Post by: LOlson45 on August 24, 2020, 09:24:43 PM
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Post by: Bango skank on August 25, 2020, 01:51:27 AM
One more thing, its 10gal per bait pile. You can have more than 1 pile, they just need to be 200+ yards apart. So a guy can set up a treestand or whatever in a good natural travel corridor with a 10 gal pile 100 yards one way, another 10 gal 100 yards the other way. Now your piles are 200 yards apart, and youre between them in a pinch point. Just sayin. You also wont get stuck in your stand that way, with does hitting a hay pile in front of you at dark.
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 25, 2020, 06:42:13 AM
The barrel would be secure storage.
Post by: dilleytech on August 25, 2020, 07:40:56 AM
If I read this correctly it's 10 gallons on the "ground." Does that mean I could have a 50 gallon drum sitting there to store feed in and then only dump 10 gallons or less at a time?
The barrel would be secure storage.
Yes. Such as a automatic feeder. As long as there’s less then 10 gallons of it accessible to the animals.
Post by: Stein on August 25, 2020, 07:48:43 AM
what about fields that have been cut like corn and alfalfa?I was a little unclear on it also.
Somewhere there is a blurb about normal agricultural processes - maybe it's for waterfowl not big game but the idea is that normal ag processes are ok to hunt over. So, if they cut something and some is left in the process (harvest isn't 100% perfect) or the normal process is cut it today and come back at some point and pick it up it's ok. It's not ok to cut the corn and leave it all season though.
It's also ok to hunt an orchard and not worry about how many apples have fallen from the trees. You can even plant a tree and never pick any apples. You just can't go out there, pick them all and put them in a pile.
It's kind of nuanced, but pretty common sense in the other hand. Don't artificially place a huge pile of bait, or tons of piles in a small area. There was a ton of abuse in the past, some of which made for good tv provided you get the right camera angles. :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on August 25, 2020, 09:08:42 AM
Post by: jrebel on August 25, 2020, 09:58:09 AM
I know it also became a problem in one part of our state because a person owned a fairly small plot of land (relatively speaking) in a cluster of privately owned property. This individual dumped bait by the ton and it drew all the deer to his property. This is kind of a johnson move and shows the greed of some people.
Post by: Sutherland on August 25, 2020, 10:30:49 AM
Well said.
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 25, 2020, 10:33:11 AM
You also wont get stuck in your stand that way, with does hitting a hay pile in front of you at dark.
Triggered me with this one
Post by: buckfvr on August 25, 2020, 12:55:07 PM
Never cut the strings on falfa......make them work for it. Bagged feed should be spread in a some what large area preferably in tall grass, again make them work for it. Placing bait in piles just ensures you have to add to it each day/night which equals too much human activity on the bait site. Dont trap yourself in your stand with your bait placement. Plan your use of bait AND OR scent to put your target deer in THE spot you have selected for your shot, preferably so you do not have to stand and or turn, just draw and shoot. These suggestions do work but keep in mind its about keeping feeding does near your site in hopes of a visit by a buck, not waiting for a buck to come in and feed.
Oh ya, and be sure to practice scent control AND hunt the wind, and if you get busted in your stand, gig is up, hope you have another stand hung.
Post by: OutHouse on August 25, 2020, 01:31:34 PM
Your constant activity at a bait site makes it and you predictable. This may not affect does, but it sure as heck affects bucks. Cliche as it may sound, there is "baiting", and there is "baiting". One works, the other not so much. You pretty much cant miss with does and the young bucks who hang with them until its time to breed, but if its say 3 1/2 year old or older bucks you are hunting, (the older the harder), then there are several other tricks you better have up your sleeve as well.
Never cut the strings on falfa......make them work for it. Bagged feed should be spread in a some what large area preferably in tall grass, again make them work for it. Placing bait in piles just ensures you have to add to it each day/night which equals too much human activity on the bait site. Dont trap yourself in your stand with your bait placement. Plan your use of bait AND OR scent to put your target deer in THE spot you have selected for your shot, preferably so you do not have to stand and or turn, just draw and shoot. These suggestions do work but keep in mind its about keeping feeding does near your site in hopes of a visit by a buck, not waiting for a buck to come in and feed.
Oh ya, and be sure to practice scent control AND hunt the wind, and if you get busted in your stand, gig is up, hope you have another stand hung.
Good points. I have only ever seen a mature buck at a bait site in the night on trail camera.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 08, 2020, 10:40:24 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on September 08, 2020, 11:04:05 AM
Your constant activity at a bait site makes it and you predictable. This may not affect does, but it sure as heck affects bucks. Cliche as it may sound, there is "baiting", and there is "baiting". One works, the other not so much. You pretty much cant miss with does and the young bucks who hang with them until its time to breed, but if its say 3 1/2 year old or older bucks you are hunting, (the older the harder), then there are several other tricks you better have up your sleeve as well.
Never cut the strings on falfa......make them work for it. Bagged feed should be spread in a some what large area preferably in tall grass, again make them work for it. Placing bait in piles just ensures you have to add to it each day/night which equals too much human activity on the bait site. Dont trap yourself in your stand with your bait placement. Plan your use of bait AND OR scent to put your target deer in THE spot you have selected for your shot, preferably so you do not have to stand and or turn, just draw and shoot. These suggestions do work but keep in mind its about keeping feeding does near your site in hopes of a visit by a buck, not waiting for a buck to come in and feed.
Oh ya, and be sure to practice scent control AND hunt the wind, and if you get busted in your stand, gig is up, hope you have another stand hung.
I agree with all this. One thing I started doing that helped was I built a covered pipe system that I strapped to a tree that would gravity release wet cob. It helped keep the feed fresh and more attractive. That is another benefit of keeping bales with strings not cut is that it helps keep it fresh when it rains/snows.
Post by: HillHound on September 08, 2020, 11:23:33 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on September 08, 2020, 11:33:02 AM
Do you just get the wet cob at your local feed store? And if you do is that what they call it or do they sell it called something else? Can’t seem to find it
Correct. I get mine in bags at Coastal Farm and Ranch here in town.
https://www.coastalcountry.com/products/pet-animal/equine/feed-treats/wet-cob-50-lb-bag-nufe95270
Post by: jrebel on September 08, 2020, 11:41:02 AM
Do you just get the wet cob at your local feed store? And if you do is that what they call it or do they sell it called something else? Can’t seem to find it
Yes wet cob can be bought at most feed stores user that exact name. Wet cob will mold in wet or hot areas and the animals will not eat it at that point.
I find that whole corn is a better option for deer. They love it and it does not attract bear.
Post by: vandeman17 on September 08, 2020, 11:48:08 AM
Do you just get the wet cob at your local feed store? And if you do is that what they call it or do they sell it called something else? Can’t seem to find it
Yes wet cob can be bought at most feed stores user that exact name. Wet cob will mold in wet or hot areas and the animals will not eat it at that point.
I find that whole corn is a better option for deer. They love it and it does not attract bear.
This is why I used the pipe attached to the tree to store it. Keeps it dry and as the stuff on the ground gets eaten, more trickles out. I haven't had any bears using it yet but the turkeys will hammer it
Post by: NitRally on September 08, 2020, 11:50:54 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 08, 2020, 12:27:02 PM
So could you use a salt lick provided its "10 gallons"?
Yes. You can use salt.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 08, 2020, 12:29:05 PM
Do you just get the wet cob at your local feed store? And if you do is that what they call it or do they sell it called something else? Can’t seem to find it
Yes wet cob can be bought at most feed stores user that exact name. Wet cob will mold in wet or hot areas and the animals will not eat it at that point.
I find that whole corn is a better option for deer. They love it and it does not attract bear.
This has been my experience with Wet Cob as well. They nibble at it for a couple of days, then it gets gross and they won't touch it. I have better luck with Garbonzo Beans (dried chick peas)
Post by: Mallardmasher on September 10, 2020, 10:32:27 PM
Some stands I place on major transition trails, or bait locations, so this time of year, I will use some doe in heat in the morning and sit that eve. I know and they know it is way to early. But the Grey Ghost is a curious critter. He will get up earlier to check things out
Post by: lokidog on September 10, 2020, 10:49:33 PM
I have many mature bucks come to a bait site, in last 20 min of shooting hours when I want them to. Or during the rut. The key is to keep the breed-able doe’s happy, and the big bucks follow.
Some stands I place on major transition trails, or bait locations, so this time of year, I will use some doe in heat in the morning and sit that eve. I know and they know it is way to early. But the Grey Ghost is a curious critter. He will get up earlier to check things out
I've gotten mature bucks at my apples placed out, but Decatur is definitely different from the norm as far as deer behavior. After reading a thread about what do you do if you need to pee on stand, I peed next to the apples at one of my sites and had absolutely no reaction by the deer eating the apples there. I've taken bites of apples and then thrown them to a deer just to watch it eat the rest as well.