Post by: Tracker0721 on April 06, 2020, 08:48:51 AM
And I know the tikka has a mag that only allows factory rounds to be loaded but seeing that it produced .5 moa for guys with factory Hornady I’m fine with that. I don’t play with seating depth anyways when I reload.
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 06, 2020, 08:54:28 AM
Post by: mburrows on April 06, 2020, 09:00:19 AM
If you can shoot a light weight rifle just as well as a heavy one more power to ya and I'd probably go with the lighter option.
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Post by: Henrydog on April 06, 2020, 09:00:46 AM
Post by: jrebel on April 06, 2020, 09:05:21 AM
Also...how light is light? I have a 15lb gun that sucks to carry. My 300 win mag runs around 9 lbs. pretty significant difference. I'm not sure I would want a 6 lbs 300 win mag.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 06, 2020, 09:09:21 AM
The heavier the rifle, the bigger the brake the easier to shoot and easier to spot your own hits. You don't need any of that hunting moose in alaska. Get the light rifle imo.
Post by: Wood2Sawdust on April 06, 2020, 09:16:37 AM
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 09:24:12 AM
If you get a light rifle, put a muzzle brake on it. It will be lound but the felt recoil will be managed. At the end of the day they are loud with or without a brake so might as well have on...IMO.
Or put a suppressor on it
Post by: jackelope on April 06, 2020, 09:24:28 AM
Tikka's advertised weight is 5.9-6 pounds for a superlite. Remington says 9 pounds on the 700LR.
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on April 06, 2020, 09:25:34 AM
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Post by: kselkhunter on April 06, 2020, 09:26:48 AM
Recoil is a function of total rifle weight. There is a pound of difference between a heavy NightForce scope and a lightweight Swarovski or one of the lighter Leupold models. And a range of other brands in between. Also whether you will use a buttstock ammo holder, bipod, etc.
That 6-6.5lb Tikka or a similar weight Browning X-Bolt can quickly get to 8lbs-9lbs depending on what all you're adding to it.
I'm not a fan of muzzle brakes for personal preference, so none of my rifles have one. My long range X-bolt setup is 9.3lbs with scope in 7mmRM and it's a *censored*cat for recoil...I'd personally be fine with a 300WM in 9lb total weight w/o brake. My 35 Whelen is 8.2lbs with scope, and it is my upper tolerance limit for recoil when shooting 250gr rounds....
Beartooth bullets has a handy recoil calculator that provide recoil energy and velocity, and Chuck Hawks has a comparison table for recoil amongst cartridges to give you a quick comparison for what you're used to with recoil.
Post by: MADMAX on April 06, 2020, 09:28:30 AM
Shoots great and super light
Highly recommended
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Post by: fowl smacker on April 06, 2020, 10:15:55 AM
I personally wouldn't want a Tikka in 300 Win. Mag. Just too light and it will not be fun to shoot. If you want the Tikka get it in 270 Win. or something similar. That's still plenty for moose especially if you use a good bullet like a Barnes 140 grain.I have a Tikka T3 lite in 300WSM. I have a limb saver pad on and I don't mind shooting it at all. I'm not a big guy either at 5'8" 175lbs
Post by: Ironhead on April 06, 2020, 10:19:13 AM
Post by: bigdub257 on April 06, 2020, 10:20:07 AM
I have 2 lr set ups over 12lb and one @ 15lb+. Since Im closer to 66 than 65, this is the year I decided to address the weight issue for a woods rifle. I bought this years Savage model 110 lightweight Storm and it comes in at 6lb 9 ounces scoped. I got 6.5 creedmoor since I already have everything for it. It shoots sub moa with factory ammo. Now, this rifle I am excited about and look forward to a few of the spots I will take it that I would not go with my 12 lbers. Recoil is not even notable....noticeable ? yes, but worth mentioning as in notable ?, no. So ya its not a 6-800 yard deer/elk rifle but I have that covered and will of course use that if the hunt calls for it. If you can have more than one hunt rifle, as far as Im concerned, the light weight, lower recoil chamberings offer a fine alternative to the 10lb and up rifles.
I'm in the same boat. Ordered a Savage 110 ultralite in 6.5 PRC, which I'm still waiting for. Plan on topping it with a VX5 HD 3-15X44 CDS. Hoping to be around 7.5 lbs. for the entire package.
Post by: magnanimous_j on April 06, 2020, 10:42:45 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on April 06, 2020, 11:13:01 AM
There is a reason for that. Just sayin. :sry:
Post by: CastleRocker on April 06, 2020, 12:15:57 PM
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 12:28:00 PM
There are several 300 rifles in classified for sale. There is always 300s for sale.
There is a reason for that. Just sayin. :sry:
:yeah:
Post by: fowl smacker on April 06, 2020, 12:42:22 PM
There are several 300 rifles in classified for sale. There is always 300s for sale.Because men are no longer men? :sry: :chuckle:
There is a reason for that. Just sayin. :sry:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 06, 2020, 12:46:51 PM
I am out hunting to shoot and kill an animal as my main goal, so ill take a little extra weight in my rifle to know i have complete confidence in the shot wether its near or far.
Theres other places to cut weight. :twocents:
That said i wouldnt want to carry a 12+ lb rifle everywhere either.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 06, 2020, 12:54:16 PM
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 12:56:14 PM
There are several 300 rifles in classified for sale. There is always 300s for sale.Because men are no longer men? :sry: :chuckle:
There is a reason for that. Just sayin. :sry:
Packin a big magnum on your shoulder doesnt mean youre packin a big magnum in your pants. :sry: :chuckle:
Post by: hunter_sean08 on April 06, 2020, 01:35:38 PM
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Post by: ellensburgpo on April 06, 2020, 02:12:36 PM
So I’m looking at a new rifle, really thinking about a 300 win mag and from anyone with experience on it, is a light rifle really a good idea in 300 win mag? I was looking at the tikka superlite but I like to shoot a lot and I found a Remington long range that seems more of what I’d need. Weight difference is 2lbs. For hiking up and over the mountains I feel the tikka would be nice but at the same time does the 2lbs make recoil a PITA while practicing at the range? And I have a good 20lbs I’m trying to lose but yeah. I’d like for by fall or next spring to be at my goal weight and have a great rifle for chasing bears or whatever else. Goal is to go for a hunt in Alaska for moose next year and I don’t think a guide would appreciate me showing up with my 30-30 haha
And I know the tikka has a mag that only allows factory rounds to be loaded but seeing that it produced .5 moa for guys with factory Hornady I’m fine with that. I don’t play with seating depth anyways when I reload.
I bet your guide would rather have you show up with a 30/30 that you are extremely proficient with then a 300WM that you suck with because you don’t enjoy shooting because of the recoil. Lots of people do well with magnums, I bet more don’t. It’s all about what your realistic needs are. Shooting a light rifle well is different then shooting a heavier rifle, lots of people struggle with lightweights because they seem to highlight deficiencies in form more. I’ve killed stuff with magnums and none of them would have been any less dead if it had been the 270, 7mm/08 etc. I’ve owned multiple Kimbers the first owners all claimed had issues, they didn’t, they’re just a little trickier to shoot well. It’s your money, but placement trumps headstamp every time.
Post by: fowl smacker on April 06, 2020, 02:48:15 PM
Strange way to judge a man's toughness, but you do you!There are several 300 rifles in classified for sale. There is always 300s for sale.Because men are no longer men? :sry: :chuckle:
There is a reason for that. Just sayin. :sry:
Packin a big magnum on your shoulder doesnt mean youre packin a big magnum in your pants. :sry: :chuckle:
Post by: Taco280AI on April 06, 2020, 02:51:06 PM
Why not just a T3x 30-06?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 06, 2020, 02:58:33 PM
Post by: BKMFR on April 06, 2020, 03:32:36 PM
One of my favorites now days is a Remington 700KS with safety that locks bolt(older model) in .300 Weatherby with Leupold 4.5x14x40..... handles nicely and kills with authority, and doesn't weigh a ton....
Post by: Alchase on April 06, 2020, 03:56:33 PM
All my other rifles became safe queens after firing my Finlight the first time.
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 06, 2020, 04:41:42 PM
Post by: Jellymon on April 06, 2020, 04:50:02 PM
The 1-4 # difference is not a damn thing if you can’t pack yourself / gear in! If you’re so worried about a couple pounds in a hunting situation- you better shoot the smallest buck you see period , cuz if that couple # is a big deal you’re screwed haha. Just get comfortable with what you shoot and get confident and you’re good.
If I had that attitude with all my gear I could needlessly be packing an extra 30lbs into the backcountry. It adds up quick and does make a difference.
Post by: huntnphool on April 06, 2020, 05:02:55 PM
There are several 300 rifles in classified for sale. There is always 300s for sale.
There is a reason for that. Just sayin. :sry:
:yeah:
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 06, 2020, 05:14:20 PM
The 1-4 # difference is not a damn thing if you can’t pack yourself / gear in! If you’re so worried about a couple pounds in a hunting situation- you better shoot the smallest buck you see period , cuz if that couple # is a big deal you’re screwed haha. Just get comfortable with what you shoot and get confident and you’re good.
If I had that attitude with all my gear I could needlessly be packing an extra 30lbs into the backcountry. It adds up quick and does make a difference.
Oh I get it don’t get me wrong. I pack in and hike in pretty deep. I understand all the other gear issues - I was just responding to the rifle question.
My main is 9.8oz
Post by: Goshawk on April 06, 2020, 05:32:04 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 06, 2020, 06:57:12 PM
There are several 300 rifles in classified for sale. There is always 300s for sale.What’s wrong with the 300? Serious question
There is a reason for that. Just sayin. :sry:
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Post by: ghosthunter on April 06, 2020, 07:01:27 PM
There are several 300 rifles in classified for sale. There is always 300s for sale.What’s wrong with the 300? Serious question
There is a reason for that. Just sayin. :sry:
Not a darn thing.
My point is a lot of guys buy them and sell them. Because they can’t take the recoil or get tired of it.
If you like it shoot it.
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 06, 2020, 07:02:44 PM
Probably nothing. I think they are just manufactured more than the other calibers, so it would stand to reason they would outnumber other calibers for resale. Just try getting bullets for reloading....about 100x the options for them than the next few calibers.There are several 300 rifles in classified for sale. There is always 300s for sale.What’s wrong with the 300? Serious question
There is a reason for that. Just sayin. :sry:
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Post by: Alchase on April 06, 2020, 07:05:49 PM
There are several 300 rifles in classified for sale. There is always 300s for sale.What’s wrong with the 300? Serious question
There is a reason for that. Just sayin. :sry:
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It is a fantastic caliber.
Some people do not care for the "kick" or "recoil" that some rifles are producing.
There are a ton of variables that determine how a rifle handles. Caliber is only one of them. When shot out of a well balanced rifle, the 300 WM will produce a lesser amount of felt recoil that a 30-06 shot from most of you over counter cheap plastic or resin stocked rifles.
Post by: Ingwe on April 06, 2020, 07:49:28 PM
Post by: Goshawk on April 06, 2020, 08:16:17 PM
There are several 300 rifles in classified for sale. There is always 300s for sale.What’s wrong with the 300? Serious question
There is a reason for that. Just sayin. :sry:
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Absolutely nothing, unless you just read yet another hunting/shooting article talking about the Magic Powers of the latest 6.5mm. The 300 is a workhorse up to and including military sniper work.
Post by: Tracker0721 on April 06, 2020, 08:31:20 PM
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Post by: birdshooter1189 on April 06, 2020, 10:59:49 PM
I bought my 300 win mag (Remington 798) and it had a 22 or 24" lightweight barrel and wood stock. Recoil was too much for me. I put a slip on recoil pad on the butt of the stock, still too much recoil. I think it weighed around 8-10lbs. I went to the other extreme and had it rebarreled with a 26" full bull barrel. Then put a heavy boyds thumb hole stock on it. Now it weighs about 18 lbs with scope and bipod. And now it shoots like a dream! No muzzle brake, but with 1.2" diameter at the muzzle end the shockwave goes all forward and is very plesant to the shooter.
Just don't ask me to pack it very far, and definitely don't ask me to fire it from a standing position.
I had trouble with a bear on my property and borrowed a 7mm mag from a family member. That rifle was a Remington 700 with a wood stock and 24" medium/heavy profile barrel. Weighed around 10-12lbs.
Morale of the story: I wish I'd have built my 300 win mag with a lighter barrel and kept it a more hunting-suited weight. My current opinion is that a 9-12lb rifle with a removable brake would be perfect. Put the brake on and wear good earmuffs for range shooting. For hunting, remove the brake and verify that POI is still good. I would remove the brake for hunting because of the higher chances of shooting without earplugs in and I don't want to blow out my eardrums.
Post by: Tiger1358 on April 06, 2020, 11:02:28 PM
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Post by: Taco280AI on April 07, 2020, 06:42:32 AM
But do we REALLY feel recoil when hunting?
It isn't about recoil for a shot during hunting. It's all the recoil during sighting in, load development, practicing that the person will remember, even subconsciously, that matters.
Post by: fowl smacker on April 07, 2020, 07:59:47 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on April 07, 2020, 08:02:01 AM
So you guys got me wondering what my Tikka t3lite 300WSM actually weighs so I weighed it in it's heaviest condition that I'd use it in. Most of the time I don't have my bipod attached, it depends on where I'm at. 9.10 lbs and zero issue with kick. :dunno:
Is there typically a difference in recoil between a 300WSM and 300WM?
Post by: ne kid on April 07, 2020, 08:29:33 AM
Post by: fowl smacker on April 07, 2020, 09:30:17 AM
Yes I would say there is a difference in recoil. I happen to have both calibers in the same gun,bought the wsm then a buddy needed money , and sold me 300wm both Winchester model 70 same exact gun. There is noticeable difference wsm less recoil by a distance.Shooting approximately the same load? I wonder why that would be?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 07, 2020, 09:36:56 AM
Less horsepower... Less powder capacity and lower velocity for a given bullet weight. :twocents:Yes I would say there is a difference in recoil. I happen to have both calibers in the same gun,bought the wsm then a buddy needed money , and sold me 300wm both Winchester model 70 same exact gun. There is noticeable difference wsm less recoil by a distance.Shooting approximately the same load? I wonder why that would be?
Post by: bobcat on April 07, 2020, 09:40:04 AM
Less horsepower... Less powder capacity and lower velocity for a given bullet weight. :twocents:Yes I would say there is a difference in recoil. I happen to have both calibers in the same gun,bought the wsm then a buddy needed money , and sold me 300wm both Winchester model 70 same exact gun. There is noticeable difference wsm less recoil by a distance.Shooting approximately the same load? I wonder why that would be?
Exactly. Some people seem to think the two are ballstic twins. They're not. More powder, more velocity, same bullet weight = more recoil.
Post by: Bob33 on April 07, 2020, 09:48:55 AM
My limited experience with both is that the WSM does have slightly less recoil, everything else being equal.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 07, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
My understanding is that the WSM can generate the same velocity as the Win Mag using slightly less powder due to the shorter, fatter case of the WSM being more efficient.In the lighter weight bullets. As bullets get bigger, the Win Mag starts distancing itself from the WSM.
My limited experience with both is that the WSM does have slightly less recoil, everything else being equal.
Post by: fowl smacker on April 07, 2020, 10:24:04 AM
Here's a great read comparing the two.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 07, 2020, 10:54:56 AM
https://www.snipercountry.com/300-wsm-vs-300-win-mag/
Here's a great read comparing the two.
Its not really an apples to apples comparison when you look at the bullet choices between the 2. The wsm has more lighter bullets than the wm in that comparison.
A better comparison would be to compare the same bullets in both. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on April 07, 2020, 11:01:56 AM
https://www.snipercountry.com/300-wsm-vs-300-win-mag/
Here's a great read comparing the two.
Its not really an apples to apples comparison when you look at the bullet choices between the 2. The wsm has more lighter bullets than the wm in that comparison.
A better comparison would be to compare the same bullets in both. :twocents:
:yeah:
Post by: fowl smacker on April 07, 2020, 11:14:20 AM
I agree! But you're still splitting hairs in my opinion. We need someone who reloads for both calibers to make rounds for each using the same bullet and powder charge and see what the results are. I'd be very curious.https://www.snipercountry.com/300-wsm-vs-300-win-mag/
Here's a great read comparing the two.
Its not really an apples to apples comparison when you look at the bullet choices between the 2. The wsm has more lighter bullets than the wm in that comparison.
A better comparison would be to compare the same bullets in both. :twocents:
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 07, 2020, 11:26:13 AM
Post by: fowl smacker on April 07, 2020, 11:52:52 AM
Do you think that data doesn't exist? It's not even close between the win mag and the shortmagAs far as what? Recoil? Ballistics? Do you have a link to the data so I can see it. From everything I can find they are very very similar.
Post by: bobcat on April 07, 2020, 12:00:12 PM
Do you think that data doesn't exist? It's not even close between the win mag and the shortmagAs far as what? Recoil? Ballistics? Do you have a link to the data so I can see it. From everything I can find they are very very similar.
It's really very simple. As I said before, more powder equals more velocity. The 300 Win. Mag. is a bigger case than the 300 WSM, and therefore holds more powder. So, that gives more velocity with the same weight bullet. Which also means more recoil.
It's exactly the same as comparing the 30/06 to the 300 Win. Mag. 30/06 has less powder capacity, therefore less velocity, and less recoil.
Post by: ne kid on April 07, 2020, 12:00:43 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 07, 2020, 12:12:11 PM
But do we REALLY feel recoil when hunting?Absolutely never.
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Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 07, 2020, 12:12:51 PM
I was going to say it’s performed well on the 5 big game animals I’ve ever taken with it.. i felt like the caliber is top of the line for my needs.There are several 300 rifles in classified for sale. There is always 300s for sale.What’s wrong with the 300? Serious question
There is a reason for that. Just sayin. :sry:
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Absolutely nothing, unless you just read yet another hunting/shooting article talking about the Magic Powers of the latest 6.5mm. The 300 is a workhorse up to and including military sniper work.
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Post by: ne kid on April 07, 2020, 12:18:18 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 07, 2020, 12:22:01 PM
Nothing wrong with 300WM just really like 300WSM.Opposite for me :chuckle:
#realmagnumswearbelts
That should get this one going. :yike:
Sorry for the threadjack
Post by: ne kid on April 07, 2020, 12:24:15 PM
Post by: fowl smacker on April 07, 2020, 12:49:16 PM
Yeah, but would you want a light 300 win mag? That's what this thread is about.Nothing wrong with 300WM just really like 300WSM.Opposite for me :chuckle:
#realmagnumswearbelts
That should get this one going. :yike:
Sorry for the threadjack
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 07, 2020, 12:56:25 PM
Ive already posted my opinion on rifle weight in this thread. :dunno:Yeah, but would you want a light 300 win mag? That's what this thread is about.Nothing wrong with 300WM just really like 300WSM.Opposite for me :chuckle:
#realmagnumswearbelts
That should get this one going. :yike:
Sorry for the threadjack
Post by: kselkhunter on April 07, 2020, 01:16:03 PM
300 WM, 180gr bullet, 3100fps velocity
7lb total weight rifle = 37.35 ft-lbs of recoil energy, 18.53 fps recoil velocity
9lb total weight rifle = 29.05 ft-lbs of recoil energy, 14.41 fps recoil velocity
30-06, 180gr bullet, 2800fps velocity
7lb total weight rifle = 30.02 ft-lbs recoil energy, 16.51 fps recoil velocity
9lbs total weight rifle = 23.35 ft-lbs recoil energy, 12.92fps recoil velocity
308, 180gr bullet, 2600fps velocity
7lb total weight rifle = 21.29 ft-lbs recoil energy, 13.99 fps recoil velocity
9lbs total weight rifle = 16.56 ft-lbs recoil energy, 10.88 fps recoil velocity
A good Limbsaver pad can close much of the difference in felt recoil between those examples. But even with the best recoil pad, a 300WM in a 7lb total weight rifle (including scope/etc.) is going to still kick some. 9lb rifle? Not as bad.
Stock design also comes into play regarding felt recoil. Some are better than others.
Post by: dan11011 on April 07, 2020, 01:38:00 PM
I think 300 win mags with a brake are brutal how loud they are, so I would stay clear of that setup. Plus, everyone will hate you at the range. Even with hearing protection they are crazy loud.
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Post by: bobcat on April 08, 2020, 10:01:45 AM
Lots of dry fire will really help with flinch. Plus it gives time for barrel to cool to really dial in that cold bore zero. 10 dry fires per shot and if the flinch persists go 20. Each dry fire should be treated as if you are shooting a target
Good advice. It definitely works. I've done it myself, and I taught my daughter to do the same thing. Helps her a lot.
Post by: 7mmfan on April 08, 2020, 10:14:56 AM
Lots of dry fire will really help with flinch. Plus it gives time for barrel to cool to really dial in that cold bore zero. 10 dry fires per shot and if the flinch persists go 20. Each dry fire should be treated as if you are shooting a target
Good advice. It definitely works. I've done it myself, and I taught my daughter to do the same thing. Helps her a lot.
When I started practicing shots out past 400 yards, I did a lot of dry firing. It helped immensely. Then began shooting a very lightweight rifle, and found the similarities between shooting an ultralight rifle, and long range with my other rifle to be very close. The dry firing helps a lot.
Post by: buckfvr on April 08, 2020, 12:36:55 PM
Post by: konradcountry on April 08, 2020, 01:51:44 PM
The 1-4 # difference is not a damn thing if you can’t pack yourself / gear in! If you’re so worried about a couple pounds in a hunting situation- you better shoot the smallest buck you see period , cuz if that couple # is a big deal you’re screwed haha. Just get comfortable with what you shoot and get confident and you’re good.
If I had that attitude with all my gear I could needlessly be packing an extra 30lbs into the backcountry. It adds up quick and does make a difference.
I'm going to agree.
I really don't see how anyone can haul around those 9 pound rifles in rough terrain. A couple extra pounds on shoulder is definitely noticeable after a few miles.