Post by: Scvette on April 25, 2020, 10:09:47 AM
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Post by: lastmk8 on April 27, 2020, 10:50:51 AM
All that said, a picture would have been nice as you stated, but on the other hand if you had a pic and it was a whitetail, they might ban more counties from salvaging road killed deer. Maybe we won after all.
https://www.stateparks.com/columbian_white-tailed_deer_national_wildlife_refuge_in_washington.html
Post by: Katmai Guy on April 27, 2020, 10:55:49 AM
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2020, 11:44:32 AM
Blacktail deer do have white on the underside of their tails. And, they do often hold their tails up when running away.:yeah:
Post by: Alchase on April 27, 2020, 12:04:52 PM
Blacktail deer do have white on the underside of their tails. And, they do often hold their tails up when running away.
:yeah:
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on April 27, 2020, 01:11:59 PM
Everything you describe sounds exactly whitetail deer to me, everything except the location. That would be pretty far north for them. Possible? I guess it could be, but that isn't the habitat they are used to. They have been down south for many years, there is a refuge there for them. A number of years ago they released (controlled or not I don't recall) a number of them, something to do with the high water levels or something. That being said, and in conjunction now with a couple hundred of them "known" to be in the wild outside of the refuge is the reason we can't claim or salvage deer in the couple counties down south. Regs state we can't because no one is allowed to keep a Columbia whitetail, guess they figure we can't tell the difference between the two.
All that said, a picture would have been nice as you stated, but on the other hand if you had a pic and it was a whitetail, they might ban more counties from salvaging road killed deer. Maybe we won after all.
https://www.stateparks.com/columbian_white-tailed_deer_national_wildlife_refuge_in_washington.html
A buddy of mine who used to live in Alaska is the Biologist who runs the Julia Butler Hansen Whitetail Refuge. I remember the flood you are talking about. It really knocked the population down on the refuge. At the time they weren't sure if the deer disbursed or if they died. Pretty much the whole refuge was flooded including where the office is and around the house my friend lives in. Now in a straight line, it's only about 60-70 miles from the refuge up to the area you're talking about so it is very possible.
On a side note, some years back they were capturing deer on the refuge and moving them to another island up stream past Cathlamet to try to establish another population. Haven't talked with him in a couple years so not sure what they are up to now.
Post by: Scvette on April 27, 2020, 01:27:30 PM
Post by: lastmk8 on April 27, 2020, 01:58:10 PM
Everything you describe sounds exactly whitetail deer to me, everything except the location. That would be pretty far north for them. Possible? I guess it could be, but that isn't the habitat they are used to. They have been down south for many years, there is a refuge there for them. A number of years ago they released (controlled or not I don't recall) a number of them, something to do with the high water levels or something. That being said, and in conjunction now with a couple hundred of them "known" to be in the wild outside of the refuge is the reason we can't claim or salvage deer in the couple counties down south. Regs state we can't because no one is allowed to keep a Columbia whitetail, guess they figure we can't tell the difference between the two.
All that said, a picture would have been nice as you stated, but on the other hand if you had a pic and it was a whitetail, they might ban more counties from salvaging road killed deer. Maybe we won after all.
https://www.stateparks.com/columbian_white-tailed_deer_national_wildlife_refuge_in_washington.html
A buddy of mine who used to live in Alaska is the Biologist who runs the Julia Butler Hansen Whitetail Refuge. I remember the flood you are talking about. It really knocked the population down on the refuge. At the time they weren't sure if the deer disbursed or if they died. Pretty much the whole refuge was flooded including where the office is and around the house my friend lives in. Now in a straight line, it's only about 60-70 miles from the refuge up to the area you're talking about so it is very possible.
On a side note, some years back they were capturing deer on the refuge and moving them to another island up stream past Cathlamet to try to establish another population. Haven't talked with him in a couple years so not sure what they are up to now.
Oh there were a number of them that disbursed, I remember seeing a few of them up Elochoman Valley road while heading back and forth to camp. They all had tags in their ears, standing around in a couple large yards just hanging out, probably enjoying time away from the "compound". I've never seen one in the woods while out hunting, so often wonder how many may have made if after the floods, if they reproduced or not. Remember it every year when we head back down to camp in the fall.
Post by: Brute on April 27, 2020, 02:37:52 PM
A buddy of mine who used to live in Alaska is the Biologist who runs the Julia Butler Hansen Whitetail Refuge.
Is his name Paul?
Helped with the relocation project back in 2014.
Here is a shot of a blacktail and a whitetail along the Columbia River. You can see the difference in the color of their coats .
Yes blacktails will run with their tails up showing a white flag but no where close to a whitetails flag in highth and width.
Post by: Scvette on April 27, 2020, 03:30:42 PM
A buddy of mine who used to live in Alaska is the Biologist who runs the Julia Butler Hansen Whitetail Refuge.
Is his name Paul?
Helped with the relocation project back in 2014.
Here is a shot of a blacktail and a whitetail along the Columbia River. You can see the difference in the color of their coats .
Yes blacktails will run with their tails up showing a white flag but no where close to a whitetails flag in highth and width.
The last picture of the 2 deer is exactly what I saw, one had some black on it’s tail the other had absolutely no black, just pretty much same color of the body. If anyone in the Olympia area is ever out by Summit lake in the morning or early evening drive through on the 1st exit heading west and take a look. See deer pretty much every day in the mornings and evenings.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on April 28, 2020, 12:30:35 AM
A buddy of mine who used to live in Alaska is the Biologist who runs the Julia Butler Hansen Whitetail Refuge.
Is his name Paul?
Helped with the relocation project back in 2014.
Here is a shot of a blacktail and a whitetail along the Columbia River. You can see the difference in the color of their coats .
Yes blacktails will run with their tails up showing a white flag but no where close to a whitetails flag in highth and width.
Yup. That's Paul in the middle of the three guys at the front. Next to the guy in Camo