Post by: ThurstonCokid on February 23, 2020, 04:50:46 PM
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Post by: farmin4u_98948 on February 23, 2020, 05:09:43 PM
Post by: zwickeyman on February 23, 2020, 05:11:28 PM
Does your pad have some R value/insulation. That will help a bunch. I think my pad has a 4.2 R value, totally guessing here but I think it helps about 10 degrees
Post by: Bill W on February 23, 2020, 05:31:14 PM
Post by: follow maggie on February 23, 2020, 05:39:22 PM
Like others have said, the temp rating of a sleeping bag doesn’t mean you’re comfortable to that temp. There’s just too much variability in what each of us defines as comfortable. The rating means you won’t freeze to death.
Post by: 444Marlin on February 23, 2020, 06:15:10 PM
A stove's weight in down could go a long ways to warming you. I have a hot tent, but the stoves are not for all night burning. They are great for drying out gear, and keeping you toasty until bed time. You could probably get a couple hours out of it once you fall asleep, but then you'd have to stoke it again. I do save a bit on packing in fuel, since I can cook some meals and heat water on top of it.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 23, 2020, 06:35:31 PM
Post by: mburrows on February 23, 2020, 06:38:20 PM
Depending on your bag manufacturer consider trying a different brand along with a pad that has a higher r value.
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on February 23, 2020, 06:57:15 PM
Post by: 444Marlin on February 23, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
10-15 degree fib. If you want to ensure your bag or quilt will keep you warm at 15 degrees, buy a 0 degree product. There ya go.
He said he was getting cold in a 0 degree bag in 30. I'm guessing his bag has lost it's loft or he doesn't have good draft collars. I agree with you, that a bag 10-15 degrees lower rating than the lowest expected outside temp. I still sport a wool knit hat and wool longjohns.
Post by: Stein on February 23, 2020, 08:11:33 PM
Some guys count ounces, which I do to some degree, but I don't even know how much my winter bag weighs because it doesn't matter. After one night, it gets pretty detrimental to not get sleep.
Bag ratings vary as does the individual. Some sleep hot, some sleep cold. Either way, also try upping your fat intake in the pm and calories in general. An old winter camping trick I was taught in the 90's was to put a slab of butter in your hot chocolate right before bed. Still works, if you overeat fat before bed your metabolism ticks up and it helps. I'm not a big eater in the backcountry except when it's cold and I consciously eat as much as I can get down.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 23, 2020, 08:12:25 PM
Post by: Stein on February 23, 2020, 08:17:34 PM
10-15 degree fib. If you want to ensure your bag or quilt will keep you warm at 15 degrees, buy a 0 degree product. There ya go.
He said he was getting cold in a 0 degree bag in 30. I'm guessing his bag has lost it's loft or he doesn't have good draft collars. I agree with you, that a bag 10-15 degrees lower rating than the lowest expected outside temp. I still sport a wool knit hat and wool longjohns.
Yeah, especially with synthetic bags, you need to treat them right. If you leave them in the trunk on a hot summer day they are going to lose some loft as well as not storing them right. Same thing for down to some degree, but in my experience it is a bit more forgiving. Synthetics also have a shorter lifespan from my experience, so one of those might be a factor with yours.
Post by: RB on February 23, 2020, 09:16:45 PM
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 23, 2020, 10:04:11 PM
Not to jack the thread, but staying warm has not been a problem, having a battery to power my CPAP for more than one night is the problem! If I could get that figured out I could stay in the mountains more! As has been mentioned an extra layer of synthetic while in the bag helps I have to do this when it gets cold with my 15 degree bag.Does the battery need to be warmer? Is it out in the cold, below freezing?
Post by: kselkhunter on February 23, 2020, 10:11:11 PM
A sleeping bag liner can add 5-10F to the warmth rating of your sleep system, and keeps your bag cleaner. Also for me my down booties really help. As do wool long underwear and a warm beanie cap.
Unless you are waking up to feed the stove throughout the night, the titanium backpacking stoves don't typically keep a fire going all night so that wouldn't help much for your sleeping. They're nice to dry clothes out and go to bed in a warm tent, but that stove will go out during the night.
Post by: RB on February 23, 2020, 10:14:52 PM
Not to jack the thread, but staying warm has not been a problem, having a battery to power my CPAP for more than one night is the problem! If I could get that figured out I could stay in the mountains more! As has been mentioned an extra layer of synthetic while in the bag helps I have to do this when it gets cold with my 15 degree bag.Does the battery need to be warmer? Is it out in the cold, below freezing?
No I have a high pressure so need more power, just can't get more than one night on a battery. Plus the weight of carrying the equipment is not very advantageous to going too far. I went without on my goat hunt in 2016 for two nights and was wiped out physically and mentally between the pack out and two nights of no CPAP, kept the Bears away though with my snoring hahaha.
Post by: huntnnw on February 23, 2020, 10:24:23 PM
Post by: JeffRaines on February 23, 2020, 11:21:58 PM
As far as a hot tent, they're nice... but those little wood stoves aren't like the big wood stoves in wall tents. You're looking at 2ish hours tops depending on how big your firebox is. Great at the end of a wet day, but its not like a wall tent stove where you can damp it down and it'll burn all night... unless you enjoy waking up every two hours to reload the stove.
Besides, by the time you buy the stove and tent you'll be well above the cost of a better bag... and you'll still need it, so start there!
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 24, 2020, 06:58:36 AM
OP hasn't mentioned the brand of his bag yet(at least not that I've seen). They're expensive, but I'd look into a Western Mountaineering or Feathered Friends for a true-to-temp rated bag.
As far as a hot tent, they're nice... but those little wood stoves aren't like the big wood stoves in wall tents. You're looking at 2ish hours tops depending on how big your firebox is. Great at the end of a wet day, but its not like a wall tent stove where you can damp it down and it'll burn all night... unless you enjoy waking up every two hours to reload the stove.
Besides, by the time you buy the stove and tent you'll be well above the cost of a better bag... and you'll still need it, so start there!
:yeah: I have hot tent but unless going to be wet I use 2 man tent, 0 montbell degree bag and downmat 7 pad. Check out Western Mountaineering bags.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 24, 2020, 07:57:04 AM
OP hasn't mentioned the brand of his bag yet(at least not that I've seen). They're expensive, but I'd look into a Western Mountaineering or Feathered Friends for a true-to-temp rated bag.:yeah: and 2hrs is pretty generous on burn time. Most of the time the wood supply isn't that quality, so to get good quality heat you are feeding sticks pretty often. As others have said, buy a better bag.....or buy a flourless shelter and Ti stove and a better bag :chuckle:
As far as a hot tent, they're nice... but those little wood stoves aren't like the big wood stoves in wall tents. You're looking at 2ish hours tops depending on how big your firebox is. Great at the end of a wet day, but its not like a wall tent stove where you can damp it down and it'll burn all night... unless you enjoy waking up every two hours to reload the stove.
Besides, by the time you buy the stove and tent you'll be well above the cost of a better bag... and you'll still need it, so start there!
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2020, 08:17:21 AM
Post by: KFhunter on February 24, 2020, 09:04:27 AM
buy a flourless shelter and Ti stove and a better bag :chuckle:
Yes! :tup:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 24, 2020, 09:06:15 AM
I'd probably go with a floorless shelter though and not a flourless :bash: :chuckle:buy a flourless shelter and Ti stove and a better bag :chuckle:
Yes! :tup:
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 24, 2020, 10:56:01 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 24, 2020, 11:09:58 AM
Was wondering what the benefits of flour where... never heard of it but hey, something new and cool comes along once in a while. Good thing I didn't try it.. :chuckle:benefit is you basically become a human wind checker after your first nights sleep :chuckle:
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on February 24, 2020, 11:18:32 AM
Post by: KFhunter on February 24, 2020, 11:32:13 AM
Was wondering what the benefits of flour where... never heard of it but hey, something new and cool comes along once in a while. Good thing I didn't try it.. :chuckle:benefit is you basically become a human wind checker after your first nights sleep :chuckle:
....and mice, softly brushing your ears and giving you little mice kisses all night long
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 24, 2020, 12:16:17 PM
Was wondering what the benefits of flour where... never heard of it but hey, something new and cool comes along once in a while. Good thing I didn't try it.. :chuckle:benefit is you basically become a human wind checker after your first nights sleep :chuckle:
....and mice, softly brushing your ears and giving you little mice kisses all night long
Oh .ok perfect..i was afraid it was something weird. :rolleyes:
Post by: ThurstonCokid on February 24, 2020, 01:36:12 PM
Hey all thanks for the tips and posting. I’m very interested in a floor-less tent and would love to get one(starting to look now) here’s a pic of my current sleeping bag. I thought it was 0 degree but turns out it’s 15.. (no wonder those 15 degree nights seemed cold huh? Does anyone have experience with lux hiking gear tent and stove or seek outside? I’d love to see pics weight ex.. all of the gear will have to fit in my backpack!! Happy hunting and thanks again
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Post by: HikerHunter on February 24, 2020, 02:49:34 PM
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Post by: ThurstonCokid on February 24, 2020, 04:10:08 PM
Just looked into this and it’s awesome maybe what I’m looking for. Does it have a stove pipe iincluded in the package?
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Post by: ThurstonCokid on February 24, 2020, 04:10:31 PM
Look at LiteOutdoors. They are good stoves and the tent is pretty nice. You can get into a combo there for less than $700. Seek is very high quality and just about anything they make is great but you are going to $$pay$$ for it. PM me and I'll tell you more. They wont let me share the link unless I pay.
Does this have stove pipe included? Thanks for this info looks great online
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Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2020, 04:19:28 PM
Look at LiteOutdoors. They are good stoves and the tent is pretty nice. You can get into a combo there for less than $700. Seek is very high quality and just about anything they make is great but you are going to $$pay$$ for it. PM me and I'll tell you more. They wont let me share the link unless I pay.
You can share the link. People share links all the time. You're no different. You can't promote the business you were promoting where you were being given gear in exchange for posting reviews online.
https://www.liteoutdoors.com/product/liteoutdoors-titanium-stove/
Lite Outdoors is the old GoLite people.
Post by: follow maggie on February 24, 2020, 04:22:46 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 24, 2020, 04:42:10 PM
Post by: 444Marlin on February 24, 2020, 05:14:58 PM
Prior to the Seek Outside, I've owned a Black Diamond Megamid and the Go Lite floorless tents. I like them, because you can wear the boots inside, let the dogs (and sometimes the kids!), spill the coffee... But, in the summer you can get spiders and critters in there.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 24, 2020, 05:26:26 PM
I use the 8 man Seek Outside tent. It's great and I'll be getting a smaller one for backpacking.
Prior to the Seek Outside, I've owned a Black Diamond Megamid and the Go Lite floorless tents. I like them, because you can wear the boots inside, let the dogs (and sometimes the kids!), spill the coffee... But, in the summer you can get spiders and critters in there.
If not backpacking a wall tent or Alaknak other walled tent options are quicker, roomier and cheaper than tipi's IMO. I use the tipi for pack-in camps and spike camps but gets old in a hurry compared to wall tent or alaknak luxury and zero condensation - plus you can run a big stove in a wall tent that will burn 3-4 hours.
Post by: huntnnw on February 24, 2020, 10:27:14 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 25, 2020, 07:55:39 AM
Post by: CoryTDF on February 25, 2020, 12:01:03 PM
Look at LiteOutdoors. They are good stoves and the tent is pretty nice. You can get into a combo there for less than $700. Seek is very high quality and just about anything they make is great but you are going to $$pay$$ for it. PM me and I'll tell you more. They wont let me share the link unless I pay.
You can share the link. People share links all the time. You're no different. You can't promote the business you were promoting where you were being given gear in exchange for posting reviews online.
https://www.liteoutdoors.com/product/liteoutdoors-titanium-stove/
Lite Outdoors is the old GoLite people.
Check your PM as I do not want to thread jack.
Post by: Buckjunkie on February 25, 2020, 12:28:05 PM
He grew up poor. I thought it was a genius idea when you have a fire.
Post by: ThurstonCokid on February 25, 2020, 01:04:31 PM
Look at LiteOutdoors. They are good stoves and the tent is pretty nice. You can get into a combo there for less than $700. Seek is very high quality and just about anything they make is great but you are going to $$pay$$ for it. PM me and I'll tell you more. They wont let me share the link unless I pay.
You can share the link. People share links all the time. You're no different. You can't promote the business you were promoting where you were being given gear in exchange for posting reviews online.
https://www.liteoutdoors.com/product/liteoutdoors-titanium-stove/
Lite Outdoors is the old GoLite people.
Check your PM as I do not want to thread jack.
Can you message me a little info on the lite outdoors? Thanks!
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Post by: ThurstonCokid on February 25, 2020, 01:04:51 PM
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Post by: 444Marlin on February 25, 2020, 07:46:39 PM
The rock idea is very very smart..Wasn't there a scene in Jeremiah Johnson where they threw their bedrolls on some buried campfire coals? That seems to be a good method to keep warm...unless you have an inflatable sleeping pad and a $500 Western Mountaineering bag.
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Post by: JeffRaines on February 25, 2020, 11:29:53 PM
The reviews on that Nemo bag say its barely good to 30 degrees, with 650 down vs 850 or 900 preferred sounds like thats a good summer bag but you need a good 0 or -10 bag.
Yeah dude, before you go throwing money on a new shelter and a stove buy yourself a high end bag. Your first 15 degree night with your fancy new shelter and stove is gonna be the same when you realize the stove goes out after 2 hours and now it’s cold. Western Mountaineering, feathered friends. I hear good things about montbell. One of those three.
Second tip - store your sleeping bags UNCOMPRESSED. Seriously. Compressing the insulation will make it less effective. Only compress it when it goes into your pack.
Third tip - buy a nice high r value pad.
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Post by: fowl smacker on February 26, 2020, 03:29:18 PM
Not me I hang my sleeping bags and pads in my closet so they keep dry and are allowed to air out. You will find that things last longer this way.Me too, that's what I meant my storing mine uncompressed.
Post by: ThurstonCokid on February 27, 2020, 09:44:40 AM
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 27, 2020, 12:03:08 PM
I just bought this from mountainsmith, and will install a stove jack in it. Ive only had it up 2 nights to test it out, seems good so far. I found a discount code and got it for 107 delivered. Hoping to find a small stove for it in the next few months. Its not very tall but more than enough room for 1 guy. Weighs under 2 pounds, you need hiking poles or to cut your own poles out of wood..
That looks pretty slick, like the discontinued sawtooth or paratipi from Kifaru.
I use the 8 man Seek Outside tent. It's great and I'll be getting a smaller one for backpacking.
That's what I have, and that is also my plan. I don't want to be packing that 8 man.
Post by: 92xj on February 27, 2020, 12:37:02 PM
I just bought this from mountainsmith, and will install a stove jack in it. Ive only had it up 2 nights to test it out, seems good so far. I found a discount code and got it for 107 delivered. Hoping to find a small stove for it in the next few months. Its not very tall but more than enough room for 1 guy. Weighs under 2 pounds, you need hiking poles or to cut your own poles out of wood..
That looks pretty slick, like the discontinued sawtooth or paratipi from Kifaru.I use the 8 man Seek Outside tent. It's great and I'll be getting a smaller one for backpacking.
That's what I have, and that is also my plan. I don't want to be packing that 8 man.
Neither the Sawtooth or the paratarp are discontinued from Kifaru.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 27, 2020, 01:10:23 PM
I just bought this from mountainsmith, and will install a stove jack in it. Ive only had it up 2 nights to test it out, seems good so far. I found a discount code and got it for 107 delivered. Hoping to find a small stove for it in the next few months. Its not very tall but more than enough room for 1 guy. Weighs under 2 pounds, you need hiking poles or to cut your own poles out of wood..
That looks pretty slick, like the discontinued sawtooth or paratipi from Kifaru.I use the 8 man Seek Outside tent. It's great and I'll be getting a smaller one for backpacking.
That's what I have, and that is also my plan. I don't want to be packing that 8 man.
Neither the Sawtooth or the paratarp are discontinued from Kifaru.
Good to know. It seems at one time I searched for these (paratipi), and they did not have them listed. Thanks.