Post by: jasnt on May 26, 2020, 05:11:52 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/wdfw-lands/recreation-planning/rule-development/target-shooting#
During the summer of 2017, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) formed a target shooting advisory group to help determine rules for target shooting on the Wenas Wildlife Area in Kittitas and Yakima counties. Members of the advisory group included representatives from a number of interested parties.
As the group developed a localized strategy for the Wenas Wildlife Area, it was clear that the department needed a comprehensive, statewide target shooting rule for all WDFW owned and managed lands. Members of the advisory group provided feedback encouraging the department to develop a draft rule that could go into effect for all WDFW lands.
The proposed target shooting rule update is available for review below.
The department will accept comments for the proposed update until June 10, 2020. Members of the public can submit comments by completing the Target Shooting Rule Survey.
There will be further opportunity to provide comment during the June meeting of the Fish and Wildlife Commission.
The department anticipates enactment of an updated target shooting rule in January 2021.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 26, 2020, 06:05:52 AM
Edit: on further thought not legal to shoot unless you have placed a commercial target out there. Hmmm
Post by: 700xcr on May 26, 2020, 09:11:05 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 26, 2020, 09:17:45 AM
If you want to target practice join a actual shooting facility! I am a Safety Advisor at our local range. Half of the people don't care what type of ammo they shoot. They buy the cheapest ammo (steel core) and shoot steel targets and rocks. Then have fires. My actual 2 cents worth.
Agreed! But the State recognizes shooting as a popular use of public lands. Most of us aren’t near a public facility that accommodates 1000 yard shooting, much less 1700 yards.
Post by: jasnt on May 26, 2020, 10:08:39 AM
also the guys shooting long range on public lands don’t shoot cheap steel core crap.If you want to target practice join a actual shooting facility! I am a Safety Advisor at our local range. Half of the people don't care what type of ammo they shoot. They buy the cheapest ammo (steel core) and shoot steel targets and rocks. Then have fires. My actual 2 cents worth.
Agreed! But the State recognizes shooting as a popular use of public lands. Most of us aren’t near a public facility that accommodates 1000 yard shooting, much less 1700 yards.
Post by: timberfaller on May 26, 2020, 10:24:00 AM
pssssst, its called "lead contamination" brought to you by the "Bio-diversity Groups" and your local anti's!
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 27, 2020, 10:58:00 AM
Just be careful who you trust! There are department employee's who would like nothing more then to close down established ranges on department lands.
pssssst, its called "lead contamination" brought to you by the "Bio-diversity Groups" and your local anti's!
Yep, done in California, just a matter of time. Time to start testing Hammer Bullets I guess......
Post by: konradcountry on May 27, 2020, 12:31:12 PM
If you want to target practice join a actual shooting facility! I am a Safety Advisor at our local range. Half of the people don't care what type of ammo they shoot. They buy the cheapest ammo (steel core) and shoot steel targets and rocks. Then have fires. My actual 2 cents worth.
Not everyone has a range near them and some of them only allow so many members or have lame requirements like you must join a certain political organization.
Post by: 700xcr on May 27, 2020, 01:15:33 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on May 27, 2020, 03:44:39 PM
If you want to target practice join a actual shooting facility! I am a Safety Advisor at our local range. Half of the people don't care what type of ammo they shoot. They buy the cheapest ammo (steel core) and shoot steel targets and rocks. Then have fires. My actual 2 cents worth.There's no 1500 yard public range in my area , And I don't shoot cheap ammo
Post by: 700xcr on May 27, 2020, 03:56:39 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on May 27, 2020, 04:01:40 PM
If you want to target practice join a actual shooting facility! I am a Safety Advisor at our local range. Half of the people don't care what type of ammo they shoot. They buy the cheapest ammo (steel core) and shoot steel targets and rocks. Then have fires. My actual 2 cents worth.
I’m not willing to do that.
There aren’t any that have useful distances
There are caliber restrictions
There are restrictions on muzzle devices
Forced to join NRA
Overzealous RO’s who don’t know much about firearms.
Fart dust oldtimers that treat new members like S.
And that’s just a start.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on May 27, 2020, 04:03:50 PM
Granted people you longer range guys reload your ammo! I don't see a problem with it. You will still get the bad apples that ruins it for the real shooter that cares. Just saying all it takes is one bad apple that buys cheap ammo (steel core) shooting that rock across the way and ignite a spark and then have a fire. Then the area will be closed off. Then it puts us honest Shooters in the same category of the one starting the fires. We the good shooters take a bad check mark. Just saying. Designated ranges has rules but they still don't follow the rules that's why you got to watch him like a hawk.
I’ll bet more fires are started by glass and garbage by the side of the road than steel core ammunition.
Also smokers. Can you smoke on State land?
Post by: 762Armo on May 27, 2020, 04:09:24 PM
If you want to target practice join a actual shooting facility! I am a Safety Advisor at our local range. Half of the people don't care what type of ammo they shoot. They buy the cheapest ammo (steel core) and shoot steel targets and rocks. Then have fires. My actual 2 cents worth.
I think it's important to note the difference between "steel cased" ammo and "steel core." Most people don't shoot "steel core" ammo. Vast "cheap" made ammo is "lead core, steel case"
And people shouldn't be forced to join an "actual shooting facility" to enjoy shooting on public land.
Post by: 700xcr on May 27, 2020, 04:21:54 PM
Post by: fireweed on May 27, 2020, 08:01:04 PM
Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere. They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway. They did it with signs, maps, and a line-items in a wildlife area plan. All Administratively done without further input.
Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference. They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan. There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere. I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too. Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.
Post by: jasnt on May 27, 2020, 08:47:18 PM
Here's the problem with the whole process--there are absolutely no guarantees that a single acre will be open to shooting. They say, "Wait, that's not true, all state land is open unless closed!" But in reality after this whole dog and pony show, they will just close everything. (OK maybe a few spots in huge eastern Wa wildlife areas will be open, but that's it). That's how it worked when they developed the "public process" and rules for camping a few years backi don’t doubt it for a sec. hopefully this only pertains to wdfw land and not all public land
Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere. They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway. They did it with signs, maps, and a line-items in a wildlife area plan. All Administratively done without further input.
Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference. They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan. There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere. I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too. Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.
Post by: bigtex on May 27, 2020, 09:20:26 PM
WDFW can't regulate target shooting off WDFW landHere's the problem with the whole process--there are absolutely no guarantees that a single acre will be open to shooting. They say, "Wait, that's not true, all state land is open unless closed!" But in reality after this whole dog and pony show, they will just close everything. (OK maybe a few spots in huge eastern Wa wildlife areas will be open, but that's it). That's how it worked when they developed the "public process" and rules for camping a few years backi don’t doubt it for a sec. hopefully this only pertains to wdfw land and not all public land
Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere. They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway. They did it with signs, maps, and a line-items in a wildlife area plan. All Administratively done without further input.
Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference. They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan. There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere. I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too. Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.
Post by: bigtex on May 27, 2020, 09:25:59 PM
Here's the problem with the whole process--there are absolutely no guarantees that a single acre will be open to shooting. They say, "Wait, that's not true, all state land is open unless closed!" But in reality after this whole dog and pony show, they will just close everything. (OK maybe a few spots in huge eastern Wa wildlife areas will be open, but that's it). That's how it worked when they developed the "public process" and rules for camping a few years backEverything you mention is actually already in the current regs.
Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere. They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway. They did it with signs, maps, and a line-items in a wildlife area plan. All Administratively done without further input.
Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference. They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan. There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere. I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too. Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.
WAC 220-500-140
Firearms and target practicing.
(1)(a) It is unlawful to discharge tracer or incendiary ammunition on department lands.
(b) It is unlawful to discharge firearms in those portions of department lands where or when such discharge is prohibited by department posted notice or from or within five hundred feet of a department designated campground. Violating this subsection is a gross misdemeanor if the violation creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person, pursuant to RCW 9A.36.050.
(c) It is unlawful to fail to remove expended shell casings, ammunition packaging, or other related target debris, excluding clay pigeons, when target practicing on department lands at the conclusion of the target practice session and prior to departure from the area. Failure to remove debris constitutes littering.
(d) The use of glass, signs, appliances, mattresses, TVs, furniture, and exploding items as targets in target practicing is prohibited.
(2) The department may designate locations and times for target practicing consistent with resource management or public safety concerns.
Post by: jasnt on May 27, 2020, 09:29:05 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on May 27, 2020, 09:38:45 PM
Here's the problem with the whole process--there are absolutely no guarantees that a single acre will be open to shooting. They say, "Wait, that's not true, all state land is open unless closed!" But in reality after this whole dog and pony show, they will just close everything. (OK maybe a few spots in huge eastern Wa wildlife areas will be open, but that's it). That's how it worked when they developed the "public process" and rules for camping a few years backEverything you mention is actually already in the current regs.
Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere. They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway. They did it with signs, maps, and a line-items in a wildlife area plan. All Administratively done without further input.
Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference. They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan. There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere. I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too. Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.
WAC 220-500-140
Firearms and target practicing.
(1)(a) It is unlawful to discharge tracer or incendiary ammunition on department lands.
(b) It is unlawful to discharge firearms in those portions of department lands where or when such discharge is prohibited by department posted notice or from or within five hundred feet of a department designated campground. Violating this subsection is a gross misdemeanor if the violation creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person, pursuant to RCW 9A.36.050.
(c) It is unlawful to fail to remove expended shell casings, ammunition packaging, or other related target debris, excluding clay pigeons, when target practicing on department lands at the conclusion of the target practice session and prior to departure from the area. Failure to remove debris constitutes littering.
(d) The use of glass, signs, appliances, mattresses, TVs, furniture, and exploding items as targets in target practicing is prohibited.
(2) The department may designate locations and times for target practicing consistent with resource management or public safety concerns.
What about smoking cigarettes?
Post by: bigtex on May 27, 2020, 09:45:51 PM
What does that have to do with target shooting? But to answer your question there is a statewide fire law that pertains to smoking cigarettes in forest/brush areas.What about smoking cigarettes?Here's the problem with the whole process--there are absolutely no guarantees that a single acre will be open to shooting. They say, "Wait, that's not true, all state land is open unless closed!" But in reality after this whole dog and pony show, they will just close everything. (OK maybe a few spots in huge eastern Wa wildlife areas will be open, but that's it). That's how it worked when they developed the "public process" and rules for camping a few years backEverything you mention is actually already in the current regs.
Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere. They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway. They did it with signs, maps, and a line-items in a wildlife area plan. All Administratively done without further input.
Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference. They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan. There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere. I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too. Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.
WAC 220-500-140
Firearms and target practicing.
(1)(a) It is unlawful to discharge tracer or incendiary ammunition on department lands.
(b) It is unlawful to discharge firearms in those portions of department lands where or when such discharge is prohibited by department posted notice or from or within five hundred feet of a department designated campground. Violating this subsection is a gross misdemeanor if the violation creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person, pursuant to RCW 9A.36.050.
(c) It is unlawful to fail to remove expended shell casings, ammunition packaging, or other related target debris, excluding clay pigeons, when target practicing on department lands at the conclusion of the target practice session and prior to departure from the area. Failure to remove debris constitutes littering.
(d) The use of glass, signs, appliances, mattresses, TVs, furniture, and exploding items as targets in target practicing is prohibited.
(2) The department may designate locations and times for target practicing consistent with resource management or public safety concerns.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on May 27, 2020, 10:08:50 PM
What does that have to do with target shooting? But to answer your question there is a statewide fire law that pertains to smoking cigarettes in forest/brush areas.What about smoking cigarettes?Here's the problem with the whole process--there are absolutely no guarantees that a single acre will be open to shooting. They say, "Wait, that's not true, all state land is open unless closed!" But in reality after this whole dog and pony show, they will just close everything. (OK maybe a few spots in huge eastern Wa wildlife areas will be open, but that's it). That's how it worked when they developed the "public process" and rules for camping a few years backEverything you mention is actually already in the current regs.
Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere. They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway. They did it with signs, maps, and a line-items in a wildlife area plan. All Administratively done without further input.
Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference. They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan. There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere. I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too. Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.
WAC 220-500-140
Firearms and target practicing.
(1)(a) It is unlawful to discharge tracer or incendiary ammunition on department lands.
(b) It is unlawful to discharge firearms in those portions of department lands where or when such discharge is prohibited by department posted notice or from or within five hundred feet of a department designated campground. Violating this subsection is a gross misdemeanor if the violation creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person, pursuant to RCW 9A.36.050.
(c) It is unlawful to fail to remove expended shell casings, ammunition packaging, or other related target debris, excluding clay pigeons, when target practicing on department lands at the conclusion of the target practice session and prior to departure from the area. Failure to remove debris constitutes littering.
(d) The use of glass, signs, appliances, mattresses, TVs, furniture, and exploding items as targets in target practicing is prohibited.
(2) The department may designate locations and times for target practicing consistent with resource management or public safety concerns.
Just trying to make sense of stupid *censored* and maybe a little perspective.
I’ll stop now.
Enjoy your bureaucracy..,