need to adapt it to our state boundaries.
:tup:
Post by: idaho guy on November 03, 2019, 03:43:35 PM