Post by: Stein on December 12, 2019, 09:44:22 PM
I found a site that said for .177 I should have 760 fps and 8 ft lbs, shots will be in the 10 yard range. I don't care if it is operated by CO2, pump, break, or any other method. I have plenty of time to whip it out, load, cock and aim.
This is all I found, what options are out there for those much more knowledgeable?
https://www.amazon.com/Hatsan-Supercharger-Vortex-Airgun-Black/dp/B00JZNQLU6
Post by: 7mmfan on December 12, 2019, 09:52:21 PM
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Post by: KFhunter on December 12, 2019, 10:00:06 PM
I would get the .22 cal version for sure
https://www.pyramydair.com/product-all-reviews/m/Diana_Bandit_PCP_Air_Pistol/4637
Post by: Alchase on December 12, 2019, 10:00:30 PM
.177 @1200 FPS
$149
Post by: KFhunter on December 12, 2019, 10:01:07 PM
Try a Gamo Silent Cat. Great pellet rifle for a decent price.
.177 @1200 FPS
$149
He wants a pistol, go all stealth mode rabbit slayin :chuckle:
gonna hide it under his naugahyde duster
Post by: KFhunter on December 12, 2019, 10:09:54 PM
and go through a break in period for max accuracy, not so bad on a pcp gun, but those spring air break barrel guns for sure.
Post by: Alchase on December 12, 2019, 10:11:15 PM
Try a Gamo Silent Cat. Great pellet rifle for a decent price.
.177 @1200 FPS
$149
He wants a pistol, go all stealth mode rabbit slayin :chuckle:
gonna hide it under his naugahyde duster
:chuckle:
Post by: ribka on December 13, 2019, 06:55:44 AM
I ve killed dozens of squirrels, rabbits with the above growing up. cheap, fairly quiet and shoots ok for shots under 20 yards
Post by: Curly on December 13, 2019, 07:00:30 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 13, 2019, 07:28:56 AM
Is it even legal to use an air rifle or pistol?
No, it isn't. This would be considered poaching by the DFW.
Post by: ghosthunter on December 13, 2019, 07:33:17 AM
Is it even legal to use an air rifle or pistol?
No, it isn't. This would be considered poaching by the DFW.
Beat me to it.
Silence :tup:
Post by: KFhunter on December 13, 2019, 08:48:25 AM
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Post by: Tracker0721 on December 13, 2019, 08:58:30 AM
Post by: Stein on December 13, 2019, 09:08:03 AM
Oh! So these aren't domestic ferel rabbits?
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Of course, only unclassified domestic rabbits. :chuckle:
I looked through the regs in the small game section, but didn't notice the blurb later in the regs that captures it for all game animals.
The problem is that small game includes really small animals and larger ones and you would have to propose a change for just some small game animals and where to draw the line could be difficult. But, like with archery it would be easy to set some sort of threshold on rated FPS or energy and it would be fine.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 13, 2019, 09:21:38 AM
Oh! So these aren't domestic ferel rabbits?
Domestic feral?
:chuckle:
Yes, air rifles should be permitted for certain classified and unclassified small game. When researching it, I believe you still need at least a small game license, but I have not looked in several years.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 13, 2019, 09:42:56 AM
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Post by: pianoman9701 on December 13, 2019, 11:01:59 AM
If they are domestics, I don't see why it's an issue. It's like shooting an eastern grey squirrel - is there a law against using air rifles on invasive species?
I would check with your local gamie. He's the one who'd be writing the citations. I don't believe it's legal to use a pellet gun on a squirrel, either, but I could be wrong.
Post by: Platensek-po on December 13, 2019, 11:52:05 AM
Not sure if it’s right or not but it does say you can use air rifles in Washington state.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 13, 2019, 11:58:53 AM
"*Click on the specific state and read state specific regulations, limitations and requirements.
Always consult with your local state authorities to be sure there were no recent state changes impacting hunting laws and regulations in that particular state!"
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 13, 2019, 12:16:27 PM
Post by: Stein on December 13, 2019, 12:26:18 PM
Post by: Platensek-po on December 13, 2019, 01:08:27 PM
Copied from the game book itself:
Hunt game birds or game animals with anything other than a firearm, a bow and arrow, a crossbow, or by falconry Bullfrogs may only be taken by angling, hand dip netting, gigging, and bow and arrow.
Post by: kselkhunter on December 13, 2019, 01:10:07 PM
Comes down to whether the LEO/warden would choose to give you a hard time or not. An air gun is not classified as a firearm because it uses air and not an explosive to propel the projectile.
Cottontail/Snowshoe season is open Sep 1 to March 31 and requires small game license. Pygmy, jackrabbit, etc. are closed statewide. If you live west side, most local wild rabbits would be considered a cottontail breed. East side, I would be more careful identifying before shooting.
Post by: jackelope on December 13, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
Post by: Tracker0721 on December 13, 2019, 09:27:19 PM
Post by: WaltAlpine on December 16, 2019, 10:16:34 AM
If nobody gets me one for Christmas, I'm going to get an air rifle like all of my friends and take it to the squirrels and rabbits!
Post by: Curly on December 16, 2019, 10:32:56 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 16, 2019, 11:40:40 AM
That table shows cottontail is classified as game animals. I don't see how they can legally be taken with air guns... :dunno:
I been doing some looking, the native cotton tails we have are very small pigmy, or a big cotton tail (Nuttall’s Cottontail) that likes sage brush and desert type landscape.
Other than that it's pika's, snowshoe hare or two species of jackrabbit. (if its white in the winter... don't use a pellet gun!)
So if there's no sage around, and they're not pygmy...then it's almost certainly a European cottontail which are invasive and non-game species.
I would be confident enough that its perfectly legal to blast them with a pellet gun at this point :tup:
Post by: Stein on December 16, 2019, 01:14:21 PM
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Post by: Curly on December 16, 2019, 01:14:37 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 16, 2019, 01:17:43 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 16, 2019, 01:21:26 PM
I don't believe it matters if cotton tails are native. They are listed in the regs as a game animal and have a season, therefore they can only be shot by a licensed hunter with legal weapons. Sounds like they were released in the 1930's to be a game animal and that is what they are now even if they weren't native originally. :twocents:
You are correct, I did an error and conflated "European cottontail" with "European rabbit" No cottontails can be hunted with a pellet gun, they're either a game species or protected
Sorry no more pellet gun :(
unless they're european rabbits
Post by: Tracker0721 on December 16, 2019, 02:37:26 PM