Post by: Jamieb on November 04, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
The rifle is a Remington 700 in 300 RUM. load=200gr accubond over 95.5 gr. of retumbo, muzzle velocity 3175fps. the shot was 100 yards only hitting ribs and the bullet didn't exit, stopped at the offside skin. The recovered bullet weighs 124.5 gr. Now I'm thinking a leg bone on the entrance might stop this bullet. I put in way to much time into working up this load to even think about changing bullets now. What do you guy think?
The bullet
(https://i.imgur.com/ugn0FlJ.jpg)
Thanks Jamie
Post by: ellensburgpo on November 04, 2019, 08:44:58 PM
Post by: bankwalker on November 04, 2019, 08:46:48 PM
I would be more happy to see a perfect bullet expansion doing its job right. Than worry about weight retention.
Post by: Jason on November 04, 2019, 09:14:51 PM
Post by: brew on November 04, 2019, 09:34:20 PM
Post by: jdb on November 05, 2019, 05:36:06 AM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on November 05, 2019, 05:39:10 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 05, 2019, 06:10:23 AM
No seriously?
For realsies??
Post by: Jamieb on November 05, 2019, 06:17:53 AM
Hold on...you think an elk leg bone will stop a Remington ultra Mag pushing a 200 grains at 3200 fps????
No seriously?
For realsies??
That bullet only hit rib bones and there isn't much left of it. Would that bullet have broke up if I hit a heavy bone?
Post by: The scout on November 05, 2019, 06:42:04 AM
Post by: BNAElkhntr on November 05, 2019, 07:11:14 AM
Post by: Jamieb on November 05, 2019, 07:31:00 AM
Sure it’s not a lrab those perform like that every time. Kinda surprised the regular accubond would do that.
I'm sure they are not LRABs. I bought a 1000 200gr. accubonds before Nosler came out with the long range version and I'm still using those.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 05, 2019, 07:35:03 AM
People have been consistently killing elks with much smaller bullets traveling much slower...shattering bone and killing stuff dead as a doornail. See 30-06, 270, etc
Post by: 92xj on November 05, 2019, 08:07:32 AM
I would continue to shot your load and next time step back a few yards :chuckle:
Post by: theleo on November 05, 2019, 08:37:51 AM
Wow…this thread brings up something I have been thinking about over this past week. No way am I trying to brag but I’ve killed a lot of deer over the past 35 years of hunting and I have never recovered a bullet from the deer I’ve shot. Started out with a 270 and for the past 30 years have been using a 7 mag coupled with 160 gr nosler partitions. A couple years ago bought a BLR 358 Win with open sights and have wanted to kill a deer with that but with my crappy eyesight haven’t had the opportunity yet. Last Tuesday evening had a nice blackie within 100 yards so I grabbed the 358 loaded with Hornady 200 grain accubonds and took the shot. Broadside and after the recoil he was gone. Went to where he last stood and it was a little uphill shot. Ground was all tore up where he was and expected him to be there behind the hill…nothing but tore up earth. No blood. Looked at the area he was facing and it was a huge brushpile…no blood anywhere. Went over the nob he was on and in the direction he was facing,,,,no blood. Went about 20 yards and saw a brown patch piled up in the bush. He layed there in the brush side up where I shot…didn’t see any entrance wound. Grabbed him and flipped him over to see the exit wound/where I hit him and there was nothing. Gutted him out and there were no trace of lungs left—they were gelatinous gobs of goo looking like red jello. Later skinning him out I found the 200 grain accubond just under the skin on the opposite shoulder. Upon closer inspection/cutting the deer up I shot through the near leg, through the ribs, lungs, and the bullet broke the far leg right at the shoulder joint. A lot more damage than initial inspection. I guess I shot him about 2” right then where I thought the shot was . Surprised to find the bullet but looking back the muzzle velocity of that 35 caliber bullet is 2475 fps and the bullet performed what I needed it to do…damage the interior without exiting. Will continue to use that as long as my old ass eyes can use the open sights. Will try to attach a pic of the recovered bullet along with a live round and a pic of the buck where the entrance wound was with a single drop of blood on it.That's an Interlock, not an Accubond.
I'd chalk this up to sometimes weird stuff happens. They're all that gets shot through my 280ai and I have yet to recover one. I shot my bull last year 3 times hoping I might get one back since it was just inside 100 yards, but all 3 exited. The other telling experience for me was shooting a small 5 x 5 at 350-ish yards as he was heading down hill. The bullet hit the spine just back of the points of the shoulders, traveled the depth of the bull's chest, and exited between the shoulder blade and brisket. All and all, pretty impressive performance from a 140gr bullet. Guys I know that use them in 300 win and 300 RUM haven't had any issues either and they've got a pile of elk with less than ideal shots under their belts.
Post by: Damnimissed on November 05, 2019, 09:01:16 AM
Post by: Jamieb on November 05, 2019, 09:17:25 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/Yy9GRmB/bulldown.jpg)
Thanks for the replies, I'll keep using this rifle/load combo for elk.
Thanks Jamie
Post by: Chesapeake on November 05, 2019, 03:46:52 PM
Looks to me like that bullet performed perfectly as designed. Cant ask for much more than that.
Post by: Buckjunkie on November 06, 2019, 10:36:15 AM
Shot a big bull elk this year at 80 yards in the neck. Quartered through lodging under the hide on top of the right shoulder. He dumped. That bullet weighed 120g or 60% retention.
I think it’s an excellent load. I think you could kill anything on the continent with it although I would probably load a tougher bullet for brown or grizzly bears.
Post by: Goshawk on November 06, 2019, 08:30:36 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on November 06, 2019, 08:58:50 PM
Post by: Buckjunkie on November 06, 2019, 09:16:44 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on November 06, 2019, 09:20:06 PM
Post by: Damnimissed on November 07, 2019, 08:33:32 AM
I had great results with Accubonds, but prefer the LRX and only use them now. Very accurate and tough. Yet to recover one on deer.
What made you switch switch, after having great results with AB’s?
Post by: Taco280AI on November 07, 2019, 05:12:11 PM
Post by: Screwtape5981 on November 08, 2019, 03:38:21 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on November 08, 2019, 09:24:32 PM
Post by: Jamieb on November 08, 2019, 10:06:42 PM
Doing some load development for the 257 Wby with the 110 AB and 100 TTSX, will see if the Barnes gets the nod again110gr. accubond over IMR 7828, fast and sub MOA in my rem 700, 257wby
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on March 05, 2020, 08:26:43 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 06, 2020, 07:13:54 AM
Maximum weight retention for deer, elk, black bears is overrated IMO. It's cool for a picture but it is definitely not the end-all-be-all metric for terminal performance that some people tend to think it is. No offense meant to the Barnes Boys, just my perspective :hello:
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on March 09, 2020, 09:15:22 PM
The Accubond might leave a little to be desired at the extended ranges bit is a devastating bullet. If looking to change it up in the future...215 or 230 Berger :drool: A ballistic monster that is definitely tough enough for a big critter.Everybody I've talked to says the Bergers blow up. If they work for you then cool but I personally wouldn't want to be picking chunks of lead and copper out of the meat.
Maximum weight retention for deer, elk, black bears is overrated IMO. It's cool for a picture but it is definitely not the end-all-be-all metric for terminal performance that some people tend to think it is. No offense meant to the Barnes Boys, just my perspective :hello:
Post by: kselkhunter on March 09, 2020, 09:23:50 PM
The Accubond might leave a little to be desired at the extended ranges bit is a devastating bullet. If looking to change it up in the future...215 or 230 Berger :drool: A ballistic monster that is definitely tough enough for a big critter.Everybody I've talked to says the Bergers blow up. If they work for you then cool but I personally wouldn't want to be picking chunks of lead and copper out of the meat.
Maximum weight retention for deer, elk, black bears is overrated IMO. It's cool for a picture but it is definitely not the end-all-be-all metric for terminal performance that some people tend to think it is. No offense meant to the Barnes Boys, just my perspective :hello:
The Berger VLD is a fragmenting bullet. Designed to penetrate a couple of inches and then fragment.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 10, 2020, 01:25:36 PM
The Accubond might leave a little to be desired at the extended ranges bit is a devastating bullet. If looking to change it up in the future...215 or 230 Berger :drool: A ballistic monster that is definitely tough enough for a big critter.Everybody I've talked to says the Bergers blow up. If they work for you then cool but I personally wouldn't want to be picking chunks of lead and copper out of the meat.
Maximum weight retention for deer, elk, black bears is overrated IMO. It's cool for a picture but it is definitely not the end-all-be-all metric for terminal performance that some people tend to think it is. No offense meant to the Barnes Boys, just my perspective :hello:
Dont shoot the meat :hello:
As mentioned the Bergers are designed to penetrate and fragment. Definitely more than one way to create massive internal trauma, that was my point with my first post.
Post by: Taco280AI on March 10, 2020, 04:38:43 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 10, 2020, 05:28:04 PM
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on March 11, 2020, 07:39:24 PM
Jacket thickness. Correct they dont retain their weight which is good because they aren't designed to.They aren't designed to... but the idea of a hunting bullet is to retain weight while properly mushrooming so you hold and transfer more KE as the bullet penetrates more. I'm not saying other bullets won't fragment, I'm simply saying theres bullets with as high of BC that tend to retain more weight and either don't fragment or fragment a lot less. Which means more KE carried through the bullets path in/through an animal and less picking of lead and copper out of meat. Personally... I shoot both a 300 wby and a custom 300 win mag. The 300 wby is 600 yards or less and is pushing a 200 gr barnes tsx at a mv of 3150 fps. The 300 wm, practical hunting range would be 600 yards or closer but if conditions were right I could easily do a 1,000 yard shot, pushes a 212 ELDX at 3075 fps and its got better weight retention than the bergers with just as high of a bc or better in the weight class. The hornady ELDX 212 gr bullet has a g1 bc of .673 while the 210 gr berger hunting bullet has a g1 of .631. Being honest more store bought rums, wby, and win mags are going to have a 1:10 twist barrel that will do a 210 or 212 gr bullet at the most.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 11, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
Agreed that ELDx are better at weight retention. Matter of fact, the last one I shot a deer with presumably retained most of its weight as it penciled through :chuckle:
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on March 12, 2020, 03:06:27 PM
Pretty sure the idea of a hunting bullet is to kill animals. Bergers are one of many that are fantastic at it.Bergers will kill an animal. Thats true. How much extra blood shot meat do you get though from that bullet basically shotgunning the inside of your animal? A lot more! If you had an ELDx not expand and pencil through... are you sure you didn't use an ELDM by accident? The reason I ask that is there is such a small chance of a poly tipper bullet not expanding that you should have gone out and bought a lotto ticket... that is unless you were taking a shot at such a range that the bullet was traveling too slow for expansion.
Agreed that ELDx are better at weight retention. Matter of fact, the last one I shot a deer with presumably retained most of its weight as it penciled through :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 12, 2020, 03:54:33 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 12, 2020, 05:27:34 PM
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on March 12, 2020, 09:45:14 PM
Your comments seem to come from a place of inexperience. Touting the eldx as superior to a berger or most any other bullet is a bit silly. I shot 20 animals in 2 seasons with eldx and they are just a high bc cup and core bulket with poor lot to lot consistency. They are prone to full jacket/core separation and I've seen several expansion failures including the one Jon talks about. I've been a part of hundreds and hundreds of harvests and what you are saying about bergers is just "internet" jibberish. The guys that have issues are the ones shooting small for caliber and pushing them way to hard. I've seen well over 100 animals taken with appropriate sized bergers and I've never seen this grenading and massive neat loss you speak of. If you shoot any big bullet into solid parts of an animal you are gonna get meat damage from Barnes, berger, hornady, nosler, or a round ball from a side lock.yeah... you might want to rethink that about Barnes... I have a good friend who shoots animals with a 338 wm using a 225 gr barnes tsx. Eats all the way up to the holes... my information is from people who have first hand experience and me talking with them in depth about various bullets and using them for hunting specifically. Personally I use a bow and arrow to kill most of my animals but I will take a rifle for bear and mt lion. So basically my comments do NOT come from a place of inexperience lol. My previous comment might have come off as condescending or negative but it was me actually asking. I know a person that bought the wrong box of hornady ELD bullets for his 6.5 cm for mule deer hunting and couldn't figure out why his bullets didn't expand... he was shooting the ELDM and not the ELDX bullets and didn't realize it until later. With the actual ballistics tests I've seen of the different bullets the bergers have the least weight retention and tend to shrapnel or grenade depending on velocity on impact. Thats an actual fact.. not a guess or some internet jibberish. If you are shooting a match grade or target bullet in the bergers then I could see them not doing that but I would personally NEVER use a match or target bullet for hunting. Idc how many animals you have killed or been a part of killing. It doesn't mean you know the best. It just means you think what you have is the best and its your opinion. My personal experiences are that bergers are great target bullets but not great for hunting. The ELDX is in fact superior and that has been proven by the amount of animals that have been killed with them already, their better weight retention than the berger hunting bullets. Mind you I am basing my info off of what I have seen with my own eyes and have been told. Then again the saying,"treat rifle and bullet people like used car salesman," comes to mind. All of this being said. Lets agree to disagree and let the OP make up his own mind.