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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: elkchaser54 on May 12, 2020, 10:00:29 PM
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https://auctions.rmef.org/auctions/12?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Hunting%20Is%20Conservation%20-%20Hunting%20Fights%20the%20Spread%20of%20CWD&utm_campaign=Group%20Email%20-%20HIC%20-%20(Leupold)
Anyone else see this ? The eastern Washington tag is going for $60,000 right now. That's insane !
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Fun to watch.
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Kind of amazing that the Wa tag is more than double Montana, Wyoming or Utah at the moment......
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Someone must be after a certain washington bull
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Is it just because elk hunting is so limited here as compared to those other states?
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At that price I'm sure we will see the Mossback guys blocking roads again, the question is, where???
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At that price I'm sure we will see the Mossback guys blocking roads again, the question is, where???
It's pretty much the same as what it sold for last year, and there weren't any Mossback guys here then.
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Where were the mossback guys blocking the roads at?
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Where were the mossback guys blocking the roads at?
There was some issues with them down in the Blues 5 ish years ago. I heard about them once and not since.
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Where were the mossback guys blocking the roads at?
There was some issues with them down in the Blues 5 ish years ago. I heard about them once and not since.
:yeah: They also do it in other states. Talked with an owner of a guide service this past weekend, it痴 no secret what they do.
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Mossback hasn't been in Washington for ten years and when they were here it was mostly Washington guys working under his permit. The guys that buy these tags can certainly afford them... These auction tags are still going for "normal" prices inspite of the economy.. People that have been smart with their money and can afford these kind of things in life still have money to play with...And they still aren't buying $5 mochas :chuckle:
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Is it just because elk hunting is so limited here as compared to those other states?
I think that is a big part of it. You don't have to spend big money in those other states to be able to hunt big bulls and there are a ton good elk in those states.
Here there is no real opportunity to hunt big bulls unless you are really lucky or have a ton of cash. There are big bulls here and with limited pressure they are pretty easy to look over and decide which one you want.
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Easy guys, I'm not knocking the raffle tag bidders here.
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At that price I'm sure we will see the Mossback guys blocking roads again, the question is, where???
It's pretty much the same as what it sold for last year, and there weren't any Mossback guys here then.
Exactly, I am pretty sure it is all Washington guys driving the cost up.
Two for sure were from Washington last year and I am not sure if the third guy was from Washington or not. The third guy on the phone bid $60,000 and then backed out so it fell to the guy at $55,000. The way I understand it was there was chaos in the room with phone bidders and miscommunication with their counterparts that were in the room bidding for them.
There are at least three playing again this year.
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Getting into record territory now. It's at $70,000. 2016 it went for $75,000, 2008 it went for $65,000. There must be a masher out there or someone just had a record profit year and has money to burn.
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Probably Dan again
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Probably Dan again
:yeah:
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Probably Dan again
Nope
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I think the price also has to do with the timeframe. It is Sept. 1 - Dec. 31 wherever and whenever you want here in WA. With the other tags I looked at hunting has to take place during an already established and much more limited season.
Having 5 months to get it done is worth a significant premium. :twocents:
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I think the price also has to do with the timeframe. It is Sept. 1 - Dec. 31 wherever and whenever you want here in WA. With the other tags I looked at hunting has to take place during an already established and much more limited season.
Having 5 months to get it done is worth a significant premium. :twocents:
I think this is a big factor as well...not sure there is much premium in being a "WA" bull...unless travel restrictions/COVID concerns make staying close to home valuable??
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I think the price also has to do with the timeframe. It is Sept. 1 - Dec. 31 wherever and whenever you want here in WA. With the other tags I looked at hunting has to take place during an already established and much more limited season.
Having 5 months to get it done is worth a significant premium. :twocents:
4 months
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People that have the resources to pay these prices for tags are very busy. They have a lot of hunting going on each Fall along with other obligations they have.
Having a tag in their own back yard that you have 4 months to fill is worth a lot to these folks. It provides flexibility and convenience.
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Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?
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Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?
Oh im pretty sure theres a real good thread on one at least
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People that have the resources to pay these prices for tags are very busy. They have a lot of hunting going on each Fall along with other obligations they have.
Having a tag in their own back yard that you have 4 months to fill is worth a lot to these folks. It provides flexibility and convenience.
Never get tired of looking at your moose!
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Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?
Oh im pretty sure theres a real good thread on one at least
Raffle tag "spikes" don't count.
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Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?
Oh im pretty sure theres a real good thread on one at least
Raffle tag "spikes" don't count.
Pets do :hello:
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Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?
Dan Agnew's:
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People that have the resources to pay these prices for tags are very busy. They have a lot of hunting going on each Fall along with other obligations they have.
Having a tag in their own back yard that you have 4 months to fill is worth a lot to these folks. It provides flexibility and convenience.
I've been told this is a yuge aspect of these tags.
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Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?
Dan Agnew's:
An amazing bull
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Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?
Dan Agnew's:
An amazing bull
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Holy crap, never saw that one. Monster.
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Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?
Dan Agnew's:
An amazing bull
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Holy crap, never saw that one. Monster.
that's not even the big one.
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:o
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Is that 3rd pic a Rosie? @jackelope
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:tup:
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Is that 3rd pic a Rosie? @jackelope
That's Dan Agnew's Blues bull. 2009 I think. Maybe 2010.
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Is that 3rd pic a Rosie? @jackelope
That's Dan Agnew's Blues bull. 2009 I think. Maybe 2010.
Thanks! The dark horns and lush veg made me wonder.
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:o
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I was wondering if bullwinkle was going to make an appearance :chuckle:
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$76,000 that痴 a record
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Not that it matters jackalope, but I think the first one Bob33 posted is the 2010 one
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Not that it matters jackalope, but I think the first one Bob33 posted is the 2010 one
And i think dan's 436 bull was 08
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Here's the 2010 bull thread.
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,57440.msg706984.html#msg706984
You're right, the other one was 2008, not 2009. I did a quick search and couldn't find a thread, but it was 2008.
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Those Bull are Massive
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Some serious coin for a good cause..wish I had that kind of dough.
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Ya me too.!!!
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Yeah one people get pissed that this happens but if you ask me it's for a great cause. If I could afford to I would pay that kind of money and I would pay six figures to hunt in Mongolia and Pakistan too. It would be amazing!
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Looks like the Washington Tag just went for $84K, there was a little action the last 10 seconds so maybe there was a little competition on the bids?
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Boomshockalocka!!
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That痴 big money.
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If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime! How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
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If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime! How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
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If hunting seasons were canceled this year do you think exceptions would be made for big spenders like this? I don't really care if there were, just asking.
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I'm guessing they'd have the "option" of a refund followed by a long paragraph how much they'd appreciate the funds just donated to "benefit" wildlife. :twocents:
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I would think they would get a rain check for the next year
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Oh hunting season canceled can you imagine the carry over of big bulls 🤤. In the blues of course
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I would think they would get a rain check for the next year
If that's the case, then why didn't the Blue Mtn tag holders a few years back who waited 20 years to draw not get an option for a rain check for the next year?
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If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime! How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
I think Make-a-wish also doesn't want anything to do with hunting or guns. There's a spin off group called Hunt of a Lifetime. I don't know why WDFW wouldn't want to be involved. I would think they would have a little pile of tags in reserve just for such occasions.
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I would think they would get a rain check for the next year
If that's the case, then why didn't the Blue Mtn tag holders a few years back who waited 20 years to draw not get an option for a rain check for the next year?
They did. The rain check was good for whenever they drew again
:chuckle:
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If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime! How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?
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I would think they would get a rain check for the next year
If that's the case, then why didn't the Blue Mtn tag holders a few years back who waited 20 years to draw not get an option for a rain check for the next year?
They did. The rain check was good for whenever they drew again
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I can't argue that lol
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If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime! How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?
Absolutely not.
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The only person that can let somebody else have the tag here in WA is a raffle tag winner, and then only the person in 2nd place can be awarded the tag.
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If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime! How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
To be fair WDFW gives tags for terminally ill people regularly. There is no need for someone to buy a tag to gift it in most situations. The Director can also receive special permits from donors and redistribute them to terminally ill hunters.
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If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime! How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
To be fair WDFW gives tags for terminally ill people regularly. There is no need for someone to buy a tag to gift it in most situations. The Director can also receive special permits from donors and redistribute them to terminally ill hunters.
Yep its called end of life hunt and its the one thing that wdfw does well!
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If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime! How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
To be fair WDFW gives tags for terminally ill people regularly. There is no need for someone to buy a tag to gift it in most situations. The Director can also receive special permits from donors and redistribute them to terminally ill hunters.
Yep its called end of life hunt and its the one thing that wdfw does well!
End of Life Hunt = a normal person dies before being picked for a decent hunt :tup:
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I'm guessing they'd have the "option" of a refund followed by a long paragraph how much they'd appreciate the funds just donated to "benefit" wildlife. :twocents:
Exactly. 🤣
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If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime! How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040 (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040)
12. Hunting licenses or transport tags obtained pursuant to a raffle may not be resold or reassigned.
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If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime! How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040 (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040)
12. Hunting licenses or transport tags obtained pursuant to a raffle may not be resold or reassigned.
I've always thought the case was that if the raffle winner was not able to hunt or didn't want the tag, it would go to the #2 person. I assume this would have to happen prior to the tag being actually issued, hence it wouldn't actually be a transfer.
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If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime! How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040 (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040)
12. Hunting licenses or transport tags obtained pursuant to a raffle may not be resold or reassigned.
I've always thought the case was that if the raffle winner was not able to hunt or didn't want the tag, it would go to the #2 person. I assume this would have to happen prior to the tag being actually issued, hence it wouldn't actually be a transfer.
That is correct. Last year the winning bidder backed out right after they banged the gavel closing the auction and it fell to the second highest bidder. I believe they have a period of time that they can decline and it just goes to the next bidder if they want it.
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Agnew owes me more than his 16 guides for that 2010 bull. Gawd I just puked a little...no a lot. Dang I remember the 2012 or whatever bull where whatever rich guy wrote a story about how it was gonna be such a tough hunt after flying in and his guides telling him the Bull was a whopping 1/4 mile in off the road.
Yeah go ahead and say it痴 for the benefit of the wildlife...doing a heck of a lot of good in Washington I知 tellin ya.
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You made a great point Mykiss, our elk tags sell for crazy amounts and yet the herd is going to shift. So where is that money going, exactly?
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...to feed the wolves.
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RMEF gets 10%
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You made a great point Mykiss, our elk tags sell for crazy amounts and yet the herd is going to shift. So where is that money going, exactly?
Those tags do bring a lot of resource money for the elk but it isn't a drop in the bucket when you are dealing with uncontrolled native hunting and uncontrolled wolves. No amount of money can help that scenario. $65,000.00 can buy a new decked out truck for the warden though.
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...to feed the wolves.
And the bears, and the lions. Multiple studies in idaho show black bears as the #1 predator of elk calves through august, ahead of even lions and wolves.
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Yeah go ahead and say it痴 for the benefit of the wildlife...doing a heck of a lot of good in Washington I知 tellin ya.
I agree. It is a complete farce to suggest the revenue from this auction tag has any meaningful benefit to wildlife or their habitat. While the money I'm sure is used correctly, its nothing more than a feel good measure to convince the masses to be at least marginally accepting of the auctioning of their wildlife.
State's love them because what bureaucrat doesn't love another revenue stream. Hunters who can buy them love it because they can buy a great opportunity. Non-profits who collect a fee like them for the revenue and publicity. None of these things is inherently bad, but I have strong reservations about the ongoing use and acceptance of auction tags. In order to bring in big money, these tags require a reduction in the average hunters opportunity...too far of a deviation from the NAMWC for my liking.
That said - one caveat: Species like bighorn sheep, which have very low tag numbers across the board and thus bring in very limited revenue, I'm supportive of auctions to support those species management - they are an important species and auction revenue seems more appropriate given they could not sustain management efforts on the few license dollars they generate on their own.
And one point to clearly emphasize: I fully support and have no animosity whatsoever towards those who participate in these auctions and hunts. It's the state authorizing the selling that has my disdain...especially when these bureaucrats, with a strait face, can tout how important the 5 figure sum they received is for wildlife/habitat...while at the same time signing nearly 7 figure checks for wolf facilitators. :bash:
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We don't agree on much, but I completely agree with Idahohuntr's take on this topic. :tup:
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If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime! How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040 (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040)
12. Hunting licenses or transport tags obtained pursuant to a raffle may not be resold or reassigned.
I've always thought the case was that if the raffle winner was not able to hunt or didn't want the tag, it would go to the #2 person. I assume this would have to happen prior to the tag being actually issued, hence it wouldn't actually be a transfer.
That is correct. Last year the winning bidder backed out right after they banged the gavel closing the auction and it fell to the second highest bidder. I believe they have a period of time that they can decline and it just goes to the next bidder if they want it.
That scenario allowed the auction to be manipulated upwards. Keep bidding it up with maybe even some accomplices and then cancel sticking the guy that followed your bids up. Stinks but whats new in the world of game auctions for the wealthy only.
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If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime! How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040 (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040)
12. Hunting licenses or transport tags obtained pursuant to a raffle may not be resold or reassigned.
I've always thought the case was that if the raffle winner was not able to hunt or didn't want the tag, it would go to the #2 person. I assume this would have to happen prior to the tag being actually issued, hence it wouldn't actually be a transfer.
That is correct. Last year the winning bidder backed out right after they banged the gavel closing the auction and it fell to the second highest bidder. I believe they have a period of time that they can decline and it just goes to the next bidder if they want it.
That scenario allowed the auction to be manipulated upwards. Keep bidding it up with maybe even some accomplices and then cancel sticking the guy that followed your bids up. Stinks but whats new in the world of game auctions for the wealthy only.
That was my thought exactly. Two guys working together could knock a third guy out of the running.
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Yeah go ahead and say it痴 for the benefit of the wildlife...doing a heck of a lot of good in Washington I知 tellin ya.
I agree. It is a complete farce to suggest the revenue from this auction tag has any meaningful benefit to wildlife or their habitat. While the money I'm sure is used correctly, its nothing more than a feel good measure to convince the masses to be at least marginally accepting of the auctioning of their wildlife.
State's love them because what bureaucrat doesn't love another revenue stream. Hunters who can buy them love it because they can buy a great opportunity. Non-profits who collect a fee like them for the revenue and publicity. None of these things is inherently bad, but I have strong reservations about the ongoing use and acceptance of auction tags. In order to bring in big money, these tags require a reduction in the average hunters opportunity...too far of a deviation from the NAMWC for my liking.
That said - one caveat: Species like bighorn sheep, which have very low tag numbers across the board and thus bring in very limited revenue, I'm supportive of auctions to support those species management - they are an important species and auction revenue seems more appropriate given they could not sustain management efforts on the few license dollars they generate on their own.
And one point to clearly emphasize: I fully support and have no animosity whatsoever towards those who participate in these auctions and hunts. It's the state authorizing the selling that has my disdain...especially when these bureaucrats, with a strait face, can tout how important the 5 figure sum they received is for wildlife/habitat...while at the same time signing nearly 7 figure checks for wolf facilitators. :bash:
The highest bidder is guaranteed the auction tag I get that but think how many raffle tickets that could buy for multiple species. Yes, you're not guaranteed to win but $60K for a single bull elk when that same amount could get you a bull elk, buck, bull moose. I don't ever look at the raffles to see what is available I just know there are several categories to choose from. I'm a person who wants a bang for their buck (no pun intended and I archery hunt).
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Yeah go ahead and say it痴 for the benefit of the wildlife...doing a heck of a lot of good in Washington I知 tellin ya.
I agree. It is a complete farce to suggest the revenue from this auction tag has any meaningful benefit to wildlife or their habitat. While the money I'm sure is used correctly, its nothing more than a feel good measure to convince the masses to be at least marginally accepting of the auctioning of their wildlife.
State's love them because what bureaucrat doesn't love another revenue stream. Hunters who can buy them love it because they can buy a great opportunity. Non-profits who collect a fee like them for the revenue and publicity. None of these things is inherently bad, but I have strong reservations about the ongoing use and acceptance of auction tags. In order to bring in big money, these tags require a reduction in the average hunters opportunity...too far of a deviation from the NAMWC for my liking.
That said - one caveat: Species like bighorn sheep, which have very low tag numbers across the board and thus bring in very limited revenue, I'm supportive of auctions to support those species management - they are an important species and auction revenue seems more appropriate given they could not sustain management efforts on the few license dollars they generate on their own.
And one point to clearly emphasize: I fully support and have no animosity whatsoever towards those who participate in these auctions and hunts. It's the state authorizing the selling that has my disdain...especially when these bureaucrats, with a strait face, can tout how important the 5 figure sum they received is for wildlife/habitat...while at the same time signing nearly 7 figure checks for wolf facilitators. :bash:
The highest bidder is guaranteed the auction tag I get that but think how many raffle tickets that could buy for multiple species. Yes, you're not guaranteed to win but $60K for a single bull elk when that same amount could get you a bull elk, buck, bull moose. I don't ever look at the raffles to see what is available I just know there are several categories to choose from. I'm a person who wants a bang for their buck (no pun intended and I archery hunt).
The raffles aren't a sure thing. Two years ago I spent a significant amount on the raffles. The highest ticket I got was 10th place. Tickets 2-9 were held by someone who spent 10-15 times the money compared to me but across multiple raffles. They won some but not all and didn't win the eastern elk. Someone that bought 4 tickets won.
At least with the auction you either win and are out the cash or lose and have the cash in your pocket. With the raffle the money is gone win or lose, it's a gamble plain and simple.
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Wow 84 grand for the eastern washington tag. That's gotta be some kind of record. Wonder what bull that guy is after.
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:yeah: I知 also guessing a new record, someone has a pic of it out there!
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Moose tag went for $50,000 this year which is a record also I believe.
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Stimulus money.
Raffles are going to be record high as well.
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Moose tag went for $50,000 this year which is a record also I believe.
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Putting that extra $600 per week to good use. Saving money on commuting to work, lunches every day, you are set for a great tag! :chuckle:
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Moose tag went for $50,000 this year which is a record also I believe.
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That痴 awesome, how fun would that be!!