Post by: Taco280AI on September 30, 2020, 10:38:55 AM
3067 vs 3097 fps
Both sub half inch @ 100 and will shoot at 300 next for groups.
Now this is what I'll use for Idaho deer and elk. Temps could range from 20 degrees in the morning up to 70 degrees mid day. Which would you choose to take with the info given? Temp sensitivity might be an issue, might not. I've read RL is more temp sensitive, but have seen a test that showed it barely changed at all from 8 degrees to 80. Different cartridge and bullet however.
What say you?
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Post by: Jason on September 30, 2020, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on September 30, 2020, 01:13:27 PM
Post by: hogslayer on September 30, 2020, 01:27:32 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 30, 2020, 01:39:18 PM
RL23 and 16 is the only “stable” RL powders. I use 23 and really like it. But it’s almost same exact burn rate as 4831SC. Both are a great option. Tweak your seating depth to bring it together a little more.
I’ve not had issues in the extreme cold of Montana with 4831SC. :twocents:
Post by: huntandjeep on September 30, 2020, 01:58:57 PM
Post by: jasnt on September 30, 2020, 04:15:18 PM
Post by: b23 on September 30, 2020, 05:16:26 PM
Post by: hunterofelk on October 01, 2020, 07:07:13 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on October 01, 2020, 07:23:28 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on October 01, 2020, 07:29:11 PM
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With a seating depth of 3.31" and 3.33" (3.30 wasn't as good), I grouped about 1.16" and 1.18" from a bipod with a rear bag. The two shots touching were .22" and .25". For reference those are 2" dots. Ground was hard pack dirt and very uneven, with a fine layer of practically dust. Did have some flyers with other groups, but think it was a combo of me and the ground, with a lack of consistent bipod footing. On the right target the first shot was in the orange. Don't know if I need to work on seating depth more, or find a better shooting surface, or just get better behind the trigger - or all three. Or bedding.
Of the three I chrono'd they ran 3097, 3092, 3092.
Post by: hogslayer on October 05, 2020, 10:03:59 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 05, 2020, 10:22:24 PM
Same group equally spaced I would be happy but You might be just one change from a real tack driver. Kind of stuff that makes us wear out barrels looking for the answer. Hehe.
Post by: Taco280AI on October 06, 2020, 07:52:51 AM
I froze some RL23 last weekend and tested it against 70 degrees. There was zero FPS change.
That's good to know :tup:
Picked up three more pounds, same lot, in Naches a few days ago.
Post by: Taco280AI on October 07, 2020, 10:32:11 AM
Little breezy out and didn't feel great about the shots so didn't want to look at the target until I was right in front of it (as opposed to being disappointed while walking up to it still). Got there and was like, that's not too bad... was expecting worse. Top to bottom is a little over 1.4" @ 200 yards and if you get rid of that bottom shot everything else is sub 1". Time to fine tune, set zero, shoot a few groups farther out, and have it ready to hunt.
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Post by: Taco280AI on October 07, 2020, 08:08:44 PM
I first shot at 200 yards, 1" left and about .4" high. Grouped .95"
Moved to 250 yards, went 2 - 1/4 MOA clicks right and it ended up 2.5" right. Acting like they're 1/2 MOA adjustments.
I also went 1 MOA up, which should get me a little high on target, but I did fail to factor in that it was already a little high. Still, it ended up 2.25" above the target when drop should be 2.3" (confirmed on another target when set back to zero). So that 2.25" and 2.3" of drop is 4.55" when I only moved it 1 MOA. It should only have moved 2.5", not 4.5"... almost acting like each click is .5 MOA.
The target not shown, also at 250, I went back 2 clicks left and 4 down, same setting as the 200 yard target, roughly 1.25" left and 1.75" low (when factoring in the .4 high at 200 it comes out to about where it should be for drop).
Back at it tomorrow...
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Post by: jasnt on October 08, 2020, 05:54:58 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 08, 2020, 06:10:35 AM
Post by: hunterofelk on October 08, 2020, 06:12:05 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 08, 2020, 06:41:45 AM
So 2 clicks at 250 should be 1/2” x 2.5 = 1.25”
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 08, 2020, 07:16:22 AM
Post by: gutsnthegrass on October 08, 2020, 07:27:40 AM
Its approximately 1” at 100 for 4 clicks (1/4” per click) or 2” at 200, or 5” at 500 for those 4 clicks.
So 2 clicks at 250 should be 1/2” x 2.5 = 1.25”
:yeah:
Post by: jasnt on October 08, 2020, 07:28:18 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 08, 2020, 07:31:36 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on October 08, 2020, 12:06:50 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on October 09, 2020, 11:01:39 AM
First fouling shot, low. Second with 17 clicks, 3rd and 4th with 18. 5th shot I held on the left side of the target for wind. Had I held the same aim as before it would be where the red dot is. I'll play with numbers to get the trajectory to match up with actual results.
If I move shot #2 up one inch for 18 clicks instead of 17, and (correctly this time) moved the red dot where it should be - a little farther right, then that would be right at 2.0 inches, 4 shots @ 400 yards. Half MOA hunting load with a Barnes LRX :tup:
Leaving it dirty and hunting Idaho deer tomorrow :)
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 09, 2020, 11:09:29 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on October 09, 2020, 05:15:36 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on October 09, 2020, 08:39:05 PM
.25 MOA is the best you can do? Good luck hitting anything :chuckle:
What rifle? That in a field scenario or off a bench at the range? Damn good group :tup:
Post by: 7mmfan on October 09, 2020, 09:30:37 PM
.25 MOA is the best you can do? Good luck hitting anything :chuckle:
What rifle? That in a field scenario or off a bench at the range? Damn good group :tup:
This was off a bipod with my bino harness as my rear rest, laying in a gravel road. Honestly, the 300 yard group was maybe slightly worse than this, so I have to assume that there was at least a little luck involved in that group, probably more than a little. :dunno:
Rifle is my 20 year old Ruger M77 MKII, but it has always been a tack driver.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 09, 2020, 09:54:19 PM
That darn wind.
Post by: Taco280AI on October 10, 2020, 10:11:52 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on October 28, 2020, 06:36:38 PM
Since I cleaned it after deer I had to go shoot it prior to elk. First through the chrono, second at the little pumpkin at 265. Elevation was perfect, held a little too far left for wind. All I knew is it was gone from where it was, so a hit.
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Backed up to 533 at another pumpkin, hand for size reference
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I'd say it's ready :tup:
Post by: jstone on October 28, 2020, 06:57:24 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on October 28, 2020, 09:06:32 PM