Post by: HntnFsh on November 18, 2019, 04:44:10 PM
http://www.chronline.com/news/exploring-a-potential-root-cause-of-elk-hoof-disease/article_1808c784-0a61-11ea-8677-336734d925d6.html
Post by: High Climber on November 18, 2019, 05:48:30 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on November 18, 2019, 06:38:58 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 19, 2019, 10:48:39 AM
Hopefully, timber and chemical company money won't be connected to WSU's research, is it is with so many politicians in hoof disease-affected areas of the state. There's a lot of big corporation money floating around out there and a lot of people happy to accept it.
Post by: BDildine on November 19, 2019, 10:52:54 AM
Post by: 2MANY on November 19, 2019, 10:53:20 AM
Money talks and elk can't walk!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Griiz on November 19, 2019, 12:12:06 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 19, 2019, 12:15:56 PM
Post by: fireweed on November 20, 2019, 08:59:57 AM
I was at a focus group on elk hoof disease with a Weyerhaeuser person there too. When we were asked, "should anything be taken off the table?" as far as solutions to hoof rot, the Weyco employee dutifully said that changes to their forest activities (ie spraying) should be out of bounds. Of course, I pushed back, but the employee was suggesting that it shouldn't even be considered or looked at. Off the table from the start! ...Don't look behind this curtain. There is nothing to see here...
Post by: 2MANY on November 20, 2019, 09:10:30 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 20, 2019, 11:59:06 AM
We were all assigned GPS locations and supposed to go to location and look for elk, counting numbers of infected, etc..
The day before we went they locked up all the gates into area, could not even reach our GPS "starting point"
Was a complete waste of time.
Best thing about new study is it's NOT run by WDFW.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 20, 2019, 12:04:54 PM
I was part of one of their studies also.
We were all assigned GPS locations and supposed to go to location and look for elk, counting numbers of infected, etc..
The day before we went they locked up all the gates into area, could not even reach our GPS "starting point"
Was a complete waste of time.
Best thing about new study is it's NOT run by WDFW.
I did this, too and thought it was a waste of a day.
Post by: follow maggie on November 20, 2019, 01:41:40 PM
While this concerns hoof rot, I bet we would see more grouse with less spraying too.
I bet you're right. I think this will show that WDFW basically just whores themselves out to whoever has a big check book- not that it matters in this state.
Post by: fowl smacker on November 20, 2019, 03:41:07 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 20, 2019, 04:59:35 PM
While this concerns hoof rot, I bet we would see more grouse with less spraying too.I saw an article about a study the other day about herbicides and fish. The herbicides looked at killed algae, which made up the low end of the aquatic food chain. The conclusion was those herbicides were leading to fewer fish and smaller fish.
Post by: Mudman on November 20, 2019, 06:15:42 PM
Post by: bornhunter on November 23, 2019, 09:04:30 AM
While this concerns hoof rot, I bet we would see more grouse with less spraying too.
I used to live next to a large parcel of weyco ground. After watching spraying and fertilizing from the air, it wasnt long and you could walk up to grouse and pick them up. The breast meat of the birds was black. Didnt take long and grouse ceased to exist in the area.
Post by: fireweed on November 23, 2019, 12:21:05 PM
Post by: Mudman on November 23, 2019, 01:06:28 PM
Post by: BDildine on November 24, 2019, 09:59:34 AM
It is no coincidence that deer got mangy, elk footy and grouse vanished at around the same times and areas...What about the honeybee mystery? Where all all the frogs and salamanders I remember from youth? How are the fish doing? Alzheimer/dementia/autism? Who knows? It all seems to have elevated after 1980's? Gotta wonder...I have no doubt that they are somehow either directly or indirectly connected, Theres no way you can introduce chemicals in masse to the environment on large scale and not have rippling effects, and after years/generations of spraying your now seeing the effects of it.
The thing is unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt, that much change will happen. They wont change willingly, and they have millions to spend on lawyers to tie it up in court for years. You'll about have to legislate it out with massive public backing/pressure IMO.
Post by: bbarnes on December 01, 2019, 09:21:54 AM
Post by: Tinmaniac on December 01, 2019, 09:54:08 AM
Post by: High Climber on December 01, 2019, 12:06:24 PM
Packing up camp now just outside of Pe Ell.4.5 days hunting,25 elk spotted.Every single one was limping bad.It won't be long before there are no elk left on the West side.
Sad. Weyco land or state?
Post by: JBar on December 01, 2019, 01:11:15 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 01, 2019, 01:16:14 PM
Packing up camp now just outside of Pe Ell.4.5 days hunting,25 elk spotted.Every single one was limping bad.It won't be long before there are no elk left on the West side.
Sad. Weyco land or state?
I'm suprised with Inslee being such a "leader" in saving the environment that he hasn't signed an emergency order banning the use of pesticides on timberlands!
The state sprays that crap, too, on DNR land. Check Inslee's political donors and see where Syngenta, Monsanto, and Weyerhauser rank on the list. That will give you an idea of how principled our governor is regarding the environment. The environment is only important to the left as a vehicle to socialism. Getting re-elected is more important than elk.
Post by: Bob33 on December 01, 2019, 01:53:46 PM
Post by: Tinmaniac on December 01, 2019, 03:08:37 PM
Post by: Mudman on December 01, 2019, 04:29:18 PM
Post by: jstone on December 01, 2019, 04:34:40 PM
Post by: Tinmaniac on December 01, 2019, 04:45:36 PM
Um, do some more reading. Trep bacteria is a normal occurring thing. So why is immune response not working? Vaccines are for viral not bacterium. Elk are immune suppressed. Why? Time and research will tell the truth if people listen and the big $ doesn't shut it down. Fact is the truth has been out there for a decade but people are not listening because the science is attacked as flakey/junk discredited by who? Yup Monsanto etc.What makes the science saying it's the Trep bacteria credible and not junk science?So your saying that they should be able to take a healthy elk and soil from a known non- contaminated area and spray the elk and soil with herbicide and the elk will get will get hoof rot.Interesting.
Post by: Mudman on December 01, 2019, 04:46:28 PM
Post by: jstone on December 01, 2019, 04:54:44 PM
Polluting the wells and water is a big deal.!!
Post by: Mudman on December 01, 2019, 04:56:43 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 02, 2019, 10:43:04 AM
After seeing the condition these elk were in my son spent each evening reading about hoof rot.Within an hour he confirmed what I already suspected.Herbicides may have an effect but are not the cause of hoof rot.I am not going into detail and would suggest everyone do their own research before blaming it all on spraying.The fact is that hoof rot is a death sentence for any elk that gets it.It is not just a bad case of toe jam,these elk are dying of infection and it is plain to see.Hoof rot knows no borders,without a vaccine it will continue to spread.It's in a large part of the landscape now and as more elk get it the further it spreads.Herbicides are not causal. It is suggested by many, including esteemed biologists, that ingesting sprayed plants reduces immunity resistance to the effect of the bacteria on ungulates. There are no trepanemes or leptospira in pesticides. These are and have been, however, very common bacteria in damp climates. Why they hadn't caused hoof disease prior to the late 80s is the question. What has changed in the last 30 years?
Post by: Mudman on December 03, 2019, 08:31:06 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 04, 2019, 08:32:16 AM
Post by: Mudman on December 04, 2019, 10:03:10 AM