Post by: trophyhunt on May 05, 2020, 11:01:48 AM
Post by: h20hunter on May 05, 2020, 11:04:00 AM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 05, 2020, 11:05:52 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 05, 2020, 11:07:28 AM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 05, 2020, 11:09:10 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 05, 2020, 11:11:03 AM
Exactly how do you know its a small boar chasing a female instead of maybe a smaller female chasing a boar off?I voted larger bear goes down. :tup:I wouldn’t know till I looked between the legs, lol. Just going off a more common situation. This situation the boar would not leave her, even after I shot and missed at 700 yards. She brought him back around to me at 500 and I didn’t miss that time. Can’t wait to go at it again this weekend!
Post by: trophyhunt on May 05, 2020, 11:14:22 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on May 05, 2020, 11:35:03 AM
Given that I would shoot a male over a female every day regardless of size in the spring.
Post by: Katmai Guy on May 05, 2020, 11:51:02 AM
Post by: jrebel on May 05, 2020, 11:58:01 AM
Post by: WSU on May 05, 2020, 12:08:39 PM
Post by: grundy53 on May 05, 2020, 12:25:10 PM
Save a few elk or deer and shoot the sow? Aren't we all up in arms about needing predator control?Exactly
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Post by: buckfvr on May 05, 2020, 12:27:16 PM
Save a few elk or deer and shoot the sow? Aren't we all up in arms about needing predator control?
No cubs, shoot the sow for herds sake. :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: 180-GRAIN on May 05, 2020, 01:26:47 PM
Save a few elk or deer and shoot the sow? Aren't we all up in arms about needing predator control?
My thought as well. I go into all bear hunts anymore telling myself I don't care what size it is as long as its legal its dead. saving deer fawns and elk calves is the main goal for me anymore.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 05, 2020, 02:44:58 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 05, 2020, 04:17:47 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 05, 2020, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: grundy53 on May 05, 2020, 04:29:54 PM
I look at it as the boar would be covering multiple sows making multiple babies per year. Kill one boar and eliminate the potential for multiple breedings. Maybe I'm off.The sow is going to get bred. You couldn't kill enough boars. The only way a sow doesn't get bred is if she is dead. Plus then you are taking out any future offspring too.
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 05, 2020, 04:49:59 PM
:yeah:I look at it as the boar would be covering multiple sows making multiple babies per year. Kill one boar and eliminate the potential for multiple breedings. Maybe I'm off.The sow is going to get bred. You couldn't kill enough boars. The only way a sow doesn't get bred is if she is dead. Plus then you are taking out any future offspring too.
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I really dont care what bear i kill. First one my scope lands on. Hopefully the smaller one because its cheaper to tan the smaller ones.
Post by: High Climber on May 05, 2020, 05:10:05 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on May 05, 2020, 07:06:32 PM
I look at it as the boar would be covering multiple sows making multiple babies per year. Kill one boar and eliminate the potential for multiple breedings. Maybe I'm off.
That could be. But most sows will have two sometimes three. In ten years she could birth three times which means 6-9 cubs. :dunno:
Post by: lewy on May 05, 2020, 07:24:18 PM
Post by: pashok23 on May 05, 2020, 09:27:54 PM
I wonder if a hot and bothered boar would leave a downed sow? Might be a awkward situation?Found 2 bears during mating season( they were doing some stuff) back in 2014, shot female and by the time i got to her male was eating her. Took me couple hours to take her from him. It was my first bear. Crazy experience
Post by: hunter399 on May 05, 2020, 11:15:32 PM
When you cant bait or hound hunt, sex id'ing a bear is even tougher, so if you wack a sow without cubs oh well it happens. That being said I personally would kill the boar unless its a dink. :twocents:Total agree
No cubs,it's getin lead sandwich.
Post by: jackelope on May 06, 2020, 07:02:05 PM
I look at it as the boar would be covering multiple sows making multiple babies per year. Kill one boar and eliminate the potential for multiple breedings. Maybe I'm off.
That could be. But most sows will have two sometimes three. In ten years she could birth three times which means 6-9 cubs. :dunno:
But the boar could cover 6-9 sows in a spring making 6-18 cubs per year. I mean they don’t just breed one sow and call it a rut, right?
Post by: mountainman on May 06, 2020, 07:17:53 PM
If we are using Washington State as an example, with densities what they are, sow will be bred eventually by another boar.I look at it as the boar would be covering multiple sows making multiple babies per year. Kill one boar and eliminate the potential for multiple breedings. Maybe I'm off.
That could be. But most sows will have two sometimes three. In ten years she could birth three times which means 6-9 cubs. :dunno:
But the boar could cover 6-9 sows in a spring making 6-18 cubs per year. I mean they don’t just breed one sow and call it a rut, right?
Post by: Stein on May 06, 2020, 07:21:42 PM
Post by: grundy53 on May 06, 2020, 07:31:26 PM
Think of it this way. When a state wants to reduce the population what kind of tags do they issue more of? When they want to protect a population what kind of tags do they reduce? Females are the baby makers. You kill a male another male takes his place. Doesn't really change anything. You kill a female and it's guaranteed she won't have any more offspring.I look at it as the boar would be covering multiple sows making multiple babies per year. Kill one boar and eliminate the potential for multiple breedings. Maybe I'm off.
That could be. But most sows will have two sometimes three. In ten years she could birth three times which means 6-9 cubs. :dunno:
But the boar could cover 6-9 sows in a spring making 6-18 cubs per year. I mean they don’t just breed one sow and call it a rut, right?
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Post by: trophyhunt on May 06, 2020, 07:43:28 PM
well, can’t argue that at all!Think of it this way. When a state wants to reduce the population what kind of tags do they issue more of? When they want to protect a population what kind of tags do they reduce? Females are the baby makers. You kill a male another male takes his place. Doesn't really change anything. You kill a female and it's guaranteed she won't have any more offspring.I look at it as the boar would be covering multiple sows making multiple babies per year. Kill one boar and eliminate the potential for multiple breedings. Maybe I'm off.
That could be. But most sows will have two sometimes three. In ten years she could birth three times which means 6-9 cubs. :dunno:
But the boar could cover 6-9 sows in a spring making 6-18 cubs per year. I mean they don’t just breed one sow and call it a rut, right?
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Post by: sagemd on May 07, 2020, 08:35:58 PM
Shot two more females this fall.
Post by: lokidog on May 07, 2020, 11:15:03 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 08, 2020, 07:37:22 AM
this. You control populations by removing females. Simple explanation would be 10 males and 10 females could have 10 offspring. You kill 5 males and you'll still likely end up with 10 offspring. But if you shot 5 of the females and left the 10 males you'd only get 5 offspring.Think of it this way. When a state wants to reduce the population what kind of tags do they issue more of? When they want to protect a population what kind of tags do they reduce? Females are the baby makers. You kill a male another male takes his place. Doesn't really change anything. You kill a female and it's guaranteed she won't have any more offspring.I look at it as the boar would be covering multiple sows making multiple babies per year. Kill one boar and eliminate the potential for multiple breedings. Maybe I'm off.
That could be. But most sows will have two sometimes three. In ten years she could birth three times which means 6-9 cubs. :dunno:
But the boar could cover 6-9 sows in a spring making 6-18 cubs per year. I mean they don’t just breed one sow and call it a rut, right?
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Post by: cbond3318 on May 08, 2020, 07:47:26 AM
this. You control populations by removing females. Simple explanation would be 10 males and 10 females could have 10 offspring. You kill 5 males and you'll still likely end up with 10 offspring. But if you shot 5 of the females and left the 10 males you'd only get 5 offspring.Think of it this way. When a state wants to reduce the population what kind of tags do they issue more of? When they want to protect a population what kind of tags do they reduce? Females are the baby makers. You kill a male another male takes his place. Doesn't really change anything. You kill a female and it's guaranteed she won't have any more offspring.I look at it as the boar would be covering multiple sows making multiple babies per year. Kill one boar and eliminate the potential for multiple breedings. Maybe I'm off.
That could be. But most sows will have two sometimes three. In ten years she could birth three times which means 6-9 cubs. :dunno:
But the boar could cover 6-9 sows in a spring making 6-18 cubs per year. I mean they don’t just breed one sow and call it a rut, right?
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:yeah: Another way to look at it is if a Boar mates with a sow and a Boar, which one is adding to the population? Exactly. It’s sience.
Post by: Tracker0721 on May 08, 2020, 08:02:59 AM
Post by: KFhunter on May 08, 2020, 08:38:13 AM
I wonder if a hot and bothered boar would leave a downed sow? Might be a awkward situation?
It's an interesting question though, in Montana, Alaska etc.. you're required to back out if it were a grizz.
Legally speaking, would you have to back out for a black bear?
Could you just walk into a tense and hot situation and just push the boar off the sow and then end up killing him on a charge? (bluff or otherwise)
I may need to think about this more, this scenario wasn't in my play book.
Post by: 7mmfan on May 08, 2020, 10:10:41 AM
Post by: JakeLand on May 08, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
I get 2 tags in WA. I'm killing whatever presents me the best shot regardless of sex. I'm not even picky about size.:tup:
Post by: huntingaddiction on July 01, 2020, 07:32:04 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 01, 2020, 07:35:40 AM
I need to find a way to hunt bears every spring.I know exactly what you are saying! People will say go to Idaho otc, but I have to believe it’s not close to the quality as wa spring bear. If your close enough to bait it would be better but our spring bear is a blast.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on July 01, 2020, 01:05:12 PM
Post by: Bango skank on July 01, 2020, 01:13:51 PM
I need to find a way to hunt bears every spring.I know exactly what you are saying! People will say go to Idaho otc, but I have to believe it’s not close to the quality as wa spring bear. If your close enough to bait it would be better but our spring bear is a blast.
Unit 1 doesnt have baiting, hounds or reduced price non res tags, or second tags at all.
I hunted a bit in 4,6,7 this spring for the first time. Couldnt find a bear, saw virtually no sign. Everybody i talked to would say something along the lines of, "theres bears there, lot of guys baiting" or "an outfitter runs hounds all over such and such". I feel like the baiting screws things up regarding bears behaving naturally. Why would a bear need to be out and about feeding during the day when they can just lay low, then go eat a 50 gallon drum of goodies after dark? I wont be buying the reduced price 2nd bear tags in idaho again since theyre only usable in the bait / hound units.
Post by: buckfvr on July 01, 2020, 01:17:38 PM
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Post by: vandeman17 on July 01, 2020, 03:47:33 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 01, 2020, 04:22:18 PM
Since I have never connected on a bear I will kill the first one without cubs that is within rangeYou live in bear country and you've never killed a bear? That surprises me, one month and you'll change that!!
Post by: trophyhunt on July 01, 2020, 04:26:04 PM
That is exactly what I was thinking, I mean, it's too bad we have quality bear hunting in this state, but it sure is fun when you draw a permit. I think Idaho has permit spring bear hunts don't they?? I would think that those hunts might be closer to the quality that we have????? Anyone ever draw their spring bear tags that are draw only in spring?I need to find a way to hunt bears every spring.I know exactly what you are saying! People will say go to Idaho otc, but I have to believe it’s not close to the quality as wa spring bear. If your close enough to bait it would be better but our spring bear is a blast.
Unit 1 doesnt have baiting, hounds or reduced price non res tags, or second tags at all.
I hunted a bit in 4,6,7 this spring for the first time. Couldnt find a bear, saw virtually no sign. Everybody i talked to would say something along the lines of, "theres bears there, lot of guys baiting" or "an outfitter runs hounds all over such and such". I feel like the baiting screws things up regarding bears behaving naturally. Why would a bear need to be out and about feeding during the day when they can just lay low, then go eat a 50 gallon drum of goodies after dark? I wont be buying the reduced price 2nd bear tags in idaho again since theyre only usable in the bait / hound units.
Post by: ganghis on July 08, 2020, 05:29:06 PM
I won't shoot a sow with cubs, but it's kind of funny, isn't it? If you want to reduce population numbers that's *exactly* who you should shoot. But it seems heartless. Kind of a parental, emotional (human, maybe?) response.
Post by: jstone on July 08, 2020, 05:32:22 PM
Post by: Seabass on July 09, 2020, 09:53:26 AM
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on July 09, 2020, 10:33:12 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on July 09, 2020, 10:55:54 AM
First tag: Bigger bear. More meat. If I ever get to a second tag I can get philosophical on my role in predator control.
Man, I'm the complete opposite. First tag, just kill one. 2nd tag, maybe then I'll think about holding off for a bigger one. We're different folks though, it takes all kinds to make the world go round :)
Post by: callturner on July 09, 2020, 06:13:57 PM
When you cant bait or hound hunt, sex id'ing a bear is even tougher, so if you wack a sow without cubs oh well it happens. That being said I personally would kill the boar unless its a dink. :twocents:100% right! The liberal uninformed public voted out our hound hunting and bear baiting. You could pick and choose your bear. Now it's a not solid guess. I spent 22 years of my life chasin hounds and still miss it. While I never hunted over baits I videoed many bears and you could at least tell a sow from a boar and the size of it.
Mike
Post by: konradcountry on July 16, 2020, 07:21:27 PM
I don't hunt bears for the purpose of predator control.
Post by: High Climber on July 16, 2020, 09:29:56 PM
I voted shoot the bigger female for the meat and rug.
I don't hunt bears for the purpose of predator control.
Well if you did, you would shoot the same bear.
Post by: hunter399 on July 17, 2020, 06:03:26 AM
You got two tags ,save your second tag for the bear you want to shoot.
Post by: konradcountry on July 18, 2020, 08:08:42 AM
I voted shoot the bigger female for the meat and rug.
I don't hunt bears for the purpose of predator control.
Well if you did, you would shoot the same bear.
Yea I'm saying I wouldn't bother with trying to determine gender since I'm not doing it for predator control.
Even if they were the same size and they just mated I would shoot the one with the cleaner shot.
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on July 28, 2020, 09:32:34 AM
First tag: Bigger bear. More meat. If I ever get to a second tag I can get philosophical on my role in predator control.
Man, I'm the complete opposite. First tag, just kill one. 2nd tag, maybe then I'll think about holding off for a bigger one. We're different folks though, it takes all kinds to make the world go round :)
Oh yeah I hear you. This was in response to being presented with TWO bears at once. One bear in my sights: I’m not getting fussy.
Post by: 7mmfan on July 28, 2020, 10:15:05 AM
First tag: Bigger bear. More meat. If I ever get to a second tag I can get philosophical on my role in predator control.
Man, I'm the complete opposite. First tag, just kill one. 2nd tag, maybe then I'll think about holding off for a bigger one. We're different folks though, it takes all kinds to make the world go round :)
Oh yeah I hear you. This was in response to being presented with TWO bears at once. One bear in my sights: I’m not getting fussy.
Got it. Right there with you. I plan on having 2 tags in my pocket when I hit the hills this year so if I'm presented with this opportunity, well, maybe I can just make the decision easy and shoot both.