Post by: scotsman on August 20, 2020, 08:12:01 PM
Asking for a friend.... let’s say a fella or gal has owned a pistol for 30 something years, bought way before ffl was required. If he / she was to sell or trade it, how would he/ she prove ownership? Would there be any hurdles or hassles?
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 20, 2020, 08:16:10 PM
Yes, it is more hassles than before I-594, which requires background checks. But it is not insurmountable.
Post by: fowl smacker on August 20, 2020, 08:35:52 PM
Post by: Stein on August 20, 2020, 08:38:20 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on August 20, 2020, 08:42:35 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on August 20, 2020, 08:45:24 PM
Or if it's someone "they" know personally, just do the transaction and call it good.I'm no lawyer but I did sleep at a holiday inn express last night and I agree with this post
Post by: TVHunts on August 25, 2020, 06:06:20 PM
Or if it's someone "they" know personally, just do the transaction and call it good.I'm no lawyer but I did sleep at a holiday inn express last night and I agree with this post
:chuckle: :yeah:
Post by: Bango skank on August 25, 2020, 06:08:30 PM
Or if it's someone "they" know personally, just do the transaction and call it good.I'm no lawyer but I did sleep at a holiday inn express last night and I agree with this post
:chuckle: :yeah:
Yup. Cant prove it was sold after nov 2014 if it hasnt undergone an ffl transfer since. Trust the buyer? Then all is well. Screw these stupid laws.
Post by: Stein on August 25, 2020, 06:17:02 PM
If it is used in a crime, there are many ways to figure out where it came from and when.
A background check is $20-40 in most cases and protects the seller. When I sell a car, I file the sale notification immediately, same theory for a firearm.
You might be surprised the paper trail that already exists, when I applied for my CPL renewal, I saw the paperwork and was surprised to see a transaction for a pistol I bought in 1998 at the top of the list.
Post by: Lucky1 on August 25, 2020, 07:40:34 PM
It's not too hard to prove to the standard that will get someone in trouble, subpoena the ISP and this website and put that in front of a jury.I am under the impression that they are not supposed to keep those records for more than 90 days or something like that. Maybe that’s just the instant check records.
If it is used in a crime, there are many ways to figure out where it came from and when.
A background check is $20-40 in most cases and protects the seller. When I sell a car, I file the sale notification immediately, same theory for a firearm.
You might be surprised the paper trail that already exists, when I applied for my CPL renewal, I saw the paperwork and was surprised to see a transaction for a pistol I bought in 1998 at the top of the list.
Post by: Oh Mah on August 25, 2020, 07:44:50 PM
Post by: Stein on August 25, 2020, 07:57:39 PM
It's not too hard to prove to the standard that will get someone in trouble, subpoena the ISP and this website and put that in front of a jury.I am under the impression that they are not supposed to keep those records for more than 90 days or something like that. Maybe that’s just the instant check records.
If it is used in a crime, there are many ways to figure out where it came from and when.
A background check is $20-40 in most cases and protects the seller. When I sell a car, I file the sale notification immediately, same theory for a firearm.
You might be surprised the paper trail that already exists, when I applied for my CPL renewal, I saw the paperwork and was surprised to see a transaction for a pistol I bought in 1998 at the top of the list.
True.
It's also true that WA can keep tax and other records forever, that's the way it was explained to me. For rifles, I don't think a list exists. For pistols, it 100% does. When a LEO pulls you over and runs your info, he will know what pistols you have purchased back for a long time.
I have seen it on my CPL renewal background check and I have seen it in a ride-along with a LEO. If you know one, ask and they will confirm.
Post by: fowl smacker on August 26, 2020, 08:25:08 AM
When you get pulled over and ask for ID. "We run the ID to make sure of your driving status and to see if you have any warrants. The fact that you have a valid CPL will also show on your driving return. We dont get info back on what guns you own."
Post by: Fishmaker57 on August 26, 2020, 08:39:29 AM
If the liberal, radical, socialist dems get in power, they WILL be coming after any registered gun in the country!
:twocents:
Post by: Stein on August 26, 2020, 08:44:44 AM
Just asked my buddy who is a sheriff about this. This was his reply about knowing an ID checked individuals firearm ownership history.
When you get pulled over and ask for ID. "We run the ID to make sure of your driving status and to see if you have any warrants. The fact that you have a valid CPL will also show on your driving return. We dont get info back on what guns you own."
Huh, maybe it changed since I had seen it, I saw it on a screen in a police car as well as the background check printout but both were a couple of years ago. I'll ask if I remember next time I talk with a LEO.
Here is an article that discusses it in 2014:
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/politics-government/election/article25885201.html
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One dispute arising in the political fight over Initiative 594’s expansion of background checks is whether it creates a registry of Washington gun owners that could threaten gun rights.
The short answer is no. Washington does not have a gun registry, and I-594 does not create one.
But the state Department of Licensing does maintain a database that includes a permanent record of handgun sales. The state handgun data is kept for use by law enforcement when investigating gun crimes or doing background checks required before sales of new firearms by licensed dealers.
Post by: Lucky1 on August 26, 2020, 08:45:00 AM
Just my personal opinion, but if you own a gun that has never been registered - DON'T SELL IT!!!!There is no registration. (Yet). There is just a record of the gun purchase. I do get your point, but want to make that distinction. I am not going to hide any guns from “them”. They can come and try to take them all if “they” decide that’s what “they” are going to do. I am doing all I can to help get people elected to office that are pro 2A. You should be too!
If the liberal, radical, socialist dems get in power, they WILL be coming after any registered gun in the country!
:twocents:
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 26, 2020, 09:07:47 AM
They have a record of sale. Even if it's not a 100% registry, it's still a dangerous database.
Post by: Stein on August 26, 2020, 09:09:27 AM
Post by: Jingles on August 26, 2020, 09:28:08 AM