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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: Bigshooter on January 21, 2020, 10:00:05 AM

Title: Firestick
Post by: Bigshooter on January 21, 2020, 10:00:05 AM: https://www.traditionsfirearms.com/category/nitrofire-muzzleloader-series

Looks interesting. Would it be legal in WA?
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: gutsnthegrass on January 21, 2020, 10:15:37 AM: I don't see why it wouldn't be legal since they legalized the 209 ignition.
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 21, 2020, 10:27:36 AM: I like it. Same principle as the Ultimate Remington so should be fine?

From description:
"
1. Load your saboted projectile, such as a Smackdown® Carnivore™ bullet, through the muzzle with your ramrod. Push it down the barrel and seat it on the shelf within the barrel. You’ll feel the bullet stop with resistance. This provides a consistent starting point every time.

2. Break open the action on the NitroFire™ with the release button located near the trigger guard and insert the Federal Premium® Firestick™ into the breech area.

3. Place a 209 primer into the primer pocket of the Federal Premium® Firestick™. Close up the NitroFire™ and your muzzleloader is fully loaded. "
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: Lead ball 54 on January 21, 2020, 12:32:36 PM: Do the firesticks come in different size powder charges and do you have to use the firesticks or can you use loose powder?
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 21, 2020, 12:39:00 PM: Only 100 and 120 gr options right now. Suppose you could reload your own sticks like the Remington. My concern would be that you can only seat bullet to shelf not top of powder so not sure what leaving a gap does or how much gap is ok. The 120 may be max for Vortek rifle this is designed for but suspect other heavier rifles will follow.
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: Lead ball 54 on January 21, 2020, 01:34:51 PM: I never did get on the pre charged pellet thing now the firesticks what if my gun and load shot best with85 grns or maybe 130 that's the fun is finding that sweet spot but I guess if all you do is hunt for 2 weeks then put it up that would be what you want
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 21, 2020, 02:39:53 PM: Quote from: Lead ball 54 on January 21, 2020, 01:34:51 PM
I never did get on the pre charged pellet thing now the firesticks what if my gun and load shot best with85 grns or maybe 130 that's the fun is finding that sweet spot but I guess if all you do is hunt for 2 weeks then put it up that would be what you want

Maybe you have to shoot their recommended ammo also for best groups? Or tinker with ammo vs powder? But how many muzzle loaders vary their load anyway? Muzzy is probably like modern rifles where 90% (?) shoot factory ammo and thats plenty good enough ?
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: Angry Perch on January 21, 2020, 02:49:27 PM: Seems it would depend on how they define the term "loaded". It must be loaded from the muzzle. I'd consider the powder charge part of the "load"
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: Skillet on January 21, 2020, 05:01:46 PM: Interesting concept, but not a fan.

It seems like the technology creep into "primitive weapon" categories has accelerated in the last dozen years. But I like to shoot lead conicals out of a side hammer rifled barrel instead of pebbles out of a blunderbuss, so I suppose I also fall prey to the temptation of tech creep. I'm just about a century behind the new developments :chuckle:
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: Bigshooter on January 24, 2020, 08:18:16 AM: Quote from: Angry Perch on January 21, 2020, 02:49:27 PM
Seems it would depend on how they define the term "loaded". It must be loaded from the muzzle. I'd consider the powder charge part of the "load"

This is why I asked if it would be legal here.
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: MountainDevil54 on January 24, 2020, 08:57:24 AM: it'll be discontinued by next year. Total flop
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: Harleysboss on January 25, 2020, 05:07:44 PM: Seems like the "NEW" "Muzzleloaders" are starting to resemble break action 45-70 CF rifles. This new version stops just short of a loaded metallic cartridge. The designer stopped just shy of having the bullet loaded into the case. Man I hope Wa lets us start using BPCR in our muzzleloader seasons :tup:.
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: buckfvr on February 06, 2020, 09:09:45 AM: Anyone know for sure yet ???
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 27, 2020, 07:19:07 AM: Legal verified yet???
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: woodswalker on February 27, 2020, 07:56:53 AM: Looks more like a Schutzen rifle where the bullet is seated independently with a tool (albeit from the breech instead of the muzzle) and the charged case is inserted in the breech.
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 27, 2020, 07:59:55 AM: The defining legal characteristic is Muzzle Loaded and the firestick is.
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: Angry Perch on February 27, 2020, 12:47:41 PM: Quote from: Magnum_Willys on February 27, 2020, 07:59:55 AM
The defining legal characteristic is Muzzle Loaded and the firestick is.

The Firestick itself is breech loaded.
Title: Re: Firestick
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 27, 2020, 02:28:04 PM: I’d say not legal since in wa muzzle loaders have to use black powder or a substitute recommended for any muzzle loading rifle. These fire sticks use a proprietary powder.