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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: gasman on April 07, 2009, 09:34:25 AM

Title: Whats you preferance?
Post by: gasman on April 07, 2009, 09:34:25 AM: Red Hawk or Black Hawk

Whats your preferance and why?

I am considering on of the two guns and want to hear you opion.
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: Intruder on April 07, 2009, 09:46:04 AM: I'm no expert on the variations and and subtel differences but isn't the big difference double vs. single action? I've always thought doubles were more versatile overall.... :dunno:
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: Kain on April 07, 2009, 09:47:52 AM: I would prefer to have the Redhawk for the shape of the grip but mostly because it is double action.

Here is a discussion on the same thing with pictures of both guns.
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/ruger/22446-ruger-blackhawk-vrs-redhawk.html
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 07, 2009, 09:53:43 AM: Redhawk. I like the option of double action. You can always pull back the hammer and still shoot it like a single action if you want...
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Post by: Kain on April 07, 2009, 10:00:41 AM: Redhawk also a swing out cylinder for faster easier reloading.
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Post by: superdown on April 07, 2009, 10:09:46 AM: If this is to be a hunting weapon you will most likely never use the double action on an animal. It's also common knowledge that your not going to stop any kind of a charge with a handgun. so it really doesn't matter just get the one that feels better to you . ;)
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 07, 2009, 10:17:46 AM: Why can't a charge be stopped with a handgun? I know people aren't accurate under pressure but at 5 feet a .460 or .500 would do some damage...
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: Ray on April 07, 2009, 10:24:39 AM: Super blackhawk BISLEY HUNTER

You can set the single action trigger back and make accurate shots. If you are within reasonable shooting range you probably will not miss. A good gun for the money. Not to mention that they build custom guns on top of the design for a reason. It can take hot loads and abuse quite well too.
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Post by: jdb on April 07, 2009, 11:33:08 AM: I prefer the blackhawk. mostly becasue I think it looks better. but also because its lighter, and I feel it handles better. as far as double action versus single action goes on heavy sixgun I doubt you could fire double any faster the single. and the only wat to find out for sure would be a gun fighte between bob mundan and jerry mucielec :o
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Post by: mossback91 on April 07, 2009, 11:39:34 AM: Blackhawk........
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Post by: boneaddict on April 07, 2009, 11:47:08 AM: Quote
stop any kind of a charge with a handgun

I did and I am still here to talk about it. Thompson Contender, 300 pound black bear in the chest, one shot 30-30. Glad I had something with a little oooompf
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: mattaylor81 on April 07, 2009, 11:54:07 AM: I have both. A Redhawk in 44 Mag, and a Blackawk in 45 Colt. I prefer the Blackhawk due to the lighter weight which means it is more likely to be on my hip when in the woods, and the shape of the grip helps with the recoil. The Blackhawk rolls in your hand as oppose to hammering the @#$! out of your hand.
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: superdown on April 07, 2009, 11:56:00 AM: Quote
Quote from: popeshawnpaul on April 07, 2009, 10:17:46 AM
Why can't a charge be stopped with a handgun? I know people aren't accurate under pressure but at 5 feet a .460 or .500 would do some damage...
I guess anything is possible but all the research i have done on the subject has said likley hood is so slim that it is not worth staking your life on. A long arm or pepper spray is a better bet . I do know their are a few cases of people stopping a charge with a handgun. but it is not the best tool for the job .
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Post by: Ray on April 07, 2009, 12:03:21 PM: Quote
The Blackhawk rolls in your hand

I have heard that before.
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Post by: boneaddict on April 07, 2009, 12:09:28 PM: Most people probably wouldn't get the shot off and get it off accurately is probably the point of alot of that, even with a longarm.
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Post by: Ray on April 07, 2009, 12:23:29 PM: Bears move real fast when they want to. Don't mis-judge their ability to move fast in relation to their mass.
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Post by: Huntbear on April 07, 2009, 01:30:36 PM: Redhawk all the way!!!!! I have owned both, and the Blackhawk dug into my hands wrong, even with Pachmyr grips. My Redhawk, is my preference over any big bore handgun. It is a Ruger, so it has the longer cylinder(for heavier bullet loads), that swings out for reloading, double action, which may or may not be used on animals, but if I come up against 2 legged predators, it is a comfort to have that ability. You can still get a nice crisp, clean trigger, with a hone job and spring replacement. And you can mount a scope easier on one than on a Blackhawk.

It boils down really to which fits your hand best, and how it feels when you shoot it. For me it was a no brainer, after shooting both. Redhawk, hands down.
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: HawkenBob on April 07, 2009, 01:40:29 PM: Brain shot or upper spine shot is your only chance at stopping a charging bear in its tracks. Hitting it there in a stressfire situation is another story. But big handguns can have the penetration to do it.

They move full speed 30 plus mph for up to 300 yards once the heart has stopped.

Id get a Super Blackhawk. Ever fired a 44 mag double action with bear penetrating loads? First shot is likely the only one that will hit its mark. The rest are going higher and higher...IMO. But I like the Blackhawk. Love the western look and all. And Im only worried about the first shot. Even with a redhawk, if I have time to get a second, Id still pull the hammer back.

Or hunt with a buddy thats slower than you! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: sisu on April 07, 2009, 01:56:52 PM: Quote from: Ray on April 07, 2009, 10:24:39 AM
Super blackhawk BISLEY HUNTER

You can set the single action trigger back and make accurate shots. If you are within reasonable shooting range you probably will not miss. A good gun for the money. Not to mention that they build custom guns on top of the design for a reason. It can take hot loads and abuse quite well too.
I took Ray and Pacyew's advice and bought one at the gun show for a good price. Took it out Sunday ran 50 rounds through it like it was my S&W617. I've shot my fair share of 29s, 629s, the Beast(S&W) 500 and Contender 44mag, 357 Herrot, 444, 45-70. NOT one of them compare to the comfort of the Bisley Hunter. I was using 240 grain cast bullet, 6.7 grains of Unique and a large pistol primer. had my wife shoot it and her comment was, "It kicks less than my 357s."

The pistol is built to last. I'm very pleased with it and will enjoy shooting for many years to come.

Read this: http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger_Bisley_Hunter.htm
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: jdb on April 07, 2009, 08:29:06 PM: no offence sisu but your load is a cream puff and wouldn't kick in any gun. :)
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Post by: Ray on April 07, 2009, 09:11:09 PM: I agree. Try something like 320 grains for a .44 mag :chuckle:
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Post by: Slider on April 07, 2009, 10:15:33 PM: I have had 2 Redhawks in 44 mag and a Super Redhawk in 44 mag. I have always liked a double action over a single action. They are big and heavy!!! And thats without a scope!!!
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: jdb on April 08, 2009, 05:38:47 PM: Quote from: Ray on April 07, 2009, 09:11:09 PM
I agree. Try something like 320 grains for a .44 mag :chuckle:
I have some 325's for my .45 that are doin like 1300 :yike: they buck some.
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: Bofire on April 08, 2009, 06:41:55 PM: :chuckle: 629 6 inch
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Post by: rasbo on April 08, 2009, 06:44:24 PM: Quote from: Bofire on April 08, 2009, 06:41:55 PM
:chuckle: 629 6 inch
x2
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Post by: jager on April 08, 2009, 07:30:36 PM: I do like the Blackhawk Bisley, but I own the Redhawk 45/454. Very comfortable to shoot even the .454
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Post by: superdown on April 08, 2009, 07:40:03 PM: 8) Nice setup jager.
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Post by: Huntbear on April 08, 2009, 08:02:32 PM: Very nice jager!!! :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 08, 2009, 08:04:32 PM: Quote from: superdown on April 07, 2009, 11:56:00 AM
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Quote from: popeshawnpaul on April 07, 2009, 10:17:46 AM
Why can't a charge be stopped with a handgun? I know people aren't accurate under pressure but at 5 feet a .460 or .500 would do some damage...
I guess anything is possible but all the research i have done on the subject has said likley hood is so slim that it is not worth staking your life on. A long arm or pepper spray is a better bet . I do know their are a few cases of people stopping a charge with a handgun. but it is not the best tool for the job .

I feel pretty naked in the woods with just my bear spray... Something about it doesn't give me the confidence I need when my life is on the line. I would die with more satisfaction knowing I miss the shot(s) in the event of a charge, rather than having a can of spray not work... Maybe I need to see some bear spray in action?
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: Ray on April 08, 2009, 08:19:51 PM: Here's my bisley hunter super blackhawk. I don't usually have the scope on there. The weight on the barrel helps with shot placement.

(https://hunting-washington.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/P2250029.JPG)
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: boneaddict on April 08, 2009, 08:20:27 PM: I'd have to agree with pope. I feel much better in any bear country with a sidearm. My luck the bear would like salt and "pepper" with his steak dinner
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: Remmark on April 08, 2009, 09:14:59 PM: I never liked the way the Blackhawk rolled in my hand compared to the Redhawk style for most loads. I carried a .41 Blackhawk in Alaska ( especially when flying). The grip of the Super Redhawk is just like the gp100 and is the best type of material for absorbing recoil that i've found. Phil Schoemaker of Alaska (a guide who writes for the gun rags) says he and his daughter carry .357 mags with a 180gr hard cast bullet and aim for the brain/spine for complete penetration not expansion. Bill Jordon agreed with them saying that a .357 maggie is more controllable than a .44 mag to put multiple shots into the critter (if'n you can). Maybe a good compromise is to carry a Buffaloe Bore heavy .44 special load using a 255 grain hardcast bullet @ 1000 fps. This load is controllable in my 4" Smith 29
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: superdown on April 08, 2009, 09:23:15 PM: Quote from: popeshawnpaul on April 08, 2009, 08:04:32 PM
Quote from: superdown on April 07, 2009, 11:56:00 AM
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Quote from: popeshawnpaul on April 07, 2009, 10:17:46 AM
Why can't a charge be stopped with a handgun? I know people aren't accurate under pressure but at 5 feet a .460 or .500 would do some damage...
I guess anything is possible but all the research i have done on the subject has said likely hood is so slim that it is not worth staking your life on. A long arm or pepper spray is a better bet . I do know their are a few cases of people stopping a charge with a handgun. but it is not the best tool for the job .

I feel pretty naked in the woods with just my bear spray... Something about it doesn't give me the confidence I need when my life is on the line. I would die with more satisfaction knowing I miss the shot(s) in the event of a charge, rather than having a can of spray not work... Maybe I need to see some bear spray in action?
I also carry a side arm for the same reasons wether it be a false sense of security or not.
Title: Re: Whats you preferance?
Post by: gasman on April 09, 2009, 05:18:53 AM: Well, as lang as things go as planned i am going to trade my Beretta 96 for a Super Blackhawk.
We are going to meet tommorow to make the exchange.

I Whent to Welches gun shop and held a Super Blackhawk and like the way it felt, but my only issue will be i need to replace the original grip a after market grip. (I have fat palms) My pinky finger only fits half way on the grip, (or underneith the gun) but the aftermarket grip fits great and is very comfortable.