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Title: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: elkchaser54 on May 12, 2020, 10:00:29 PM
https://auctions.rmef.org/auctions/12?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Hunting%20Is%20Conservation%20-%20Hunting%20Fights%20the%20Spread%20of%20CWD&utm_campaign=Group%20Email%20-%20HIC%20-%20(Leupold)

Anyone else see this ? The eastern Washington tag is going for $60,000 right now.  That's insane !
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Rainier10 on May 12, 2020, 10:05:31 PM
Fun to watch.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Dan-o on May 12, 2020, 11:49:55 PM
Kind of amazing that the Wa tag is more than double Montana, Wyoming or Utah at the moment......
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Maverick on May 13, 2020, 03:54:49 AM
Someone must be after a certain washington bull
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Jpmiller on May 13, 2020, 06:55:15 AM
Is it just because elk hunting is so limited here as compared to those other states?
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: trophyhunt on May 13, 2020, 07:12:11 AM
At that price I'm sure we will see the Mossback guys blocking roads again, the question is, where???
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: jackelope on May 13, 2020, 07:19:06 AM
At that price I'm sure we will see the Mossback guys blocking roads again, the question is, where???

It's pretty much the same as what it sold for last year, and there weren't any Mossback guys here then.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: LDennis24 on May 13, 2020, 07:28:44 AM
Where were the mossback guys blocking the roads at?
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: jackelope on May 13, 2020, 07:36:22 AM
Where were the mossback guys blocking the roads at?

There was some issues with them down in the Blues 5 ish years ago. I heard about them once and not since.


Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: trophyhunt on May 13, 2020, 07:41:26 AM
Where were the mossback guys blocking the roads at?

There was some issues with them down in the Blues 5 ish years ago. I heard about them once and not since.
:yeah: They also do it in other states. Talked with an owner of a guide service this past weekend, it痴 no secret what they do.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: nwhunter on May 13, 2020, 08:09:54 AM
Mossback hasn't been in Washington for ten years and when they were here it was mostly Washington guys working under his permit. The guys that buy these tags can certainly afford them... These auction tags are still going for "normal" prices inspite of the economy.. People that have been smart with their money and can afford these kind of  things in life still have money to play with...And they still aren't buying $5 mochas  :chuckle:
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Rainier10 on May 13, 2020, 08:19:50 AM
Is it just because elk hunting is so limited here as compared to those other states?
I think that is a big part of it.  You don't have to spend big money in those other states to be able to hunt big bulls and there are a ton good elk in those states.

Here there is no real opportunity to hunt big bulls unless you are really lucky or have a ton of cash.  There are big bulls here and with limited pressure they are pretty easy to look over and decide which one you want.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: trophyhunt on May 13, 2020, 08:20:09 AM
Easy guys, I'm not knocking the raffle tag bidders here.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Rainier10 on May 13, 2020, 08:29:11 AM
At that price I'm sure we will see the Mossback guys blocking roads again, the question is, where???

It's pretty much the same as what it sold for last year, and there weren't any Mossback guys here then.
Exactly, I am pretty sure it is all Washington guys driving the cost up.

Two for sure were from Washington last year and I am not sure if the third guy was from Washington or not.  The third guy on the phone bid $60,000 and then backed out so it fell to the guy at $55,000.  The way I understand it was there was chaos in the room with phone bidders and miscommunication with their counterparts that were in the room bidding for them.

There are at least three playing again this year.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Rainier10 on May 13, 2020, 09:48:11 AM
Getting into record territory now.  It's at $70,000.  2016 it went for $75,000, 2008 it went for $65,000.   There must be a masher out there or someone just had a record profit year and has money to burn.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: LDennis24 on May 13, 2020, 10:21:05 AM
Probably Dan again
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: bornhunter on May 13, 2020, 10:23:46 AM
Probably Dan again

 :yeah:
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: time2hunt on May 13, 2020, 10:32:50 AM
Probably Dan again
Nope


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Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: ipkus on May 13, 2020, 11:11:03 AM
I think the price also has to do with the timeframe.  It is Sept. 1 - Dec. 31 wherever and whenever you want here in WA.  With the other tags I looked at hunting has to take place during an already established and much more limited season.

Having 5 months to get it done is worth a significant premium.  :twocents:
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: idahohuntr on May 13, 2020, 11:27:59 AM
I think the price also has to do with the timeframe.  It is Sept. 1 - Dec. 31 wherever and whenever you want here in WA.  With the other tags I looked at hunting has to take place during an already established and much more limited season.

Having 5 months to get it done is worth a significant premium.  :twocents:
I think this is a big factor as well...not sure there is much premium in being a "WA" bull...unless travel restrictions/COVID concerns make staying close to home valuable??
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Bango skank on May 13, 2020, 11:51:36 AM
I think the price also has to do with the timeframe.  It is Sept. 1 - Dec. 31 wherever and whenever you want here in WA.  With the other tags I looked at hunting has to take place during an already established and much more limited season.

Having 5 months to get it done is worth a significant premium.  :twocents:

4 months
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Buckjunkie on May 13, 2020, 11:52:12 AM
People that have the resources to pay these prices for tags are very busy. They have a lot of hunting going on each Fall along with other obligations they have.

Having a tag in their own back yard that you have 4 months to fill is worth a lot to these folks. It provides flexibility and convenience.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: dilleytech on May 13, 2020, 11:55:36 AM
Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Bango skank on May 13, 2020, 12:01:08 PM
Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?

Oh im pretty sure theres a real good thread on one at least
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: trophyhunt on May 13, 2020, 12:05:01 PM
People that have the resources to pay these prices for tags are very busy. They have a lot of hunting going on each Fall along with other obligations they have.

Having a tag in their own back yard that you have 4 months to fill is worth a lot to these folks. It provides flexibility and convenience.
Never get tired of looking at your moose!
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: full choke on May 13, 2020, 01:15:21 PM
Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?

Oh im pretty sure theres a real good thread on one at least

Raffle tag "spikes" don't count.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Alchase on May 13, 2020, 02:31:40 PM
Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?

Oh im pretty sure theres a real good thread on one at least

Raffle tag "spikes" don't count.

Pets do  :hello:
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Bob33 on May 13, 2020, 02:36:17 PM
Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?
Dan Agnew's:
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: jackelope on May 13, 2020, 02:37:22 PM
People that have the resources to pay these prices for tags are very busy. They have a lot of hunting going on each Fall along with other obligations they have.

Having a tag in their own back yard that you have 4 months to fill is worth a lot to these folks. It provides flexibility and convenience.

I've been told this is a yuge aspect of these tags.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Alchase on May 13, 2020, 03:20:46 PM
Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?
Dan Agnew's:

An amazing bull

 :bow:
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: cougforester on May 13, 2020, 03:41:02 PM
Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?
Dan Agnew's:

An amazing bull

 :bow:

Holy crap, never saw that one. Monster.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Matth on May 13, 2020, 04:35:45 PM
Anyone know where you can find pics of past years bulls killed on governors tags?
Dan Agnew's:

An amazing bull

 :bow:




Holy crap, never saw that one. Monster.

that's not even the big one.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: jackelope on May 13, 2020, 05:09:12 PM
 :o

.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Mfowl on May 13, 2020, 05:16:33 PM
Is that 3rd pic a Rosie? @jackelope
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: jackelope on May 13, 2020, 05:17:00 PM
 :tup:

.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: jackelope on May 13, 2020, 05:17:30 PM
Is that 3rd pic a Rosie? @jackelope

That's Dan Agnew's Blues bull. 2009 I think. Maybe 2010.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Mfowl on May 13, 2020, 05:38:38 PM
Is that 3rd pic a Rosie? @jackelope

That's Dan Agnew's Blues bull. 2009 I think. Maybe 2010.

Thanks! The dark horns and lush veg made me wonder.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: elkrack on May 13, 2020, 06:42:10 PM
:o

.


I was wondering if bullwinkle was going to make an appearance  :chuckle:
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Rainier10 on May 13, 2020, 09:44:35 PM
$76,000 that痴 a record
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: LDennis24 on May 14, 2020, 07:46:28 AM
Not that it matters jackalope, but I think the first one Bob33 posted is the 2010 one
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Matth on May 14, 2020, 09:58:19 AM
Not that it matters jackalope, but I think the first one Bob33 posted is the 2010 one

And i think dan's 436 bull was 08
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: jackelope on May 14, 2020, 10:17:57 AM
Here's the 2010 bull thread.

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,57440.msg706984.html#msg706984

You're right, the other one was 2008, not 2009. I did a quick search and couldn't find a thread, but it was 2008.

Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: jstone on May 14, 2020, 10:27:13 AM
Those Bull are Massive
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 14, 2020, 10:27:44 AM
Some serious coin for a good cause..wish I had that kind of dough.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: jstone on May 14, 2020, 10:52:33 AM
Ya me too.!!!
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: LDennis24 on May 14, 2020, 11:12:46 AM
Yeah one people get pissed that this happens but if you ask me it's for a great cause. If I could afford to I would pay that kind of money and I would pay six figures to hunt in Mongolia and Pakistan too. It would be amazing!
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: actionshooter on May 14, 2020, 06:01:36 PM
Looks like the Washington Tag just went for $84K, there was a little action the last 10 seconds so maybe there was a little competition on the bids?
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Rainier10 on May 14, 2020, 06:02:16 PM
Boomshockalocka!!
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Rainier10 on May 14, 2020, 06:03:29 PM
That痴 big money.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: trophyhunt on May 14, 2020, 06:17:09 PM
If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime!  How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: MtnMuley on May 14, 2020, 06:19:57 PM
If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime!  How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.

Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Mfowl on May 14, 2020, 06:21:22 PM
If hunting seasons were canceled this year do you think exceptions would be made for big spenders like this? I don't really care if there were, just asking.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: MtnMuley on May 14, 2020, 06:30:11 PM
I'm guessing they'd have the "option" of a refund followed by a long paragraph how much they'd appreciate the funds just donated to "benefit" wildlife. :twocents:
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Rainier10 on May 14, 2020, 06:36:16 PM
I would think they would get a rain check for the next year
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: time2hunt on May 14, 2020, 06:42:25 PM
Oh hunting season canceled can you imagine the carry over of big bulls 🤤. In the blues of course


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Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: MtnMuley on May 14, 2020, 06:46:19 PM
I would think they would get a rain check for the next year

If that's the case, then why didn't the Blue Mtn tag holders a few years back who waited 20 years to draw not get an option for a rain check for the next year? 
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 14, 2020, 06:50:34 PM
If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime!  How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.

Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
I think Make-a-wish also doesn't want anything to do with hunting or guns.  There's a spin off group called Hunt of a Lifetime.  I don't know why WDFW wouldn't want to be involved.  I would think they would have a little pile of tags in reserve just for such occasions. 
Title: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: jackelope on May 14, 2020, 06:50:56 PM
I would think they would get a rain check for the next year

If that's the case, then why didn't the Blue Mtn tag holders a few years back who waited 20 years to draw not get an option for a rain check for the next year?

They did. The rain check was good for whenever they drew again
:chuckle:
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: trophyhunt on May 14, 2020, 06:53:56 PM
If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime!  How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.

Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: MtnMuley on May 14, 2020, 06:54:41 PM
I would think they would get a rain check for the next year

If that's the case, then why didn't the Blue Mtn tag holders a few years back who waited 20 years to draw not get an option for a rain check for the next year?

They did. The rain check was good for whenever they drew again
:chuckle:

I can't argue that lol
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: MtnMuley on May 14, 2020, 06:55:12 PM
If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime!  How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.

Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?

Absolutely not.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: MtnMuley on May 14, 2020, 06:56:49 PM
The only person that can let somebody else have the tag here in WA is a raffle tag winner, and then only the person in 2nd place can be awarded the tag.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: idahohuntr on May 14, 2020, 07:40:19 PM
If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime!  How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.

Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
To be fair WDFW gives tags for terminally ill people regularly.  There is no need for someone to buy a tag to gift it in most situations.  The Director can also receive special permits from donors and redistribute them to terminally ill hunters.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: elkh8me on May 14, 2020, 08:47:47 PM
If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime!  How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.

Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
To be fair WDFW gives tags for terminally ill people regularly.  There is no need for someone to buy a tag to gift it in most situations.  The Director can also receive special permits from donors and redistribute them to terminally ill hunters.
Yep its called end of life hunt and its the one thing that wdfw does well!
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Alchase on May 14, 2020, 08:51:39 PM
If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime!  How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.

Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
To be fair WDFW gives tags for terminally ill people regularly.  There is no need for someone to buy a tag to gift it in most situations.  The Director can also receive special permits from donors and redistribute them to terminally ill hunters.
Yep its called end of life hunt and its the one thing that wdfw does well!

End of Life Hunt = a normal person dies before being picked for a decent hunt  :tup:

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: slim9300 on May 14, 2020, 10:32:29 PM
I'm guessing they'd have the "option" of a refund followed by a long paragraph how much they'd appreciate the funds just donated to "benefit" wildlife. :twocents:
Exactly. 🤣


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Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Bob33 on May 14, 2020, 11:27:26 PM
If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime!  How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.

Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040 (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040)

12. Hunting licenses or transport tags obtained pursuant to a raffle may not be resold or reassigned.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: jackelope on May 15, 2020, 09:02:38 AM
If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime!  How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.

Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040 (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040)

12. Hunting licenses or transport tags obtained pursuant to a raffle may not be resold or reassigned.


I've always thought the case was that if the raffle winner was not able to hunt or didn't want the tag, it would go to the #2 person. I assume this would have to happen prior to the tag being actually issued, hence it wouldn't actually be a transfer.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Rainier10 on May 15, 2020, 10:04:29 AM
If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime!  How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.

Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040 (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040)

12. Hunting licenses or transport tags obtained pursuant to a raffle may not be resold or reassigned.


I've always thought the case was that if the raffle winner was not able to hunt or didn't want the tag, it would go to the #2 person. I assume this would have to happen prior to the tag being actually issued, hence it wouldn't actually be a transfer.
That is correct.  Last year the winning bidder backed out right after they banged the gavel closing the auction and it fell to the second highest bidder.  I believe they have a period of time that they can decline and it just goes to the next bidder if they want it.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Mr Mykiss on May 20, 2020, 10:15:03 PM
Agnew owes me more than his 16 guides for that 2010 bull. Gawd I just puked a little...no a lot. Dang I remember the 2012 or whatever bull where whatever rich guy wrote a story about how it was gonna be such a tough hunt after flying in and his guides telling him the Bull was a whopping 1/4 mile in off the road.
Yeah go ahead and say it痴 for the benefit of the wildlife...doing a heck of a lot of good in Washington I知 tellin ya.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: trophyhunt on May 21, 2020, 06:22:20 AM
You made a great point Mykiss, our elk tags sell for crazy amounts and yet the herd is going to shift.  So where is that money going, exactly?
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Mfowl on May 21, 2020, 06:23:47 AM
...to feed the wolves.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Ghost Hunter on May 21, 2020, 11:10:57 AM
RMEF gets 10%
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: dvolmer on May 21, 2020, 10:32:38 PM
You made a great point Mykiss, our elk tags sell for crazy amounts and yet the herd is going to shift.  So where is that money going, exactly?

Those tags do bring a lot of resource money for the elk but it isn't a drop in the bucket when you are dealing with uncontrolled native hunting and uncontrolled wolves.  No amount of money can help that scenario.  $65,000.00 can buy a new decked out truck for the warden though.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Bango skank on May 22, 2020, 12:48:19 AM
...to feed the wolves.

And the bears, and the lions.  Multiple studies in idaho show black bears as the #1 predator of elk calves through august, ahead of even lions and wolves.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: idahohuntr on May 22, 2020, 08:08:55 AM
Yeah go ahead and say it痴 for the benefit of the wildlife...doing a heck of a lot of good in Washington I知 tellin ya.
I agree.  It is a complete farce to suggest the revenue from this auction tag has any meaningful benefit to wildlife or their habitat.  While the money I'm sure is used correctly, its nothing more than a feel good measure to convince the masses to be at least marginally accepting of the auctioning of their wildlife.

State's love them because what bureaucrat doesn't love another revenue stream.  Hunters who can buy them love it because they can buy a great opportunity.  Non-profits who collect a fee like them for the revenue and publicity.  None of these things is inherently bad, but I have strong reservations about the ongoing use and acceptance of auction tags.  In order to bring in big money, these tags require a reduction in the average hunters opportunity...too far of a deviation from the NAMWC for my liking.

That said - one caveat: Species like bighorn sheep, which have very low tag numbers across the board and thus bring in very limited revenue, I'm supportive of auctions to support those species management - they are an important species and auction revenue seems more appropriate given they could not sustain management efforts on the few license dollars they generate on their own.

And one point to clearly emphasize: I fully support and have no animosity whatsoever towards those who participate in these auctions and hunts.  It's the state authorizing the selling that has my disdain...especially when these bureaucrats, with a strait face, can tout how important the 5 figure sum they received is for wildlife/habitat...while at the same time signing nearly 7 figure checks for wolf facilitators.  :bash:
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: ipkus on May 22, 2020, 08:54:48 AM
We don't agree on much, but I completely agree with Idahohuntr's take on this topic.   :tup:
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Pegasus on May 22, 2020, 09:52:34 AM
If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime!  How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.

Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040 (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040)

12. Hunting licenses or transport tags obtained pursuant to a raffle may not be resold or reassigned.


I've always thought the case was that if the raffle winner was not able to hunt or didn't want the tag, it would go to the #2 person. I assume this would have to happen prior to the tag being actually issued, hence it wouldn't actually be a transfer.
That is correct.  Last year the winning bidder backed out right after they banged the gavel closing the auction and it fell to the second highest bidder.  I believe they have a period of time that they can decline and it just goes to the next bidder if they want it.

That scenario allowed the auction to be manipulated upwards. Keep bidding it up with maybe even some accomplices and then cancel sticking the guy that followed your bids up. Stinks but whats new in the world of game auctions for the wealthy only.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Rainier10 on May 22, 2020, 09:56:03 AM
If I had that kind of money I would hire a local guide or two, and get a hold of, Make a wish foundation. Some child with little time left would have the hunt of a lifetime!  How good would that feel. Maybe these rich guys do, I知 not knocking them, just saying what would bring me more joy.

Wrong. This has been tried before twice, and I headed both attempts. WDFW wanted absolutely nothing to do with donating the tag to one terminally ill girl or young man fighting cancer.
cant the winner, tag holder, give the tag to who they want?
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040 (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-040)

12. Hunting licenses or transport tags obtained pursuant to a raffle may not be resold or reassigned.


I've always thought the case was that if the raffle winner was not able to hunt or didn't want the tag, it would go to the #2 person. I assume this would have to happen prior to the tag being actually issued, hence it wouldn't actually be a transfer.
That is correct.  Last year the winning bidder backed out right after they banged the gavel closing the auction and it fell to the second highest bidder.  I believe they have a period of time that they can decline and it just goes to the next bidder if they want it.

That scenario allowed the auction to be manipulated upwards. Keep bidding it up with maybe even some accomplices and then cancel sticking the guy that followed your bids up. Stinks but whats new in the world of game auctions for the wealthy only.
That was my thought exactly. Two guys working together could knock a third guy out of the running.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Gobble Gobble on May 22, 2020, 10:13:51 AM
Yeah go ahead and say it痴 for the benefit of the wildlife...doing a heck of a lot of good in Washington I知 tellin ya.
I agree.  It is a complete farce to suggest the revenue from this auction tag has any meaningful benefit to wildlife or their habitat.  While the money I'm sure is used correctly, its nothing more than a feel good measure to convince the masses to be at least marginally accepting of the auctioning of their wildlife.

State's love them because what bureaucrat doesn't love another revenue stream.  Hunters who can buy them love it because they can buy a great opportunity.  Non-profits who collect a fee like them for the revenue and publicity.  None of these things is inherently bad, but I have strong reservations about the ongoing use and acceptance of auction tags.  In order to bring in big money, these tags require a reduction in the average hunters opportunity...too far of a deviation from the NAMWC for my liking.

That said - one caveat: Species like bighorn sheep, which have very low tag numbers across the board and thus bring in very limited revenue, I'm supportive of auctions to support those species management - they are an important species and auction revenue seems more appropriate given they could not sustain management efforts on the few license dollars they generate on their own.

And one point to clearly emphasize: I fully support and have no animosity whatsoever towards those who participate in these auctions and hunts.  It's the state authorizing the selling that has my disdain...especially when these bureaucrats, with a strait face, can tout how important the 5 figure sum they received is for wildlife/habitat...while at the same time signing nearly 7 figure checks for wolf facilitators.  :bash:

The highest bidder is guaranteed the auction tag I get that but think how many raffle tickets that could buy for multiple species. Yes, you're not guaranteed to win but $60K for a single bull elk when that same amount could get you a bull elk, buck, bull moose. I don't ever look at the raffles to see what is available I just know there are several categories to choose from. I'm a person who wants a bang for their buck (no pun intended and I archery hunt).
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Rainier10 on May 22, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
Yeah go ahead and say it痴 for the benefit of the wildlife...doing a heck of a lot of good in Washington I知 tellin ya.
I agree.  It is a complete farce to suggest the revenue from this auction tag has any meaningful benefit to wildlife or their habitat.  While the money I'm sure is used correctly, its nothing more than a feel good measure to convince the masses to be at least marginally accepting of the auctioning of their wildlife.

State's love them because what bureaucrat doesn't love another revenue stream.  Hunters who can buy them love it because they can buy a great opportunity.  Non-profits who collect a fee like them for the revenue and publicity.  None of these things is inherently bad, but I have strong reservations about the ongoing use and acceptance of auction tags.  In order to bring in big money, these tags require a reduction in the average hunters opportunity...too far of a deviation from the NAMWC for my liking.

That said - one caveat: Species like bighorn sheep, which have very low tag numbers across the board and thus bring in very limited revenue, I'm supportive of auctions to support those species management - they are an important species and auction revenue seems more appropriate given they could not sustain management efforts on the few license dollars they generate on their own.

And one point to clearly emphasize: I fully support and have no animosity whatsoever towards those who participate in these auctions and hunts.  It's the state authorizing the selling that has my disdain...especially when these bureaucrats, with a strait face, can tout how important the 5 figure sum they received is for wildlife/habitat...while at the same time signing nearly 7 figure checks for wolf facilitators.  :bash:

The highest bidder is guaranteed the auction tag I get that but think how many raffle tickets that could buy for multiple species. Yes, you're not guaranteed to win but $60K for a single bull elk when that same amount could get you a bull elk, buck, bull moose. I don't ever look at the raffles to see what is available I just know there are several categories to choose from. I'm a person who wants a bang for their buck (no pun intended and I archery hunt).
The raffles aren't a sure thing.  Two years ago I spent a significant amount on the raffles.  The highest ticket I got was 10th place.  Tickets 2-9 were held by someone who spent 10-15 times the money compared to me but across multiple raffles.  They won some but not all and didn't win the eastern elk.  Someone that bought 4 tickets won.

At least with the auction you either win and are out the cash or lose and have the cash in your pocket.  With the raffle the money is gone win or lose, it's a gamble plain and simple.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Maverick on June 05, 2020, 08:11:17 AM
Wow 84 grand for the eastern washington tag. That's gotta be some kind of record. Wonder what bull that guy is after.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: trophyhunt on June 05, 2020, 08:20:25 AM
 :yeah: I知 also guessing a new record, someone has a pic of it out there!
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: benhuntin on June 05, 2020, 08:30:41 AM
Moose tag went for $50,000 this year which is a record also I believe.


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Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: Rainier10 on June 05, 2020, 08:32:01 AM
Stimulus money.

Raffles are going to be record high as well.
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: vandeman17 on June 05, 2020, 08:33:21 AM
Moose tag went for $50,000 this year which is a record also I believe.


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Putting that extra $600 per week to good use. Saving money on commuting to work, lunches every day, you are set  for a great tag!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: RMEF governor tag auctions
Post by: trophyhunt on June 05, 2020, 08:36:35 AM
Moose tag went for $50,000 this year which is a record also I believe.


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That痴 awesome, how fun would that be!!
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