Post by: gee_unit360 on October 09, 2020, 05:49:57 PM
Post by: 92xj on October 09, 2020, 05:53:20 PM
Post by: MADMAX on October 09, 2020, 05:59:40 PM
Post by: CP on October 09, 2020, 06:15:53 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,27714.msg320396.html#msg320396
looks like my post it too old for the target pic to display, but trust me, it was good.
At the range, off a solid rest, sure why not. In the field, at an animal, no. Not for me anyway.
Post by: Dark2Dark on October 09, 2020, 10:02:37 PM
What you can see with open sights will be a limiting factor at that range.
Post by: highside74 on October 09, 2020, 10:28:43 PM
Post by: muleyslayer on October 09, 2020, 11:16:19 PM
Post by: Smokepole on October 10, 2020, 06:53:43 AM
Peep sights are a must at long range. My longest shot on a buck was 212 yards. I aimed for the top of his spine, and compensated 12" to the right for a gusty crosswind. Shot dropped right into the lungs. I shoot 250 grain XTP's with 100 grains of Pyrodex pellets. Most of my shots have been less than 100 yards.
Post by: adamR on October 10, 2020, 09:02:35 AM
My spike elk from two years ago was broadside at 202 yards with the sun lighting him up perfectly. With no wind, a great rest, lying prone, the 300 grain shockwave dropped him where he stood.
Post by: Dark2Dark on October 10, 2020, 09:13:44 AM
It depends on conditions. If the animal is well lit and standing broadside, it helps. If you have a good solid rest it helps. If you compensate for crosswinds and the shot angle, even better. You need to know your trajectory. Sometimes a deer looks huge at that distance, and sometimes not.How hard was the wind blowing that you figured for 12” of wind drift on a 250 gr bullet at 200 yards?!
Peep sights are a must at long range. My longest shot on a buck was 212 yards. I aimed for the top of his spine, and compensated 12" to the right for a gusty crosswind. Shot dropped right into the lungs. I shoot 250 grain XTP's with 100 grains of Pyrodex pellets. Most of my shots have been less than 100 yards.
Post by: CP on October 10, 2020, 09:29:59 AM
Post by: Smokepole on October 10, 2020, 09:34:32 AM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,231984.0.html
Post by: Dark2Dark on October 10, 2020, 09:47:05 AM
It doesn't take much wind to drift a muzzy shot 12" at 200y.That’s wild. I haven’t used that app. What does “target speed” mean?
Post by: CP on October 10, 2020, 09:54:19 AM
It doesn't take much wind to drift a muzzy shot 12" at 200y.That’s wild. I haven’t used that app. What does “target speed” mean?
I don't know, but it doesn't change the output. Useful tool:
https://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi
Post by: Dan-o on October 10, 2020, 11:31:05 AM
* Most aren't equipped with good sights for shooting that far. If a guy was serious about shooting 200 yards he'd probably get a peep with a very small/fine front dot.
* VERY FEW people that I have seen are proficient to even consider a 200 yard shot with a muzzleloader. Most guys can't keep an ethical pattern at 100 yards off a bench.
I have hunted muzzleloader for about 40 years. I used to shoot weekly and have many thousands of rounds down range.
I could hit tennis balls at 100 routinely at my best.
I would not have ever considered a 200 yard shot.
That's just me.
Not trying to preach, but wanted to add a perspective.
Post by: gee_unit360 on October 10, 2020, 12:44:33 PM
Post by: Hart on October 10, 2020, 01:51:08 PM
For 100ish yards is generally my max. If everything is absolutely perfect maybe 125
Post by: elkboy on October 10, 2020, 02:33:29 PM
I practice out to about 150 yards, which really helps on the ranges at which I normally take deer (20-80 yards).
Post by: Damnimissed on October 11, 2020, 05:24:12 PM
Post by: RobinHoodlum on October 11, 2020, 06:23:31 PM
Post by: crabcreekhunter on October 12, 2020, 08:11:14 AM
Post by: dilleytech on October 12, 2020, 09:19:22 AM
This year I installed a Williams globe. Shooting a 290gr Barnes TE-Z with 74gr (by weight) BH209 and a Fed 209A primer from my CVA optima, I am consistently printing 1” groups at 100. POI is 1” high at 100 and 8” low at 200. I am totally comfortable at taking a 200 yd shot with a good rest, something I could never say before switching to the globe. I haven’t considered shooting any further because I’m not sure the Barnes will opens up reliably.
This is the route I want to go when I can find them in stock. I lined up on a bull that was 210 but it didn’t feel right with my fiber optics. But Luckily it stepped away and later was given a much closer shot.
Post by: dvolmer on October 12, 2020, 03:58:40 PM
IMO, most modern muzzleloadera are capable of the shot, but:
* Most aren't equipped with good sights for shooting that far. If a guy was serious about shooting 200 yards he'd probably get a peep with a very small/fine front dot.
* VERY FEW people that I have seen are proficient to even consider a 200 yard shot with a muzzleloader. Most guys can't keep an ethical pattern at 100 yards off a bench.
I have hunted muzzleloader for about 40 years. I used to shoot weekly and have many thousands of rounds down range.
I could hit tennis balls at 100 routinely at my best.
I would not have ever considered a 200 yard shot.
That's just me.
Not trying to preach, but wanted to add a perspective.
That's wisdom right there fellas!!!
Post by: Sabotloader on October 12, 2020, 04:38:45 PM
Post by: TINESUP on October 12, 2020, 04:55:11 PM
Post by: Dirty Mike on October 15, 2020, 07:24:33 PM
Post by: Pete112288 on October 15, 2020, 10:26:02 PM
My longest hunting shots have been 155 and 135. Both on elk. The first was a 3X1 with bad hoof rot and a dwindling body. Smallest bodied elk I ever shot. I was sitting with a solid pair of shooting sticks at 155 yards, held on the hairline of his back with the bottom of the fiber optic front sight (so with my 6 o'clock hold method the aim point was well over his back. Got lungs and the top edge of the heart. The 135 yard shot was a big bodied 5x5 off hand. Same holdover, and center punched the heart. Both shots where complete pass throughs.
Again, deer size target, and conditions affecting it.... Everything would have to line up right for me to feel comfortable. Good thing most my deer shots are 30 yards or less on average, haha.
Post by: The Big Game Hunter on December 16, 2020, 07:14:11 AM
This year I installed a Williams globe. Shooting a 290gr Barnes TE-Z with 74gr (by weight) BH209 and a Fed 209A primer from my CVA optima, I am consistently printing 1” groups at 100. POI is 1” high at 100 and 8” low at 200. I am totally comfortable at taking a 200 yd shot with a good rest, something I could never say before switching to the globe. I haven’t considered shooting any further because I’m not sure the Barnes will opens up reliably.That front sight globe is definitely the way to go to maximize your effective range with iron sights.
Post by: jjhunter on December 16, 2020, 07:42:13 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 16, 2020, 07:54:38 AM
Post by: gutsnthegrass on December 16, 2020, 08:04:55 AM
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Every year theres elk running around with arrows sticking out of their rears from guys that thought they could shoot out to 100 yds. If you have confidence and ability its a different story. But then some don't feel guilty about a wounded animal either.
There are plenty of rifle guys that sling lead and wound game too. :rolleyes:
Post by: dilleytech on December 16, 2020, 08:26:39 AM
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Every year theres elk running around with arrows sticking out of their rears from guys that thought they could shoot out to 100 yds. If you have confidence and ability its a different story. But then some don't feel guilty about a wounded animal either.
Every year there’s elk running around with arrows sticking out of there rear end from guys who thought they could shoot 20 yards. And with rifle slugs in them from guys that thought they could shoot 100 yards. My muzzy elk this year had a rifle slug and broadhead in it. People miss.
Post by: muleyslayer on December 16, 2020, 09:16:20 AM
Post by: TooTallMike on December 16, 2020, 11:18:23 AM
I shot this buck at 269 with my 45 caliber peep sighted muzzy. The only reason I consider the shot was, because the buck was standing broadside on the skyline of a ridge so he was very easy to see clearly through the peep., I had a solid prone rest, there was no way I was going to get closer because he had spotted me already,and of course I practiced with the gun a lot that season. I know guys that muzzy hunt and never practice and wound or miss at 75. It all comes down to practice and knowing your limits.
Nice! It's really familiarity and practice with your equipment that makes the difference. You just offered the perfect example. Too many people are running around with the latest and greatest as if it will compensate for their lack of practice. Nice buck by the way.
Post by: JohnVH on December 16, 2020, 11:30:51 AM
Post by: muleyslayer on December 16, 2020, 11:59:31 AM
ThanksI shot this buck at 269 with my 45 caliber peep sighted muzzy. The only reason I consider the shot was, because the buck was standing broadside on the skyline of a ridge so he was very easy to see clearly through the peep., I had a solid prone rest, there was no way I was going to get closer because he had spotted me already,and of course I practiced with the gun a lot that season. I know guys that muzzy hunt and never practice and wound or miss at 75. It all comes down to practice and knowing your limits.
Nice! It's really familiarity and practice with your equipment that makes the difference. You just offered the perfect example. Too many people are running around with the latest and greatest as if it will compensate for their lack of practice. Nice buck by the way.
Post by: muleyslayer on December 16, 2020, 12:05:57 PM
wow, what rifle?45. Knight mountaineer
Precision conical “dead center” sabot
Black horn 209