Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 20, 2020, 10:55:29 AM
So let's talk Dall Sheep! The good....the bad....and the ugly :IBCOOL:
Post by: Mtnwalker on April 20, 2020, 11:23:46 AM
Post by: whacker1 on April 20, 2020, 11:36:19 AM
Post by: Vek on April 20, 2020, 11:58:47 AM
Considerations:
Light shelter vs bombshelter
Hot food vs cold food
Shared glass
Shared rifle
The rokslide and mtn ops crowd, pontificating from the safety of the Rockies, will have each of you carrying separate hilleberg tents, separate 95mm straight spotters with full height tripods, separate 28oz binos, separate 10lb rifles, a packet each of daily powdered vitamins and electrolytes, a hot meal or two daily comprised of freeze dried foam, while wearing sensational matching Kuiu camo.
The folks that actually shoot sheep DIY might pare spike items down to one 65mm angle spotter with a low lightweight tripod, one 3.5lb floorless shelter that can be well anchored, a meal or three of hot food and a small TI pot if confirmed you can locate scrub to burn down low (no stove), and a shared 7lb rifle that may or may not have a dialing scope. They will not let themselves be put into a position where shelter failure is possible, by wisely selecting camp locations. Hot food is a luxury that you need to carefully consider the need for.
Make a list of what you think you need, wad it up and throw it in the woodstove, and get back to the list of stuff you know you need.
If you have weight to spare on the flights, then by all means bring a good shelter to leave at the airstrip. I never did that, so I can't speak to whether you need to harden that against bears or not.
You're going to have to decide where you want to go, based on what you can find out for where good genes and adequate populations are. Negotiation with air taxi is a matter of pointing at the map and telling them where you want to go, and discussing access and logistics from there. A Cessna can't put you where a Courier does, and a Courier can't put you where a cub does, and a cub probably can't fly you from Fairbanks or even the Haul Road. Don't short change your air taxi budget.
I hunted sheep in the Wrangells, not the Brooks, so feel free to take this with some salt. Access for me was somewhat more straightforward, and there were fewer secrets where animals and taxi-accessed airstrips were. My game was one of knowing that anytime, anywhere, Claus could drop hunters a couple miles from where I had to walk 2 days to get to!
Your only advantage vs. outfitters in the Brooks is time and willingness to walk a LONG ways.
Post by: rainshadow1 on April 20, 2020, 12:14:52 PM
Research research research! You're on the best track! What you learn will dictate how you prepare. There are spots where Vek was talking about where you could pack your sheep out to the road whole! (Lowering it straight down with a 500' climbing rope! I met a guy who did it!) Just have to find and learn your spot.
Git 'em!
Post by: kselkhunter on April 20, 2020, 12:32:58 PM
Looking forward to your stories after the trip. As I'll never convince my wife to move to Alaska, nor my sister for that matter. And I don't see myself ponying up the amount of cash required for an outfitter. So will live vicariously through your trip posts.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 20, 2020, 12:40:12 PM
We always knew this hunt would be a possibility but honestly never put much into it as I figured it was just always gonna be something that probably wasn't going to materialize. My knowledge of hunt options is basically zero. Are there other areas we should be looking besides the Brooks range that offer OTC seasons?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 20, 2020, 12:41:09 PM
Had a great friend (gone now) who hunted many times out of Glennallen where he lived. He had a super cub, and scouted from the air. I remember him talking about bringing 1/4 washcloth instead of a whole washcloth, having it double as part of the first aid kit... A pillow case instead of a pillow that he'd just put his jacket in, leaving his waders hanging in a tree at the river that needed crossing.... had it down to a specified formula for that particular spot. I never got the chance to go while I lived up there, but would have loved to. Glad you're going to get to go!Thanks Steve! 15 months and counting!!!!
Research research research! You're on the best track! What you learn will dictate how you prepare. There are spots where Vek was talking about where you could pack your sheep out to the road whole! (Lowering it straight down with a 500' climbing rope! I met a guy who did it!) Just have to find and learn your spot.
Git 'em!
Anyone need a kidney? I need some extra cash :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 20, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
I have a good friend from Fairbanks, and his family still lives there. I've always enjoyed their stories and photos of the family history on dall sheep hunts in the Brooks. They did quite a bit of advance aerial scouting before deciding on location, granted they're all pilots with their own planes so that helps. From their stories/advice, scouting the location in advance is key. But I would echo Vek's advice on sharing rifle/glass/etc. for cutting your air taxi weight allotment for room for animal(s).I tried to convince the wife we needed to move to fsirbanks and buy a plane but she is being selfish and said no :chuckle:
Looking forward to your stories after the trip. As I'll never convince my wife to move to Alaska, nor my sister for that matter. And I don't see myself ponying up the amount of cash required for an outfitter. So will live vicariously through your trip posts.
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 20, 2020, 12:54:29 PM
And ya, the flight prices are crazy right now.
Post by: whacker1 on April 20, 2020, 12:58:04 PM
https://www.flyravn.com/ Raven filed chapter 11 recently, so good to do some due diligence. The covid world is changing the marketplace from just a few short months ago.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 20, 2020, 01:06:27 PM
With regard to the flight arrangements. beware of who you book with as there is a lot of uncertainty in the market as to who will be alive and who will not.Definitely sound advice. We won't be booking anything just yet. Little brother has ANOTHER deployment to get through before we make any concrete plans.
https://www.flyravn.com/ Raven filed chapter 11 recently, so good to do some due diligence. The covid world is changing the marketplace from just a few short months ago.
Sounds like your exactly where I'm at with my Caribou planning for 2021. Ill pass on any good intel I gather about transporters and logistics. Waiting for email quotes from two transporters as we speak.ooooooh caribou😍
And ya, the flight prices are crazy right now.
Post by: whacker1 on April 20, 2020, 01:27:26 PM
With regard to the flight arrangements. beware of who you book with as there is a lot of uncertainty in the market as to who will be alive and who will not.Definitely sound advice. We won't be booking anything just yet. Little brother has ANOTHER deployment to get through before we make any concrete plans.
https://www.flyravn.com/ Raven filed chapter 11 recently, so good to do some due diligence. The covid world is changing the marketplace from just a few short months ago.Sounds like your exactly where I'm at with my Caribou planning for 2021. Ill pass on any good intel I gather about transporters and logistics. Waiting for email quotes from two transporters as we speak.ooooooh caribou😍
And ya, the flight prices are crazy right now.
Depending on how long this COVID crap hinders the economy it may take a while before we see the additional fall out on transportation in AK. I hope Raven is the only one, but i have been keeping a closer eye on our air transport for caribou for August. August is right around the corner and you have an entire fish season that may not see much tourist traffic for a good chunk of the summer. That sort of loss of revenue during the tourist and fishing season is going to hurt bad for all of those folks North of us.
Post by: Vek on April 20, 2020, 02:20:25 PM
Chugach: Decent hunting for big sheep, most is draw only. TCUA is a bugger of a hunt, and not practical unless you've spent time learning and doing the access paths.
Talkeetnas: OTC
East Alaska range (east of parks highway): OTC areas hunted hard, draw areas can be great
West Alaska range: OTC, more remote and might take some time and research to decode populations and access.
North Wrangells: OTC, decent hunting for smallish rams, road access areas will be hunted hard
South Wrangells: OTC, road areas hit hard, eastern areas tough to get to, tough access and hunting either way, potential big rams. A successful hunt here may take years off the rest of your hunting career...
Brooks: OTC, Huge area, infinite possibilities, like the west AK range will take some serious research to decode.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 20, 2020, 02:37:04 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 20, 2020, 02:58:05 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 20, 2020, 03:05:19 PM
Ooh! Ooh! Do i get to be your inreach contact again? That made me feel so important last time! 😆yes but this time I'm charging :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on April 20, 2020, 03:06:23 PM
@ramslam
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Post by: Shawn Ryan on April 20, 2020, 04:00:03 PM
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Post by: Houndhunter on April 20, 2020, 05:07:53 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 20, 2020, 05:35:14 PM
Rain gear? 🤷♂️Ooh! Ooh! Do i get to be your inreach contact again? That made me feel so important last time! 😆yes but this time I'm charging :chuckle:
Post by: actionshooter on April 20, 2020, 05:51:29 PM
http://www.wrightairservice.com/
I have heard really good things about these folks but have never gone with them.
https://flycoyote.com/
This is some very good info from a trusted (by me anyway) source on Air Taxis out of Fairbanks..
https://60inchclub.com/air-taxi-services
feel free to PM me
Post by: huntnphool on April 20, 2020, 05:54:44 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 20, 2020, 06:04:02 PM
Post by: idaho guy on April 21, 2020, 04:18:57 PM
Last summer we flew with Arctic Backcountry Flying Service out of Kotzebue. Quality outfit. They fly the western Brooks Range.
I flew with them on a diy caribou hunt I thought they were good also
Post by: idaho guy on April 21, 2020, 04:20:14 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 21, 2020, 08:16:26 PM
How do I convince my brother to move to Alaska? What’s your secret :chuckle:it's really pretty simple. All we need is a catastrophic terrorist attack which will motivate him to join the Army. Quick zip through basic, jump school, ranger school, and learn Pashtun. Then he can get stationed at Fort Richardson in Anchorage. Wham bam resident :chuckle:
Post by: cem3434 on April 21, 2020, 08:28:56 PM
Post by: idaho guy on April 22, 2020, 06:40:32 PM
How do I convince my brother to move to Alaska? What’s your secret :chuckle:it's really pretty simple. All we need is a catastrophic terrorist attack which will motivate him to join the Army. Quick zip through basic, jump school, ranger school, and learn Pashtun. Then he can get stationed at Fort Richardson in Anchorage. Wham bam resident :chuckle:
Sounds simple enough I will call him tonight :chuckle: have a great hunt :tup:
Post by: LDennis24 on April 30, 2020, 12:34:26 PM
How do I convince my brother to move to Alaska? What’s your secret :chuckle:it's really pretty simple. All we need is a catastrophic terrorist attack which will motivate him to join the Army. Quick zip through basic, jump school, ranger school, and learn Pashtun. Then he can get stationed at Fort Richardson in Anchorage. Wham bam resident :chuckle:
Well if you have all that why not go hunt for these guys!?
Post by: OutHouse on May 05, 2020, 11:13:39 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 30, 2020, 08:20:57 PM
Sp plan B is to hike into sheep country. That should be fun :chuckle: thanks rona's!!!
Post by: fishngamereaper on July 30, 2020, 08:49:51 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 30, 2020, 09:03:47 PM
You could probably squeeze into our float plane for Caribou but you'll need a parachute. :chuckle:michael would be up for that! Me......not so much :yike:
Post by: Maybach Outdoors on July 30, 2020, 09:44:16 PM
Been meaning to update this so here we go. I feel like I've called or emailed every air taxi service in alaska and I have either gotten, sorry we bumped all of 2020 hunts to 2021 due to covid or just no response at all :bash: still have feelers out and I'll continue to pound the phone lines but at this point it's not looking promising that we will be flying in.
Sp plan B is to hike into sheep country. That should be fun :chuckle: thanks rona's!!!
What’s the hike in look like? The drive up has to be pretty gnarly too...
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 31, 2020, 09:05:18 AM
hard saying. Could be 10 miles or it could be 40 :chuckle: just start walking I guess. Stop when you've shot a legal ram then turn around and walk backBeen meaning to update this so here we go. I feel like I've called or emailed every air taxi service in alaska and I have either gotten, sorry we bumped all of 2020 hunts to 2021 due to covid or just no response at all :bash: still have feelers out and I'll continue to pound the phone lines but at this point it's not looking promising that we will be flying in.
Sp plan B is to hike into sheep country. That should be fun :chuckle: thanks rona's!!!
What’s the hike in look like? The drive up has to be pretty gnarly too...
Post by: elkrack on July 31, 2020, 09:21:01 AM
Post by: idaho guy on July 31, 2020, 01:38:21 PM
hard saying. Could be 10 miles or it could be 40 :chuckle: just start walking I guess. Stop when you've shot a legal ram then turn around and walk backBeen meaning to update this so here we go. I feel like I've called or emailed every air taxi service in alaska and I have either gotten, sorry we bumped all of 2020 hunts to 2021 due to covid or just no response at all :bash: still have feelers out and I'll continue to pound the phone lines but at this point it's not looking promising that we will be flying in.
Sp plan B is to hike into sheep country. That should be fun :chuckle: thanks rona's!!!
What’s the hike in look like? The drive up has to be pretty gnarly too...
I like your plan ! Hike till you see a legal ram, shoot ram, hike out :tup: :tup: I love a plan that doesn’t over complicate things. good luck your knocking out a couple of my bucket list hunts in a few years mountain goat and Dall sheep. Go get em you already solved the biggest hurdle and that’s getting your brother in ak and bypassing the guide requirements.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 31, 2020, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on July 31, 2020, 04:31:22 PM
You could probably squeeze into our float plane for Caribou but you'll need a parachute. :chuckle:michael would be up for that! Me......not so much :yike:
It's not that bad...close your eyes, jump, and make sure you deploy your shoot before you hit the ground. Preferably at least 5-10 seconds to give it time to open. :chuckle:
Post by: actionshooter on August 02, 2020, 05:15:52 PM
Post by: jackelope on August 02, 2020, 06:47:47 PM
Karl, How are you going to handle the 72hr negative test and all the quarantine BS they have going on?? I'm supposed to fly up on the 10th and am starting to get nervous...PM sent
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 02, 2020, 09:14:34 PM
Karl, How are you going to handle the 72hr negative test and all the quarantine BS they have going on?? I'm supposed to fly up on the 10th and am starting to get nervous...not going till next summer so hopefully things have eased up!
Hope you can navigate it all and have a successful trip :tup:
Post by: Pinetar on August 02, 2020, 09:43:25 PM
Karl, How are you going to handle the 72hr negative test and all the quarantine BS they have going on?? I'm supposed to fly up on the 10th and am starting to get nervous...
PM sent
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 02, 2020, 09:48:47 PM
You could probably squeeze into our float plane for Caribou but you'll need a parachute. :chuckle:michael would be up for that! Me......not so much :yike:
It's not that bad...close your eyes, jump, and make sure you deploy your shoot before you hit the ground. Preferably at least 5-10 seconds to give it time to open. :chuckle:
HALO jump to avoid giving away your spots.