Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 04, 2020, 11:15:20 AM
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Post by: Mfowl on October 04, 2020, 11:25:12 AM
Post by: The100Road on October 04, 2020, 11:41:38 AM
Could your powder have been wet?
Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 04, 2020, 11:45:48 AM
How far did you throw your rifle?Something held me back from throwing the rifle... not sure how i resisted.. I’m 99% sure my powder was try.. had a glove finger over the barrel going in this morning. The primer was in my pocket when i packed my buck out last week.. possibility it got sweaty.. a
Could your powder have been wet?
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Post by: WapitiTalk1 on October 04, 2020, 11:54:14 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on October 04, 2020, 12:04:09 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 04, 2020, 12:11:03 PM
What brand was the primer? And which powder were shooting?Winchester triple 7 209’s. Hodgdon triple 7 pellets.. there was no pop. Must’ve been primer
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Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 04, 2020, 12:11:39 PM
What brand was the primer? And which powder were shooting?Winchester triple 7 209’s. Hodgdon triple 7 pellets.. there was no pop. Must’ve been primer
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Post by: Taco280AI on October 04, 2020, 12:25:40 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 04, 2020, 01:11:32 PM
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Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 04, 2020, 01:36:05 PM
first off, you're using a cooler primer to set off a pellet that is harder to ignite. I know the crud ring sucks, and that the T7 primers help tame it a little, but as you found out, the trade off is not worth it.What would you recommend?
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Post by: Sabotloader on October 04, 2020, 02:10:50 PM
first off, you're using a cooler primer to set off a pellet that is harder to ignite. I know the crud ring sucks, and that the T7 primers help tame it a little, but as you found out, the trade off is not worth it.What would you recommend?
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I know you didn't ask me but.... Personally I would use a Winchester W209. Then next year maybe look at switching to loose T7 or even BH-209.
What brand of rifle are you using?
Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 04, 2020, 02:28:55 PM
Thompson center pro hunter FXfirst off, you're using a cooler primer to set off a pellet that is harder to ignite. I know the crud ring sucks, and that the T7 primers help tame it a little, but as you found out, the trade off is not worth it.What would you recommend?
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I know you didn't ask me but.... Personally I would use a Winchester W209. Then next year maybe look at switching to loose T7 or even BH-209.
What brand of rifle are you using?
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Post by: The scout on October 04, 2020, 02:36:50 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 04, 2020, 02:46:37 PM
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Post by: Sabotloader on October 04, 2020, 03:14:31 PM
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Post by: LDennis24 on October 05, 2020, 06:56:20 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 05, 2020, 08:04:08 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on October 05, 2020, 08:23:21 AM
I shoot a strikefire and you have to very firmly press musket cap on nipple - pointing in safe direction - or cap won’t go off. If you shim nipple perfectly you can squeeze it on when closing breech. With pellts I put a pinch of FFF in before the pellets to guarantee no hangfires or missfires.
Sounds like a weird boat anchor... :chuckle:
Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 05, 2020, 09:15:42 AM
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Post by: duckmen1 on October 05, 2020, 09:25:01 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 05, 2020, 10:38:22 AM
Sounds like a weird boat anchor... :chuckle:
:yeah: Yep, great , light, accurate rifle when everything is perfect........
Post by: Oh Mah on October 05, 2020, 11:10:29 AM
I used pellet's 1 year drew down on a nice 4x5 muley nothing,new primer nothing.took charge out tried burning on a fire pit would not burn.
triple 7 powder from before and forever after.
Post by: Russ McDonald on October 05, 2020, 02:24:02 PM
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Post by: Oh Mah on October 05, 2020, 02:28:58 PM
i just don't can't wont trust my hunt to pellet's ever again. :twocents:
Post by: GASoline71 on October 06, 2020, 04:59:59 PM
Gary
Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 06, 2020, 05:02:20 PM
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Post by: usmc74 on October 09, 2020, 05:11:05 PM
Hunting elk in the evening, My Remington 700ML in 54 caliber.
Had a bull come out of the timber. Aimed at him and fired, just the cap popped. Lowered to my hip to recap, and the rifle fires (hang fire).
The bull goes back into the timber.
Do a full reload and start moving downhill towards where he was.
The bull comes back out of the timber and I fire again. The bull flips completely over.
While reloading the bull stands up and walks back into the timber.
Walk towards the location, and I find blood where he was first seen. I hit with my hangfire!
Then It started to rain hard. And then it got dark.
My son and I searched and never located him. Even over the next 2 days. No blood after the rain and no sign.
It really sucks sometimes.
Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 09, 2020, 08:24:25 PM
My nightmare (20 years ago)That is a nightmare story.. worse than mine. Thanks for sharing
Hunting elk in the evening, My Remington 700ML in 54 caliber.
Had a bull come out of the timber. Aimed at him and fired, just the cap popped. Lowered to my hip to recap, and the rifle fires (hang fire).
The bull goes back into the timber.
Do a full reload and start moving downhill towards where he was.
The bull comes back out of the timber and I fire again. The bull flips completely over.
While reloading the bull stands up and walks back into the timber.
Walk towards the location, and I find blood where he was first seen. I hit with my hangfire!
Then It started to rain hard. And then it got dark.
My son and I searched and never located him. Even over the next 2 days. No blood after the rain and no sign.
It really sucks sometimes.
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Post by: bkaech on October 10, 2020, 06:06:28 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on October 10, 2020, 12:20:15 PM
I've had pellets in for 5 days before firing and it went off just fine :dunno:
This guys getting paid by Pyrodex to say this I'm certain! :chuckle:
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on October 10, 2020, 12:26:11 PM
I've had pellets in for 5 days before firing and it went off just fine :dunno:
This guys getting paid by Pyrodex to say this I'm certain! :chuckle:
I’ve had nothing but bad luck with the pyrodex pellets. Inconsistent groups, and delayed firings. Switched to loose triple 7 this year and the gun patterns amazing and goes off when it’s supposed to. The pellets are handy, but you won’t catch me shooting them again.
Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 10, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
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Post by: Buck Rub Jr on October 10, 2020, 03:38:26 PM
Was just a cow tag though, buddy was able to tag out the next day for his first ever harvest. I still haven’t forgiven that muzzleloader though, she’s in the dog house forever. (Even thought it was my fault for not checking the powder after a misty morning.) passed on an opportunity at a single cow with a calf that trip as well. Just wasn’t meant to be. Sounds like you had a fun hunt, doubt you’ll ever forget it!
Post by: Taco280AI on October 11, 2020, 02:03:40 PM
I've had pellets in for 5 days before firing and it went off just fine :dunno:
This guys getting paid by Pyrodex to say this I'm certain! :chuckle:
I wish!
Post by: CP on October 11, 2020, 04:40:21 PM
I've had pellets in for 5 days before firing and it went off just fine :dunno:
This guys getting paid by Pyrodex to say this I'm certain! :chuckle:
I wish!
I’ve loaded my muzzy with loose 777 before early deer season in Sept and fired it after late season in Dec. more often than I care to admit. Never had a problem (except for the obvious).
Post by: muledhunter on October 11, 2020, 07:31:05 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on October 12, 2020, 08:17:16 AM
I've had pellets in for 5 days before firing and it went off just fine :dunno:
This guys getting paid by Pyrodex to say this I'm certain! :chuckle:
I wish!
I’ve loaded my muzzy with loose 777 before early deer season in Sept and fired it after late season in Dec. more often than I care to admit. Never had a problem (except for the obvious).
One of my Thompson's is still loaded from last year and I bet it will go off just fine. Rode behind the seat until about June even! I forgot about it. I've had one loaded in the gun safe before for over a year and took it out and shot it and it shot just fine. When I shoot this other one I'll let everyone know how it goes.
Post by: MountainDevil54 on October 12, 2020, 09:12:05 AM
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Post by: dilleytech on October 12, 2020, 10:03:07 AM
Post by: usmc74 on October 13, 2020, 09:42:35 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 13, 2020, 12:32:31 PM
I have zero issues now.
Post by: usmc74 on October 14, 2020, 03:18:12 PM
He was using Pyrodex pellets
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 14, 2020, 03:28:02 PM
When My son tried to fire his Bighorn after season, it did not fire. Multiple musket caps tried.
He was using Pyrodex pellets
I had problems with pellets. I strongly recommend loose powder
Post by: MeatMissile on October 23, 2020, 11:26:41 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 25, 2020, 03:01:25 PM
I’m sorry to hear about this considering I sold you that rifle. I have another one identical to it. I’ve been using Federal 209A primers and BH209 powder. No misfires of any kind and it shoots real clean.I’m assuming the primer i used had gotten wet. The rifles been great! Absolutely nothing wrong with this gun. I still appreciate the sale and I’ll use this gun for years to come with confidence!
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Post by: steeleywhopper on October 25, 2020, 03:13:28 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on October 25, 2020, 03:47:37 PM
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Post by: LDennis24 on October 26, 2020, 08:20:33 AM
I’m sorry to hear about this considering I sold you that rifle. I have another one identical to it. I’ve been using Federal 209A primers and BH209 powder. No misfires of any kind and it shoots real clean.
This would be the proper combination of the 209 system in my opinion. It was designed for it. Try this and see what your results are. A lot of folks never even shoot their muzzleloader in the off season so next spring go find a spot to shoot and see what combo works best and is most consistent. I've even found I can reload quicker if I just leave bullets loose in my pocket, only put powder in speed loads and wear a lanyard capper. You would think I was firing a bolt action some days! Lol
Post by: gadwall on November 19, 2020, 04:13:30 PM
I've had enough bad experiences with muzzy misfires that I packed my bow yesterday. I know that goes off.
Agreed! LMAO
Back to the topic. My buddies and I have tried everything out there over the years. We all shoot loose T 7 and top grade musket caps and have no problems for a few years now. :twocents:
Post by: Dirty Mike on November 25, 2020, 09:32:57 PM
Post by: The Big Game Hunter on November 28, 2020, 10:18:24 AM
I plan on doing many things different next year. Thanks to all these replies. I know i have a lot to learnA lot of people have given you good advice on how to avoid a similar issue next year.
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Here's a comprehensive resource full of best practices I developed over years of hunting with a muzzleloader in Washington. I had to learn a few lessons the hard way, but sometimes those lessons are the ones best remembered.
If you download that E-Book at the link below and follow the advice it contains, I can virtually guarantee that you'll have much better results on your next hunt.
https://muzzleloaders101.com/optin1605117193217
Post by: MountainDevil54 on November 28, 2020, 11:55:52 AM
Keep the bore dry
Keep the ignition source dry
Use real black powder
If you are using musket caps or #11 caps and then using pellets which is much harder to ignite and absorb moisture quickly, you are asking for trouble. I tested pellets years ago with 209 primers and all brands of pellets even with a hot W209 primer, went up like a roman candle, rather than going bang.
If you want 100% reliable ignition, stop being cheap, hard headed, or what ever you are, and order some real black powder. Use your pellet crap for target fun.
Post by: MIKEXRAY on November 28, 2020, 12:22:54 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on November 28, 2020, 12:43:42 PM
3 things to making sure your muzzleloader fires.Cheap isn’t the right word.. i drop a dumb amount of $ on this hobby. Stupid is a better word
Keep the bore dry
Keep the ignition source dry
Use real black powder
If you are using musket caps or #11 caps and then using pellets which is much harder to ignite and absorb moisture quickly, you are asking for trouble. I tested pellets years ago with 209 primers and all brands of pellets even with a hot W209 primer, went up like a roman candle, rather than going bang.
If you want 100% reliable ignition, stop being cheap, hard headed, or what ever you are, and order some real black powder. Use your pellet crap for target fun.
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Post by: 10thmountainarcher on November 28, 2020, 01:12:23 PM