Post by: MerriamMagician on July 17, 2020, 09:57:21 PM
Post by: cem3434 on July 17, 2020, 10:34:11 PM
Post by: Widgeondeke on July 17, 2020, 10:58:15 PM
Numerous sensor issues. All not covered
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 18, 2020, 05:57:34 AM
Fyi With diesels any fuel pump issues dealer may blame on bad fuel which voids warranty coverage. Happened to me twice! First time ate $13k next time won with out of court settlement. Usually not bad fuel but he said she said you end up fighting service techs opinion and have to force them for proof.
Post by: jackelope on July 18, 2020, 12:24:22 PM
Between fuel filters and DEF and more expensive oil changes, I don’t understand how they’re any better than a gas engine. I drove a 2020 F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost engine to Newburg Oregon last weekend. Empty it got me 24.6mpg and on the way back with 1400 pounds of animal feed in the bed I got 22.2mpg. The Ford eco diesel oil change is almost $200 plus fuel filters at $200 every 15k miles. Add in a bunch of diesel exhaust fluid every 5k miles and the cost is high to maintain and drive if you ask me. The Dodge and Chevy shouldn’t be too much different maintenance wise.
Post by: b23 on July 18, 2020, 02:19:14 PM
I’m not a believer.
Between fuel filters and DEF and more expensive oil changes, I don’t understand how they’re any better than a gas engine. I drove a 2020 F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost engine to Newburg Oregon last weekend. Empty it got me 24.6mpg and on the way back with 1400 pounds of animal feed in the bed I got 22.2mpg. The Ford eco diesel oil change is almost $200 plus fuel filters at $200 every 15k miles. Add in a bunch of diesel exhaust fluid every 5k miles and the cost is high to maintain and drive if you ask me. The Dodge and Chevy shouldn’t be too much different maintenance wise.
I'm right there with you.
In a 3/4 or 1 ton pickup diesels offer pulling power no gas engine can touch, but in a 1/2 ton, I just don't see any advantage to the diesel option.
Post by: cem3434 on July 18, 2020, 04:33:34 PM
I’m not a believer.
Between fuel filters and DEF and more expensive oil changes, I don’t understand how they’re any better than a gas engine. I drove a 2020 F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost engine to Newburg Oregon last weekend. Empty it got me 24.6mpg and on the way back with 1400 pounds of animal feed in the bed I got 22.2mpg. The Ford eco diesel oil change is almost $200 plus fuel filters at $200 every 15k miles. Add in a bunch of diesel exhaust fluid every 5k miles and the cost is high to maintain and drive if you ask me. The Dodge and Chevy shouldn’t be too much different maintenance wise.
I'm still skeptical and I'm not entirely sold on the ecodiesels either. I intentionally waited until early 2019 and bought a late 2018 model because they had serious problems through early 2017 with the Dodge ecodiesel from all of my research.
Therre is a big difference of one freeway road trip and averaging 24.6 mph versus going 10k miles and averaging over 24 mpg because a lot of that was city and woods. Funny enough, I traded in a 2017 Ford ecoboost that I had nothing but problems with when I bought the dodge. In the first 20k miles on the Ford, it had several electrical issues and ate up a supercharger under warranty thankfully. I also have a 2006 Duramax for my heavy hauling, but the Dodge is rated to tow a little over 12k pounds in a half ton which is impressive imho.
For most people who only tow a camp trailer or similar, the ecodiesel is more than sufficient power wise. I usually only use my duramax to tow a mini excavator or similar equipment. My experience has been positive so far, but check back with me in another year and maybe I hate them. :chuckle:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 18, 2020, 05:49:36 PM
Post by: cem3434 on July 18, 2020, 06:39:24 PM
Is that a 2wd tow rating? I saw the press releases saying 12k but Ram web sites say 9200-9500. ????
https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/2020-ram-1500-ecodiesel-pickup-truck/
Post by: jackelope on July 18, 2020, 06:47:33 PM
Was it an early ecoboost? 2012 or 13 ish?
Post by: cem3434 on July 18, 2020, 07:44:05 PM
Cem-
Was it an early ecoboost? 2012 or 13 ish?
No, we got it in new in 2016, but it was a 2017 model. My wife wanted a new F150 as she is really the main driver of our truck (I have a company truck) and liked everything else about the truck. I said no way to a Ford after my last experience with the EcoBoost thus the reason we ended up with the Dodge ecodiesel instead.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 18, 2020, 07:44:57 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 18, 2020, 09:05:50 PM
My son has the Ram 2015 that he pulls his toy hauler (currently moving to Texas, at around 14,000 pounds) long distance, no problems so far. And loves the fuel mileage. :tup:
The 1500 ? It rated for like 9200 in 2wd and less in 4x4?
Post by: Dhoey07 on July 18, 2020, 09:21:13 PM
Post by: Dirty Mike on July 18, 2020, 11:13:19 PM
Post by: kball4 on July 21, 2020, 01:22:15 PM
Post by: cem3434 on July 21, 2020, 10:52:01 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a28148602/2020-chevrolet-silverado-3-0l-diesel-drive/
Post by: jackelope on July 22, 2020, 06:42:35 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 22, 2020, 06:55:19 AM
I know dodge eco-diesels have very low payload ratings. Like 900 lbs for a crew cab. 4 dudes and a cup of coffee and your all out of payload.
This is true for pre-2020. Soft springs and passenger rated tires = great ride and mileage. Need more? Different tires and throw bags inside the coils gets you up to normal.
As for magazine articles ref 12000 lb tow for ecodiesel those are wrong. In fact you can’t combine some options like power steps and sunroof as they exceed load capacity with 4 people.
Post by: Sandberm on July 22, 2020, 07:13:11 AM
Do not get the gen 1 or 2 ecodiesel. 2020 or newer only. I’m on 2nd one, great rigs but I wouldn’t keep past warranty.
Fyi With diesels any fuel pump issues dealer may blame on bad fuel which voids warranty coverage. Happened to me twice! First time ate $13k next time won with out of court settlement. Usually not bad fuel but he said she said you end up fighting service techs opinion and have to force them for proof.
Your thread about your troubles alone would keep me from buying an ecodiesel unless I had money to burn.
Post by: jackelope on July 22, 2020, 07:15:50 AM
Post by: kball4 on July 22, 2020, 07:28:09 AM
According to this article by Car and Driver, the Silverado 1500 ecodiesel has 9,300 lbs of towing capacity, the Ford F150 ecodiesel has 11,500 lbs of towing capacity and the Dodge Ram 1500 has 12,560 lbs of towing capacity. Sounds like your not a Dodge fan, but let's stick to the facts as we are trying to get honest feedback since most of us are intrigued and not completely sold on the ecodiesels. I personally have both Chevy and Dodge ecodiesels and I can tell you the Dodge will out tow the Chevy any day of the week. I don't know anything about the Ford ecodiesels, so I won't comment on their capabilities.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a28148602/2020-chevrolet-silverado-3-0l-diesel-drive/
Personally I think Ford, Dodge and Chevy are all about the same. I am a Ford person but looked hard at dodge 3500 before I bought a F-450. I was just giving known information from first hand experience about the payload of the dodge 1500's with the rear coils pre 2020 apparently.
Post by: kball4 on July 22, 2020, 07:35:52 AM