Post by: tritt007 on December 12, 2019, 06:50:33 PM
https://mynorthwest.com/1636992/inslee-ag-assault-weapons-ban/?show=comments#comments
Post by: jstone on December 12, 2019, 06:57:07 PM
They created this society, they are trying to freak people out
Post by: Taco280AI on December 12, 2019, 07:08:55 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on December 12, 2019, 07:15:06 PM
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Post by: storyteller on December 12, 2019, 07:29:30 PM
https://mylegalheat.com/classes/online/washington-i-1639-training-course/
Post by: JL on December 12, 2019, 07:30:14 PM
Post by: tritt007 on December 12, 2019, 07:34:21 PM
Post by: Bango skank on December 12, 2019, 07:35:25 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 12, 2019, 08:31:37 PM
Post by: Cougartail on December 12, 2019, 10:30:14 PM
The assault weapons ban may fall flat on its face. There is a group in California challenging it based on the heller decision and Scalia's opinion on not being able to ban a weapon that is "in common use at the time." AR-15 is in common use being that it the most commonly use semi auto in the country.
Unconstitutional laws have been passed and enforced for years. The 2nd means nothing to these people. No one wants to sit in jail while things are hashed out. Consequences for passing unconstitutional laws need to be passed as to stop these freedom hating leftist's.
Post by: Special T on December 12, 2019, 11:51:39 PM
Figured this thread would be a good place to ask. Anynody have a link to that online class b.s. i need to do to buy a semi auto now?
Dont do it! build an 80% lower!
Post by: Hi-Liter on December 13, 2019, 07:42:29 AM
Post by: CP on December 13, 2019, 07:52:34 AM
I don't know Patty but I vote against Strom in every election. I wish others would as well.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 13, 2019, 07:56:50 AM
What say you now?
Post by: jstone on December 13, 2019, 07:57:31 AM
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Post by: Henrydog on December 13, 2019, 08:16:26 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 13, 2019, 08:41:53 AM
Problem is not enough people vote. I vote every time, hear people complain and ask them if they voted sometimes they say no. Come on peopleThis is probably the easiest place to vote. You get almost a month to fill out a form and then mail it in for free. No lines, no missed work, no missing part of modern elk, etc. I think the highest returns for a county still only come in around 55%.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on December 13, 2019, 08:55:03 AM
I vote in every election. I am a 2 subject voter 1) pro gun 2) anti tax. Beside my obvious objections to this clown what make me more upset is an AG who is pushing new legislation. That is not his role and goes against the whole principle of separation of powers.So true but as they show us daily those jackwagons on care about laws they agree with!
Post by: knighttime25 on December 13, 2019, 09:36:15 AM
Problem is not enough people vote. I vote every time, hear people complain and ask them if they voted sometimes they say no. Come on people
It's frustrating when you're one of the ones that does vote and then they sue because they don't like the outcome of the people's vote ($30 car tabs)....
Post by: nwwanderer on December 15, 2019, 04:11:13 PM
Post by: konradcountry on December 24, 2019, 09:00:17 AM
Problem is not enough people vote. I vote every time, hear people complain and ask them if they voted sometimes they say no. Come on people
The real problem is that King county is basically a protectorate of California.
Oregon has the same problem. A few rural counties outvote everyone else.
What we need is a new gun rights organization for the northwest. The NRA has basically abandoned the west coast. They stopped fighting Democrats in California and now they don't care about us either.
Post by: Igor on December 24, 2019, 09:10:24 AM
Problem is not enough people vote. I vote every time, hear people complain and ask them if they voted sometimes they say no. Come on people
The real problem is that King county is basically a protectorate of California.
Oregon has the same problem. A few rural counties outvote everyone else.
What we need is a new gun rights organization for the northwest. The NRA has basically abandoned the west coast. They stopped fighting Democrats in California and now they don't care about us either.
We have that gun rights organization right here in the Northwest......it's called the Second Amendment Foundation.
https://www.saf.org/
I contribute to them on a regular basis, and would encourage others here to do the same.
Post by: konradcountry on December 24, 2019, 09:52:46 AM
Problem is not enough people vote. I vote every time, hear people complain and ask them if they voted sometimes they say no. Come on people
The real problem is that King county is basically a protectorate of California.
Oregon has the same problem. A few rural counties outvote everyone else.
What we need is a new gun rights organization for the northwest. The NRA has basically abandoned the west coast. They stopped fighting Democrats in California and now they don't care about us either.
We have that gun rights organization right here in the Northwest......it's called the Second Amendment Foundation.
https://www.saf.org/
I contribute to them on a regular basis, and would encourage others here to do the same.
We need a Northwest or West Coast focused group that isn't associated with the NRA.
Like it or not the media has successfully convinced the voters that the NRA is the problem.
In fact to our emotionally laden voters an NRA rejection is equal to an endorsement.
We need a different angle. Maybe a sportsmen focused group.
Post by: Igor on December 24, 2019, 09:59:40 AM
Problem is not enough people vote. I vote every time, hear people complain and ask them if they voted sometimes they say no. Come on people
The real problem is that King county is basically a protectorate of California.
Oregon has the same problem. A few rural counties outvote everyone else.
What we need is a new gun rights organization for the northwest. The NRA has basically abandoned the west coast. They stopped fighting Democrats in California and now they don't care about us either.
We have that gun rights organization right here in the Northwest......it's called the Second Amendment Foundation.
https://www.saf.org/
I contribute to them on a regular basis, and would encourage others here to do the same.
We need a Northwest or West Coast focused group that isn't associated with the NRA.
Like it or not the media has successfully convinced the voters that the NRA is the problem.
In fact to our emotionally laden voters an NRA rejection is equal to an endorsement.
We need a different angle. Maybe a sportsmen focused group.
THE SAF has nothing to do with the NRA...........did you look at the link I provided? It was founded by Alan Gottlieb, and is based in Bellevue, WA. I have met and talked with Mr. Gottlieb through the Washington Arms Collectors, and he is very dedicated to preserving and protecting our 2nd Amendment rights.
Post by: konradcountry on December 24, 2019, 10:08:37 AM
THE SAF has nothing to do with the NRA...........did you look at the link I provided? It was founded by Alan Gottlieb, and is based in Bellevue, WA. I have met and talked with Mr. Gottlieb through the Washington Arms Collectors, and he is very dedicated to preserving and protecting our 2nd Amendment rights.
They are filing a joint lawsuit with the NRA. That's enough for the media and anti-gun groups to work with.
I also don't think the lawsuit is well thought out. Sorry.
Post by: Igor on December 24, 2019, 11:33:42 AM
THE SAF has nothing to do with the NRA...........did you look at the link I provided? It was founded by Alan Gottlieb, and is based in Bellevue, WA. I have met and talked with Mr. Gottlieb through the Washington Arms Collectors, and he is very dedicated to preserving and protecting our 2nd Amendment rights.
They are filing a joint lawsuit with the NRA. That's enough for the media and anti-gun groups to work with.
I also don't think the lawsuit is well thought out. Sorry.
No offense intended, but "hoping" that another organization is going to stick up for your gun rights in Washington is a bit naive. The SAF has had many, many legal victories since it was founded in 1974. Other than the NRA and the SAF, nobody is going to bat for gun owners against I-1639.
Our gun rights in this state are going down the crapper, and will continue to do so. As long as Inslee and Ferguson continue unabated in their quest to deny us our rights, we only have ourselves to blame if we don't help those fighting on our behalf. And if you things are bad now...................just wait.
Post by: Special T on December 24, 2019, 01:57:47 PM
Post by: konradcountry on December 25, 2019, 12:40:35 PM
No offense intended, but "hoping" that another organization is going to stick up for your gun rights in Washington is a bit naive. The SAF has had many, many legal victories since it was founded in 1974. Other than the NRA and the SAF, nobody is going to bat for gun owners against I-1639.
Our gun rights in this state are going down the crapper, and will continue to do so. As long as Inslee and Ferguson continue unabated in their quest to deny us our rights, we only have ourselves to blame if we don't help those fighting on our behalf. And if you things are bad now...................just wait.
No offense taken.
I'm well aware that our state is following the path of California and I'm not happy about it.
This is why I don't think the current strategy is going to work.
The NRA has lost just about every lawsuit in California.
Post by: Bango skank on December 25, 2019, 12:49:43 PM
the only strategy that can work at this point is to crank the rope factories up to full production and begin decorating trees and lamp posts.No offense intended, but "hoping" that another organization is going to stick up for your gun rights in Washington is a bit naive. The SAF has had many, many legal victories since it was founded in 1974. Other than the NRA and the SAF, nobody is going to bat for gun owners against I-1639.
Our gun rights in this state are going down the crapper, and will continue to do so. As long as Inslee and Ferguson continue unabated in their quest to deny us our rights, we only have ourselves to blame if we don't help those fighting on our behalf. And if you things are bad now...................just wait.
No offense taken.
I'm well aware that our state is following the path of California and I'm not happy about it.
This is why I don't think the current strategy is going to work.
The NRA has lost just about every lawsuit in California.
Post by: konradcountry on December 25, 2019, 01:08:32 PM
The NRA has done nothing to counter this. They lavishly spend on executive salaries and perks while doing nothing about the indoctrination problem. They just aren't good at countering what happens in the schools and media. I honestly don't think the executives even care about AR-15s. Everything they do tells me it isn't a priority for them. I think they assume the west coast will ban them and they don't care.
So this is why I think we need a new organization. It's not just about 1639. We don't have an organization that is countering the media. The NRA just yells about a bill being unconstitutional when the majority doesn't understand what that really means. So they aren't going to care if a judge basically says "nah" without an explanation.
The media has also convinced the public that the AR-15 is the problem. The NRA never points out that AR-15s aren't even used in 1% of homicides. They don't have the guts to point out that most gun related homicides occur in about 12 Democrat monopoly cities. Most of the US is no more violent than Europe. But the NRA doesn't have the guts to point out the truth since it is politically incorrect.
Post by: Taco280AI on December 25, 2019, 01:13:19 PM
Then they'll go after handguns.
Then...
Until they're all gone
Post by: Lucky1 on December 25, 2019, 01:30:01 PM
Polls have shown that the majority doesn't understand the intent of 2A. This includes many gun owners.You seem to think you know a lot about what the NRA does and doesn’t do, and what they think and stand for. Lots of anger and vitriol in your anti NRA posts.
The NRA has done nothing to counter this. They lavishly spend on executive salaries and perks while doing nothing about the indoctrination problem. They just aren't good at countering what happens in the schools and media. I honestly don't think the executives even care about AR-15s. Everything they do tells me it isn't a priority for them. I think they assume the west coast will ban them and they don't care.
So this is why I think we need a new organization. It's not just about 1639. We don't have an organization that is countering the media. The NRA just yells about a bill being unconstitutional when the majority doesn't understand what that really means. So they aren't going to care if a judge basically says "nah" without an explanation.
The media has also convinced the public that the AR-15 is the problem. The NRA never points out that AR-15s aren't even used in 1% of homicides. They don't have the guts to point out that most gun related homicides occur in about 12 Democrat monopoly cities. Most of the US is no more violent than Europe. But the NRA doesn't have the guts to point out the truth since it is politically incorrect.
Why don’t you just go help some pro gun organization and quit bitching about the NRA. You are doing nothing to help keep our 2A rights. Your rants are just negative and counter productive. You owe the NRA for most of the rights you still have. I don’t have much hope that you will acknowledge that, and I don’t really care much either. DO SOMETHING! Give money. Join one of the other groups and be a 2A activist.
Post by: konradcountry on December 26, 2019, 09:04:49 PM
You seem to think you know a lot about what the NRA does and doesn’t do, and what they think and stand for. Lots of anger and vitriol in your anti NRA posts.
Yea I realize that I don't take the common view here. That doesn't mean I am filled with rage and anger.
NRA CEO Wayne Pierre compensation in 2018 was 2.2 million in 2018. Average Wall St CEO salary was 400k.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nra-paid-wayne-lapierre-2-2-million-in-2018-a-55-increase-11573854835
NRA drop in political spending in 2018
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/10/2018-gun-control-outspends-nra-rights/
Why don’t you just go help some pro gun organization and quit bitching about the NRA.
Why are you defending Wayne LaPierre who is clearly just lining his pockets? Or do you think he deserved that million dollar pay raise? Is the NRA winning?
You are doing nothing to help keep our 2A rights.
You have no idea as to what I am involved in.
I gave reasons as to why I'm disappointed with the NRA. Feel free to buy Wayne another jet.
Post by: TooTallMike on December 26, 2019, 11:32:45 PM
Post by: Windwalker on December 27, 2019, 11:43:35 PM
Bottom line - support the enemy of your enemies.
If you are searching for a squeaky clean agenda, human nature and political motivations are guaranteed to wilt your lilies. If you don’t feel like sending $$ to the NRA don’t.
Just know they have done a lot of good. I certainly hope they pull it together & wish them the best of luck doing so.
Right now the FPC will put those donations to good use.
And don’t forget the Second Amendment Foundation.
https://www.saf.org/
I also contribute to them on a regular basis, and would encourage others here to do the same.
Post by: Twispriver on December 28, 2019, 12:19:39 PM
Post by: Lucky1 on December 28, 2019, 06:35:08 PM
I am not interested in getting in a pissing match with you.You seem to think you know a lot about what the NRA does and doesn’t do, and what they think and stand for. Lots of anger and vitriol in your anti NRA posts.
Yea I realize that I don't take the common view here. That doesn't mean I am filled with rage and anger.
NRA CEO Wayne Pierre compensation in 2018 was 2.2 million in 2018. Average Wall St CEO salary was 400k.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nra-paid-wayne-lapierre-2-2-million-in-2018-a-55-increase-11573854835
NRA drop in political spending in 2018
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/10/2018-gun-control-outspends-nra-rights/Why don’t you just go help some pro gun organization and quit bitching about the NRA.
Why are you defending Wayne LaPierre who is clearly just lining his pockets? Or do you think he deserved that million dollar pay raise? Is the NRA winning?You are doing nothing to help keep our 2A rights.
You have no idea as to what I am involved in.
I gave reasons as to why I'm disappointed with the NRA. Feel free to buy Wayne another jet.
You are right. I do not know what you do to help protect our 2A rights. I should have said that complaining about the NRA is not helping. If you do anything at all, kudos to you. It’s more than most gun owners do.