Post by: huntnfmly on September 02, 2020, 02:09:17 PM
So just keep draining water and add more ice ?
For trip home
Thanks for the info
Post by: vandeman17 on September 02, 2020, 02:31:58 PM
Post by: Henrydog on September 02, 2020, 02:38:15 PM
Post by: Stein on September 02, 2020, 02:44:45 PM
Down south, they submerge deer in icewater and it doesn't seem to bother them.
If you keep it clean and get it cool I don't think you will have any problems no matter the method assuming common sense like not using untreated water or stuff that will introduce bacteria.
Post by: huntnfmly on September 02, 2020, 05:16:22 PM
Post by: RockChuck on September 02, 2020, 06:37:32 PM
I freeze water in old plastic milk jugs ( of the like). Keeps the cooler cold and the water does not flood when the ice melts. It keeps the cooler cool, but not ice cold. Set the game bag(s) on top. If fact I did this last night with a Turkey
:yeah: This is what I have been doing for fish and game for a while, frozen water jugs then refreeze and don’t have to make or buy ice every time, I just put them in empty coolers pre hunt and keep them out of the sun, they stay frozen for days
Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 02, 2020, 06:46:02 PM
Post by: Okanagan on September 02, 2020, 06:52:55 PM
Sticks laid on the bottom also work to keep a pack out of splash and drip water in the bottom of a canoe.
Post by: Bushcraft on September 02, 2020, 07:52:08 PM
Depending on the situation, I have laid clean wood sticks in the bottom of coolers or refrigerators to keep meat an inch or two off of the bottom and out of any water or blood that pools in the bottom. If you have a drain, you can drain it once in awhile before melt water rises to touch the meat. Frozen jugs and plastic bottles of water are preferred but I always seem to wind up with free water in the bottom, some of it leaking out of the meat.
Sticks laid on the bottom also work to keep a pack out of splash and drip water in the bottom of a canoe.
^^^This. The runners on the bottom of the freezer is excellent advice. Been doing it for a couple decades now and it works like a charm.
Post by: spin05 on September 03, 2020, 01:06:51 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on September 03, 2020, 06:11:26 AM
Post by: elkrack on September 03, 2020, 06:20:25 AM
Post by: fowl smacker on September 03, 2020, 06:24:45 AM
You can get just about any idea fact stamped here on the interwebs! I wish I had saved the video but water can actually promote bacteria growth. Which will lead to spoilage. Get the meat deboned and in game bags ASAP. Happy hunting :tup:You beat me to it. GET THE MEAT OFF THE BONE IF IT'S HOT OUT!
Post by: Henrydog on September 03, 2020, 08:09:42 AM
Post by: predatorG on September 03, 2020, 10:10:35 AM
You can get just about any idea fact stamped here on the interwebs! I wish I had saved the video but water can actually promote bacteria growth. Which will lead to spoilage. Get the meat deboned and in game bags ASAP. Happy hunting :tup:
One thing i feel like i've heard a lot on higher elevation backcountry hunts is putting the meat in garbage bags so its relatively sealed and submerging them in an alpine creek when you're in a pinch. If the meat isn't in contact with the water would this still result in bacteria growth? Doesn't seem like it would but I've never been in a position to have to try it.
Post by: elkrack on September 03, 2020, 10:13:33 AM
Post by: Bushcraft on September 03, 2020, 11:01:11 AM
You can get just about any idea fact stamped here on the interwebs! I wish I had saved the video but water can actually promote bacteria growth. Which will lead to spoilage. Get the meat deboned and in game bags ASAP. Happy hunting :tup:
One thing i feel like i've heard a lot on higher elevation backcountry hunts is putting the meat in garbage bags so its relatively sealed and submerging them in an alpine creek when you're in a pinch. If the meat isn't in contact with the water would this still result in bacteria growth? Doesn't seem like it would but I've never been in a position to have to try it.
For the "plastic is bad" folks...
Take a moment to reflect on why supermarkets wrap display meat in plastic.
Question 1: Do you wrap raw and/or cooked meat (or any food for that matter) in plastic or some other sealed container before you put it in the refrigerator?
Question 2: If the answer is "Yes." to question #1, why wouldn't you do the same for meat in the backcountry for the exact same reasons?
Exposure to the environment and temps over 40 degrees lead to rapid bacteria growth. The ground, grasses and shrubs are loaded with microbiological life. The air has stuff floating around in it. Don't believe me? Go take a college level microbiology class. ;)
Try this if you can: 1) Keep the meat very clean while deboning with minimal cuts. Cuts just introduce more surface are for bacteria growth. Keep the big muscle groups intact whenever possible. 2) Put the boned-out meat in CLEAN game bags. 3) Then, wrap it in tough plastic bags with the air removed, and then dunk them in an ice-cold stream. If the nighttime temps are freezing or colder than the stream temps, hang it up in a breeze if possible. Then, once as cold as possible...line your pack with a closed cell foam pad (if you have one) and haul ass for the coolers at the rig. I've never had anything spoil when I've used this method.
The only time I've seen spoilage is when some "guides" stripped a buddy's mountain caribou down, laid the meat on the tundra brush to cool, left the bones in, and hung it near camp to "crust up" for a couple days. Even though it's generally not the best tasting meat in the world, it pissed me off that almost half the meat was spoiled before we got it in the freezer we brought with us. I hate wasting any meat. (I even grind up the silver skin and trimmings to make dog food.) I warned him that it was a criminally stupid and incompetent thing for them to do, but he went along with what they said to do to keep camp morale up since we were already 12 days into a complete farce of a 14-day stone sheep hunt and tempers were already on edge.
Post by: elkrack on September 03, 2020, 11:15:22 AM
Post by: highmuley on September 03, 2020, 02:58:40 PM
Post by: B4noon on September 03, 2020, 03:21:57 PM
Post by: Dansk on September 03, 2020, 03:32:49 PM
Gutless method to clean in the field where they lay
Spread skinned/boned out meat on a small piece of painters drop cloth to cool
After an hour or so, into 14x40 4mil fishbags (ULine) - squeeze all the air out - as much as possible & ziptie.
Pack out - only a few hours, so would likely switch to game bag if longer and switch to plastic at truck
Load bags into 100Qt $50 igloo cooler with frozen milk jugs and 11x14 Cooler Shock soft packs (3) on the ice. (Cooler is in the truck)
Sometimes i trim and clean up the meat back in camp or motel and rebag if I've got time.
If it's really hot, i may need to add a bag or two of ice later.
It will keep like this for many days until i get home to trim, cut, grind, bag, and freeze. I have been using this on 20-30# Kings, Lings, and Hali on NWVI for decades (we camp away from civilization), and I figured if it works for fish, it should be fine for big game.
Post by: huntnfmly on September 03, 2020, 05:06:01 PM
Post by: Tribal Elder on September 07, 2020, 06:17:32 PM
I freeze water in old plastic milk jugs ( of the like). Keeps the cooler cold and the water does not flood when the ice melts. It keeps the cooler cool, but not ice cold. Set the game bag(s) on top. If fact I did this last night with a Turkey
I do the same, easy to handle and you can drink the water as it melts.