Post by: capt.coho on November 05, 2019, 12:30:52 PM
I was considering getting a drone for pre season scouting. My rational is this. If i go in and check out every drainage i want to check, I'm going to be putting human pressure on elk. Whether i decide to hunt there or not, specifically on the wet side, you're applying pressure to animals. If I fly a drone in there, and I've never flown a drone period, I think I'm disturbing the animals a whole lot less. Roosies on the wet side don't tend to move all that much. If they have a drainage or an area they like they tend to stay in that area. But, they act way differently if they've seen people that season as opposed to them never seeing anyone.
Looking for thoughts and opinions here. Again, wouldn't be doing it during season, strictly pre season.
Post by: N7XW on November 05, 2019, 12:37:12 PM
Using aircraft (WAC 220-413-070):
It is illegal to:
• Use an aircraft, including unmanned
aircraft to spot, locate, or report the
location of wildlife for the purpose of
hunting.
WAC:
WAC 220-413-070
Hunting with aid of aircraft, boats or other vehicles.
(1) It is unlawful to use aircraft, including unmanned aircraft, to spot, locate or report the location of wildlife for the purpose of hunting; except as authorized by a permit issued by the director.
(2) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife from a vehicle, aircraft, including unmanned aircraft, except as authorized by a permit issued by the director, or from a boat propelled by motor unless the motor of such boat has been completely shut off and its progress has ceased.
(3) It is unlawful to use a vehicle, aircraft, unmanned aircraft, or motor-propelled boat for the purpose of pursuing, concentrating, or harassing any wild animal or wild bird, except as authorized by the department to aid in addressing wildlife conflict.
(4) It is unlawful to hunt big game on the day one was airborne in an aircraft, except on a regularly scheduled commercial airline flight.
(5) It is unlawful to hunt game animals, game birds, or migratory birds on the day one has operated an unmanned aircraft.
Item 1 spells it out and doesn't specify a time between locating wildlife and hunting (ie out of season vs. in season)
Post by: jackelope on November 05, 2019, 12:38:52 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on November 05, 2019, 12:40:23 PM
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=220-413-070
PDFWAC 220-413-070
Hunting with aid of aircraft, boats or other vehicles.
(1) It is unlawful to use aircraft, including unmanned aircraft, to spot, locate or report the location of wildlife for the purpose of hunting; except as authorized by a permit issued by the director.
(2) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife from a vehicle, aircraft, including unmanned aircraft, except as authorized by a permit issued by the director, or from a boat propelled by motor unless the motor of such boat has been completely shut off and its progress has ceased.
(3) It is unlawful to use a vehicle, aircraft, unmanned aircraft, or motor-propelled boat for the purpose of pursuing, concentrating, or harassing any wild animal or wild bird, except as authorized by the department to aid in addressing wildlife conflict.
(4) It is unlawful to hunt big game on the day one was airborne in an aircraft, except on a regularly scheduled commercial airline flight.
(5) It is unlawful to hunt game animals, game birds, or migratory birds on the day one has operated an unmanned aircraft.
[Statutory Authority: RCW 77.04.012, 77.04.013, 77.04.020, 77.04.055, 77.12.020, 77.12.040, 77.12.047, 77.12.150, 77.12.210, 77.12.240, 77.12.320, 77.12.570, 77.12.800, 77.15.245, 77.32.007, 77.32.050, 77.32.070, 77.32.090, 77.32.370, and 77.32.530. WSR 18-11-061 (Order 18-76), § 220-413-070, filed 5/11/18, effective 6/11/18. Statutory Authority: RCW 77.04.012, 77.04.013, 77.04.020, 77.04.055, and 77.12.047. WSR 17-05-112 (Order 17-04), recodified as § 220-413-070, filed 2/15/17, effective 3/18/17. Statutory Authority: RCW 77.12.040. WSR 82-04-034 (Order 177), § 232-12-057, filed 1/28/82; WSR 81-12-029 (Order 165), § 232-12-057, filed 6/1/81. Formerly WAC 232-12-150.]
Post by: Bob33 on November 05, 2019, 12:41:37 PM
Post by: N7XW on November 05, 2019, 12:42:44 PM
Is scouting defined as 'for the purpose of hunting'? I would interpret it to be. And if there is game there, are they being harassed?
I would say YES and YES.
Post by: Special T on November 05, 2019, 12:43:51 PM
Is scouting defined as 'for the purpose of hunting'? I would interpret it to be. And if there is game there, are they being harassed?Point 5 is what I was thinking. If it's the week before or more I'm not sure how it would be any different than flying a plane and waiting a day.
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=220-413-070
PDFWAC 220-413-070
Hunting with aid of aircraft, boats or other vehicles.
(1) It is unlawful to use aircraft, including unmanned aircraft, to spot, locate or report the location of wildlife for the purpose of hunting; except as authorized by a permit issued by the director.
(2) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife from a vehicle, aircraft, including unmanned aircraft, except as authorized by a permit issued by the director, or from a boat propelled by motor unless the motor of such boat has been completely shut off and its progress has ceased.
(3) It is unlawful to use a vehicle, aircraft, unmanned aircraft, or motor-propelled boat for the purpose of pursuing, concentrating, or harassing any wild animal or wild bird, except as authorized by the department to aid in addressing wildlife conflict.
(4) It is unlawful to hunt big game on the day one was airborne in an aircraft, except on a regularly scheduled commercial airline flight.
(5) It is unlawful to hunt game animals, game birds, or migratory birds on the day one has operated an unmanned aircraft.
[Statutory Authority: RCW 77.04.012, 77.04.013, 77.04.020, 77.04.055, 77.12.020, 77.12.040, 77.12.047, 77.12.150, 77.12.210, 77.12.240, 77.12.320, 77.12.570, 77.12.800, 77.15.245, 77.32.007, 77.32.050, 77.32.070, 77.32.090, 77.32.370, and 77.32.530. WSR 18-11-061 (Order 18-76), § 220-413-070, filed 5/11/18, effective 6/11/18. Statutory Authority: RCW 77.04.012, 77.04.013, 77.04.020, 77.04.055, and 77.12.047. WSR 17-05-112 (Order 17-04), recodified as § 220-413-070, filed 2/15/17, effective 3/18/17. Statutory Authority: RCW 77.12.040. WSR 82-04-034 (Order 177), § 232-12-057, filed 1/28/82; WSR 81-12-029 (Order 165), § 232-12-057, filed 6/1/81. Formerly WAC 232-12-150.]
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Post by: N7XW on November 05, 2019, 12:45:25 PM
How would they prove that flying a drone in the summer was for the "purpose of hunting"?I doubt the authorities could prove it, but it would seem like an obvious intent. If I had an expensive drone, I sure wouldn't go flying it in and around the woods. I'd find a lot better location with less obstacles that could cause a crash.
:twocents:
Post by: Bob33 on November 05, 2019, 12:47:27 PM
Why would it be obvious? There are plenty of people with drones who don't hunt.How would they prove that flying a drone in the summer was for the "purpose of hunting"?I doubt the authorities could prove it, but it would seem like an obvious intent. If I had an expensive drone, I sure wouldn't go flying it in and around the woods. I'd find a lot better location with less obstacles that could cause a crash.
:twocents:
Post by: Ghost Hunter on November 05, 2019, 12:47:37 PM
How would they prove that flying a drone in the summer was for the "purpose of hunting"?
Back to (3)? I would find better options to use my time and resources. Others can fight the battle.
Post by: N7XW on November 05, 2019, 12:51:01 PM
No doubt there are people that fly them that don't hunt. But is it common for them to go fly them out in the middle of nowhere? :dunno:Why would it be obvious? There are plenty of people with drones who don't hunt.How would they prove that flying a drone in the summer was for the "purpose of hunting"?I doubt the authorities could prove it, but it would seem like an obvious intent. If I had an expensive drone, I sure wouldn't go flying it in and around the woods. I'd find a lot better location with less obstacles that could cause a crash.
:twocents:
Post by: Bob33 on November 05, 2019, 12:51:42 PM
Perhaps, although it is more or less harassing than someone motoring around the woods in an ATV to scout?How would they prove that flying a drone in the summer was for the "purpose of hunting"?
Back to (3)? I would find better options to use my time and resources. Others can fight the battle.
I don't plan to do it or necessarily endorse it, but I find it difficult to believe that someone could be successfully prosecuted for it if the activity occurred distinct from a time when hunting was legal.
Post by: N7XW on November 05, 2019, 12:53:46 PM
AgreedPerhaps, although it is more or less harassing than someone motoring around the woods in an ATV to scout?How would they prove that flying a drone in the summer was for the "purpose of hunting"?
Back to (3)? I would find better options to use my time and resources. Others can fight the battle.
I don't plan to do it or necessarily endorse it, but I find it difficult to believe that someone could be successfully prosecuted for it if the activity occurred distinct from a time when hunting was legal.
Post by: bobcat on November 05, 2019, 12:56:45 PM
Post by: capt.coho on November 05, 2019, 01:04:24 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 05, 2019, 01:05:43 PM
It's pretty common for people to scout with airplanes. Doesn't seem to be an issue with that.
The guy who had the Governor's elk tag a few years ago got in trouble for scouting from an aircraft, didn't he? Or, at least the guide got in trouble. :dunno:
Post by: Bob33 on November 05, 2019, 01:15:49 PM
I would think if a highly visible hunter kills a highly visible animal within a day of someone in his party flying in the same area the elk was killed, it would easier to connect the dots.It's pretty common for people to scout with airplanes. Doesn't seem to be an issue with that.
The guy who had the Governor's elk tag a few years ago got in trouble for scouting from an aircraft, didn't he? Or, at least the guide got in trouble. :dunno:
Post by: Buckhunter24 on November 05, 2019, 01:21:55 PM
Post by: elkchaser54 on November 05, 2019, 01:22:40 PM
Post by: Moe the Sleaze on November 05, 2019, 01:24:30 PM
No thanks, it's not for me. I acknowledge your argument for non-harassment/pressure, but I still prefer to keep drones out of the woods.
I also still prefer paper maps. I do however, hunt with modern firearms occasionally. Call me a hypocrite if you want.
"Plus ce change, plus c'est la meme chose!"
Post by: Moe the Sleaze on November 05, 2019, 01:28:41 PM
Post by: N7XW on November 05, 2019, 01:48:18 PM
First off if you never have flown a drone, you dont understand how noisy they are. Yes they are electric but the tiny propellers are moving at such a high rate of speed that they produce lots of sound. Unless your very high off the ground it will spook animals. Then if you're that high you wont have any detail of your drainage that a google earth imagery could show. Also if you see that bedded elk and it gets up and runs away, I'd say that's a pretty easy case to prove Wildlife harassment. Drones are also banned from wilderness areas of national forests. Guys shooting 900 yards like it's nothing, chasing animals with drones, shooting from the truck, doesnt anyone care about fair chase and conservation anymore ? It seems like everyone just wants their facebook likes and to have their face out their with all the manufacturers pics.:yeah:
Post by: CP on November 05, 2019, 02:27:53 PM
Post by: X-Force on November 05, 2019, 02:38:19 PM
The guy was looking for guidance and got it. Why jump on the thread just to bash?
Post by: Moe the Sleaze on November 05, 2019, 02:45:57 PM
Perhaps you can find the answer to your question in your own signature line.
Respectfully,
Moe
Post by: N7XW on November 05, 2019, 02:54:19 PM
:hunt2:
When does drone season start and what's the bag limit? :chuckle:
Post by: Platensek-po on November 05, 2019, 02:59:54 PM
Post by: N7XW on November 05, 2019, 03:04:18 PM
Pretty sure they are invasive. So I would guess it’s the same as coyote:chuckle: :tup:
Post by: X-Force on November 05, 2019, 03:50:34 PM
Hey X,Touché
Perhaps you can find the answer to your question in your own signature line.
Respectfully,
Moe
:chuckle:
Post by: ganghis on November 05, 2019, 04:24:57 PM
Ha ha, just playin. Not a huge fan of the idea though, but mainly because I hate seeing drones when I'm out in the woods (not that it happens very often).
Post by: MADMAX on November 05, 2019, 04:57:10 PM
Laughed
Lady yelled at him and said that’s cheating
He put it away
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: meatwhack on November 05, 2019, 06:38:34 PM
Post by: boneaddict on November 05, 2019, 06:44:24 PM
Post by: The scout on November 05, 2019, 06:46:47 PM
When is enough enough with technology.
:yeah: it would never cross my mind to use one for that, how lazy can you be.
Post by: jstone on November 05, 2019, 07:07:48 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 05, 2019, 07:09:06 PM
Post by: N7XW on November 05, 2019, 07:12:02 PM
Must be a mellennial thing.:chuckle:
Post by: Caseyd on November 05, 2019, 08:23:36 PM
Must be a mellennial thing.
Flatbill helps keep sun out of eyes while looking at the remote 8)
Post by: 444Marlin on November 05, 2019, 08:44:46 PM
But the best way to scout is to get some boots on the ground and find the game trails and reading sign and get in your pre-season conditioning, practice moving through the woods quietly and doing some old fashioned glassing. All those things get your mind and body more prepared for finding game when the season comes around.
Post by: jackson7 on November 05, 2019, 09:20:05 PM
When is enough enough with technology.
Well said!