Post by: pianoman9701 on October 01, 2020, 12:42:16 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/wdfw-invites-public-input-grazing-department-lands
WDFW invites public input on grazing on department lands
Date
Sep 3, 2020
Contact
Paul Dahmer, 360-902-2480
Rachel Blomker, 360-701-3101
OLYMPIA -- The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) invites the public to submit written comments on how it proposes to manage livestock grazing on its lands.
The department uses grazing to achieve management goals consistent with its mission and strategic plan in ways that maintain the ecological integrity of the landscape. A new document will help guide the department as it works to put that priority into practice.
Department staff have developed the grazing guidance and management tools document that includes proposed grazing roles, management plan content, risk management, ecological integrity monitoring, wolf-livestock management, and a framework to evaluate potential new grazing.
Department staff will implement the grazing guidance through proposed rule-making, which clarifies when and under what conditions grazing is allowed on WDFW-managed lands.
WDFW is conducting an environmental review on the proposed changes in accordance with the State Environmental Policy Act (SEPA). Members of the public who would like to provide input on the substance of the grazing program guidance and management tools can do that through an online survey through Sept. 24, 2020 (https://wdfw.wa.gov/licenses/environmental/sepa/open-comments).
The public is also invited to provide feedback on the proposed regulations to implement the grazing guidance either through an online survey https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/DFWGRAZING20 or by emailing comments to rules.coordinator@dfw.wa.gov. WDFW must receive comments by 5 p.m. Sept. 24.
The Fish and Wildlife Commission will host a public hearing for the grazing rule update at their Oct. 22-24, 2020 meeting.
WDFW is the primary state agency tasked with preserving, protecting, and perpetuating fish, wildlife, and ecosystems, while providing sustainable fishing and hunting opportunities.
The department manages about a million acres of land, with 33 wildlife areas and nearly 500 water access areas around the state. These public lands help sustain wildlife habitat and public recreation opportunities for current and future generations.
Persons with disabilities who need to receive this information in an alternative format or who need reasonable accommodations to participate in WDFW-sponsored public meetings or other activities may contact Dolores Noyes by phone (360-902-2349), TTY (360-902-2207), or email (dolores.noyes@dfw.wa.gov). For more information, see https://wdfw.wa.gov/accessibility/requests-accommodation.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 01, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
Passing a rule which prohibits cattle grazing on public land where wolves are found is crazy, especially during a time when so many industries are struggling to survive. The cattle industry helps our state’s economy and ecology. Grazing reduces the risk and intensity of wildfires. Our beef industry is extremely important and employs tens of thousands of people statewide. Blocking off up to a million acres of land would cripple that industry and drive many out of business. They didn’t ask for the wolves, in fact, they strongly opposed their introduction for just this reason.
Wolves are thriving in WA. Unfortunately for those who heralded their arrival as a big accomplishment, the entire program has been beleaguered with problems, ranging from the wolves in close proximity to populated areas, to parasites which transfer to humans because the USFWS didn’t do their job when they transplanted them into the GYA. In addition, poor insight and planning by the WDFW and the USFWS neglected to see the impact that rapid wolf population growth would have on the NE corner of our state. If wolves belong here at all, they should be limited to remote, wilderness-type areas.
The original wolf plan paints a rosy picture of the balance of nature and low impact to humans. If you pass this rule, you’ll be deviating from the original plan to suit the wishes of those who oppose the cattle industry. You’ve already seen what these extremists have done on the WAG. Wake up to what’s happening and protect working families in WA. This is not the time in our economic history to wipe out entire industries. Please reconsider and trash this reckless and foolish proposal.
Pianoman
Post by: lastmk8 on October 01, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on October 01, 2020, 01:17:47 PM
Post by: timberfaller on October 01, 2020, 01:30:46 PM
Brush busters is what describes cattle on their ranges they get to inhabit. To bad highly educated individuals can't grasp that! But then "those" laughed at the WSCA back then when they said in Spokane, "Kick us off the open ranges and the next thing you will know and see, is the billows of smoke pouring into the sky!"
Me thinks they were right!! Total mis-management of our resources by government bureaucrats and their puppet masters!!
Post by: idahohuntr on October 01, 2020, 02:45:07 PM
WDFW seeks to maintain maximum flexibility to meet wolf recovery goals and to continue to permit viable grazing in areas potentially used by wolves.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 02, 2020, 09:47:54 AM
so am i reading this right that its pushing this on only WDFW lands?
That's where they're starting, yes. Once they get that through, it'll be DNR, then BLM. Like gun control, controls on cattle ranchers only go in one direction...to the left from people sworn to end beef production in the US.
Post by: Utah on October 23, 2020, 11:52:03 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 24, 2020, 04:38:52 AM
I think folks should actually read what WDFW wrote. The OP's title and associated comment letter are extremely misleading. The WDFW describes when and where grazing is used for the benefit of wildlife and habitat on lands they manage and I see nothing that suggests grazing will not continue to be a tool they use.That's what I saw too. I'm trying to figure out how this is a wolf issue? How much grazing does wdfw permit?
WDFW seeks to maintain maximum flexibility to meet wolf recovery goals and to continue to permit viable grazing in areas potentially used by wolves.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 24, 2020, 06:42:01 AM
Post by: buckfvr on October 24, 2020, 09:44:45 AM
The longer you are able to observe wdfw actions, the less likely you may be to believe/trust.
I started paying attention in the 70's and find myself highly unlikely to believe/trust. The good old days are LONG gone and never to return. Politics and a politically charged wdfw have ruined this state and put it on a collision course with wildlife protection as the numbers continue to decline. If this continues, it'll be over before you can even imagine it.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 24, 2020, 11:27:49 AM
Some people are still able to accept the word of wdfw both spoken and in writing. Others acceptance ranges from skepticism to complete lack of trust. What they say and write usually differs from what they otherwise do and mean.
The longer you are able to observe wdfw actions, the less likely you may be to believe/trust.
I started paying attention in the 70's and find myself highly unlikely to believe/trust. The good old days are LONG gone and never to return. Politics and a politically charged wdfw have ruined this state and put it on a collision course with wildlife protection as the numbers continue to decline. If this continues, it'll be over before you can even imagine it.
:yeah:
Post by: bigtex on November 05, 2020, 09:05:43 AM
Sorry but "they" (WDFW) can only control grazing on WDFW lands.so am i reading this right that its pushing this on only WDFW lands?That's where they're starting, yes. Once they get that through, it'll be DNR, then BLM. Like gun control, controls on cattle ranchers only go in one direction...to the left from people sworn to end beef production in the US.
WDFW has 1,000,000 acres under it's control as "Wildlife Areas", only 110,000 acres are actively grazed.
Post by: Caseyd on November 05, 2020, 09:10:01 AM
Sorry but "they" (WDFW) can only control grazing on WDFW lands.so am i reading this right that its pushing this on only WDFW lands?That's where they're starting, yes. Once they get that through, it'll be DNR, then BLM. Like gun control, controls on cattle ranchers only go in one direction...to the left from people sworn to end beef production in the US.
WDFW has 1,000,000 acres under it's control as "Wildlife Areas", only 110,000 acres are actively grazed.
What gets cut because the loss of revenue from contracts?
Post by: bigtex on November 05, 2020, 09:18:28 AM
From the 50 grazers? It's not a money maker for WDFW. Typically, WDFW actually loses money administering the grazing program, but the upside is the fuel reduction in terms of potential wildfires.What gets cut because the loss of revenue from contracts?Sorry but "they" (WDFW) can only control grazing on WDFW lands.so am i reading this right that its pushing this on only WDFW lands?That's where they're starting, yes. Once they get that through, it'll be DNR, then BLM. Like gun control, controls on cattle ranchers only go in one direction...to the left from people sworn to end beef production in the US.
WDFW has 1,000,000 acres under it's control as "Wildlife Areas", only 110,000 acres are actively grazed.
Post by: KFhunter on November 21, 2020, 11:53:40 AM
I know a lot of hunters are really perturbed at finding cows after nov 1 messing up their bait piles and mineral dumps, and will glady go along with destroying a way of life for ranchers using these permits.
I used to work cows on many of these allotments for several ranchers, cows don't always come off range when you want them too, they split off in small groups and can be difficult to round up in a timely fasion.
Typically you pull salt first (but everyone is dumping salt all over the place)
Then you bait the cows to holding areas
(But everyone is dumping hay, apples and bait, and hay all over)
Then you get guys to help round em up
(But wolves, bait and mineral sites, hay piles have cows broken ip in many small groups)
Failing that, its weather that pushes them down (so much for nov 1 deadline)
I'll not participate in this scheme to destroy a way of life, ya'll do as you like, but at least be aware of your actions when you do it.
The goal is to end grazing on public lands.
They want your help to do it.
Post by: boneaddict on November 21, 2020, 12:07:35 PM
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on November 21, 2020, 12:14:14 PM
I’ve always contacted the rancher personally to let them know I have found some of their critters and have helped them retrieve them. I don’t call the government for anything.
:yeah: Anyone that thinks these government agencies are just doing it to help are crazy. Get ahold of the rancher or don’t say anything. I hope no one dials that number.
Post by: KFhunter on November 21, 2020, 12:19:02 PM
usually followed by a joke of tagging out on a beef
Ya, it'll get dialed....
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Post by: bearpaw on November 21, 2020, 12:24:03 PM
You are killing me Smalls :chuckle:
Post by: buckfvr on November 21, 2020, 12:37:08 PM
Post by: zwickeyman on November 21, 2020, 12:56:34 PM
Post by: STARVATION on December 03, 2020, 08:22:03 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 03, 2020, 08:55:36 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 03, 2020, 09:18:31 PM
Post by: Brad Harshman on December 03, 2020, 09:55:43 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 04, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
So what happens with the fire danger with no grazing? Is anybody even thinking about that?All that tall brown dry grass growing up through the dry unbrowsed brush thats growning up into untrimmed trees growning in unlogged areas full of dead fall...
Oughta get sporty.
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Post by: birddogdad on December 04, 2020, 08:48:36 AM
Does anyone trust WDFW anymore?
You are killing me Smalls :chuckle:
Wasn't it Reagan who said the 9 most dangerous words ever spoken were "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"?
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on December 04, 2020, 09:08:45 AM
I think folks should actually read what WDFW wrote. The OP's title and associated comment letter are extremely misleading. The WDFW describes when and where grazing is used for the benefit of wildlife and habitat on lands they manage and I see nothing that suggests grazing will not continue to be a tool they use.That's what I saw too. I'm trying to figure out how this is a wolf issue? How much grazing does wdfw permit?
WDFW seeks to maintain maximum flexibility to meet wolf recovery goals and to continue to permit viable grazing in areas potentially used by wolves.
You gotta dig a little and read every link. Its how everything always works. But your answer is here. "WDFW is conducting an environmental review on the proposed changes in accordance with the State Environmental Policy Act (SEPA)"
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2020-09/attachment_draft_wdfw_grazing_guidance_and_grazing_management_tools_0.pdf