Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 26, 2020, 09:06:23 AM
Post by: Buckmark on October 26, 2020, 09:15:22 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on October 26, 2020, 09:19:05 AM
Backstraps, head, skin the rear quarters down as far as you can and then saw off just above the mud. Should be able to get the fronts out. Keep the cleanest meat together and seperate the muddy meat in it's own bag.
It's quartering an elk by yourself, it's never pretty. :yike:
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 26, 2020, 09:20:46 AM
Assuming (yep) there are trees or another anchor point i would rig up a 3:1 system and use the paracord and the carabiners i carry in my pack, and work him up inch by inch alternating between front and rear legs
Can you go into some detail here? Not familiar at all but super interested in understanding this
Post by: stigalla on October 26, 2020, 09:23:48 AM
Assuming (yep) there are trees or another anchor point i would rig up a 3:1 system and use the paracord and the carabiners i carry in my pack, and work him up inch by inch alternating between front and rear legs
agreed if you ad a dog auger to your pack ($15) you could easily get it out even without a tree near by
Post by: Stein on October 26, 2020, 09:28:59 AM
The other option would be to pull one leg out of the water, cut it off hair on and then grab what trim you can get before letting it back in the water. If you kept the hide on, the remaining meat would be protected and at some point you could drag the remainder of the carcass out and get the backstrap, ribs, neck and tenderloins. You will have a heavy trim around where the quarters were cut off if it's skanky water.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 26, 2020, 09:33:48 AM
Worst case you hike out for more gear. I think with a few pieces of cordage a guy could get creative and get it out. All you need is an anchor point that can hold at least 100 pounds and then you start pulling this leg, that leg, antlers, neck and make progress an inch or two at a time.
The other option would be to pull one leg out of the water, cut it off hair on and then grab what trim you can get before letting it back in the water. If you kept the hide on, the remaining meat would be protected and at some point you could drag the remainder of the carcass out and get the backstrap, ribs, neck and tenderloins. You will have a heavy trim around where the quarters were cut off if it's skanky water.
It was indeed skanky water. That was 3 hours of fun smells. :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 26, 2020, 09:35:59 AM
Worst case you hike out for more gear. I think with a few pieces of cordage a guy could get creative and get it out. All you need is an anchor point that can hold at least 100 pounds and then you start pulling this leg, that leg, antlers, neck and make progress an inch or two at a time.Submerge the rest of the body and hike out to get the come-a-long or block and tackle out of the truck and hopefully, some help. The body will stay relatively cool in the water.
The other option would be to pull one leg out of the water, cut it off hair on and then grab what trim you can get before letting it back in the water. If you kept the hide on, the remaining meat would be protected and at some point you could drag the remainder of the carcass out and get the backstrap, ribs, neck and tenderloins. You will have a heavy trim around where the quarters were cut off if it's skanky water.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 26, 2020, 09:37:46 AM
Post by: Buckmark on October 26, 2020, 09:40:20 AM
Similar to using snatch blocks with a winch, no pulleys as in the pic but just run the line thru the carabiners (a little friction but will work) and you can move a load with less effort, still work and like i said alternate between legs moving the load a few inches at a time.Assuming (yep) there are trees or another anchor point i would rig up a 3:1 system and use the paracord and the carabiners i carry in my pack, and work him up inch by inch alternating between front and rear legs
Can you go into some detail here? Not familiar at all but super interested in understanding this
Or just hunt the low country and get the tractor like you did :chuckle:
Post by: LDennis24 on October 26, 2020, 10:02:33 AM
Assuming (yep) there are trees or another anchor point i would rig up a 3:1 system and use the paracord and the carabiners i carry in my pack, and work him up inch by inch alternating between front and rear legs
agreed if you ad a dog auger to your pack ($15) you could easily get it out even without a tree near by
:yeah:
This is an excellent solution to no tree. Or you dig a large hole shaped like a T and anchor a cross member in it to winch from.
Post by: Cougartail on October 26, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 26, 2020, 12:14:41 PM
Interesting idea Pman!
Maybe, but I wouldn't want to have to do it!
Post by: WSU on October 26, 2020, 12:51:54 PM
My wife killed a bull in a river once that we couldn't get out. We ended up quartering it in the water until we could wrestle it up the steep banks. It turned out fine.
Post by: vandeman17 on October 26, 2020, 12:59:00 PM
Call for help?
My wife killed a bull in a river once that we couldn't get out. We ended up quartering it in the water until we could wrestle it up the steep banks. It turned out fine.
Happens very often with moose and that is what you do. Quarter until its manageable enough to get up on shore.
Post by: 300rum on October 26, 2020, 01:12:00 PM
Post by: HikerHunter on October 26, 2020, 03:22:37 PM
Post by: Crunchy on October 26, 2020, 03:49:28 PM
Post by: stigalla on October 26, 2020, 04:50:55 PM
Since this is in the backcountry section, I'm assuming most won't be carrying a dog auger, but a tent stake or two per leg with some cordage might help you get it above the water line for butchering.
see thats the thing... if youre in the back country thats exactly what you should have on you..an 8oz piece of steel that literally has a hundred uses in the field and in this case would save the meat youve tried so hard to obtain
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 26, 2020, 06:25:13 PM
Well you are going to get wet either way. I would go gutless but leave the hide on, and hack the upside front shoulder and hind quarter. Flip it over and do the same. Then it would be light enough to pull out.
I don’t mind getting wet. I was a waterfowler and steelheader before I was a big game hunter. I just don’t want that tasty elk meat getting nasty
Post by: jackelope on October 26, 2020, 06:35:23 PM
Post by: KNOPHISH on October 26, 2020, 06:38:07 PM
Post by: dilleytech on October 28, 2020, 11:27:15 AM
Post by: Stein on October 28, 2020, 11:47:09 AM
I’ve never killed an elk so take this with a grain of salt, but is it really not possible to wrestle that thing out of there? I feel like, albeit a little at a time, I could eventually get it out of the swamp water. Call me crazy.
Not with one guy. Flipping an elk over on flat ground is a chore with one guy if you don't have something to tie off to. Getting it up out of the water onto a higher bank would be impossible if you are talking about grabbing a leg and pulling. It's like a 700 pound sandbag half filled with jello.
Post by: rtspring on October 28, 2020, 11:48:38 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 28, 2020, 11:55:02 AM
I’ve never killed an elk so take this with a grain of salt, but is it really not possible to wrestle that thing out of there? I feel like, albeit a little at a time, I could eventually get it out of the swamp water. Call me crazy.
Additional scenario condition: I'm not as strong as @jackelope :P
Thanks for the responses guys. I'm going to have to do some more reading on 3 point tie-ups and consider carrying a carabiner or two
Post by: jackelope on October 28, 2020, 11:56:38 AM
I’ve never killed an elk so take this with a grain of salt, but is it really not possible to wrestle that thing out of there? I feel like, albeit a little at a time, I could eventually get it out of the swamp water. Call me crazy.
Additional scenario condition: I'm not as strong as @jackelope :P
Thanks for the responses guys. I'm going to have to do some more reading on 3 point tie-ups and consider carrying a carabiner or two
Oh you probably are.
Post by: JKEEN33 on October 28, 2020, 12:01:21 PM
I’ve never killed an elk so take this with a grain of salt, but is it really not possible to wrestle that thing out of there? I feel like, albeit a little at a time, I could eventually get it out of the swamp water. Call me crazy.
Additional scenario condition: I'm not as strong as @jackelope :P
Thanks for the responses guys. I'm going to have to do some more reading on 3 point tie-ups and consider carrying a carabiner or two
Look up “Truckers Hitch”. It’s a crude version of a block and tackle with nothing more than your rope. Throw a couple of these in on opposite sides and you will be amazed at what you can move.
Post by: Moose Master on October 29, 2020, 04:34:40 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on November 13, 2020, 08:23:29 AM
Post by: ibuyre on November 13, 2020, 09:29:31 AM
Thanks for the responses guys. I'm going to have to do some more reading on 3 point tie-ups and consider carrying a carabiner or two
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Look up “Truckers Hitch”. It’s a crude version of a block and tackle with nothing more than your rope. Throw a couple of these in on opposite sides and you will be amazed at what you can move.
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That's what I was thinking, I always carry a bunch of 550 cord, it's my sling on my rifle (so I don't forget it), about 100' of it. Truckers hitch's to make a 3 or 5 to one. Make a few of them, start inching it up one leg, head, ect at a time. Once I feel I am in a good spot to get a 1/4 off (looking at the pic, wouldn't be long till one of the fronts came off and a hind not long after). I would leave hide on.
Inch it up, get a front off, inch it some more, get a hind off. Inch it a little more and drop the guts out, and pull backstraps and tenders. Maybe cut off the ribs on the top side. At this point you are down to a 1/2 a elk, and have 3 lines on it. Hull that up onto the dry and finish it.
My worry would be, that water, could get DANGEROUS. Try not to get under him, a line pop loose and elk roles onto you and you drowned. You hop into that muck to find, it's over chest deep and you get stuck/over your head. It could get bad quick. Temp, just above freezing and you get soaking wet in the back country and maybe stuck in the mud.... A lot of ways this could go south. Don't get in a rush, take your time, think it through and be careful. I would try and do all I could from the dry, but no way around getting in the water to get lines on it, and to make some of the cuts... You are going to get WET, plan accordingly.
Post by: msg on November 13, 2020, 11:12:50 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on November 13, 2020, 12:40:37 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on November 13, 2020, 12:49:56 PM
Drain the swamp!! :chuckle:
And this thread is dead... Problem solved!
Post by: Encore 280 on November 13, 2020, 01:11:15 PM
Post by: Encore 280 on November 13, 2020, 04:41:37 PM
Drain the swamp!! :chuckle:
And this thread is dead... Problem solved!
Some folks may have misunderstood my reply so I had to edit it. My son informed me of the "drain the swamp" term. :yike: :bdid: Sorry if I offended anyone. :chuckle:
Post by: OutHouse on December 04, 2020, 12:10:07 PM
Post by: X-Force on December 04, 2020, 12:12:37 PM
Assuming (yep) there are trees or another anchor point i would rig up a 3:1 system and use the paracord and the carabiners i carry in my pack, and work him up inch by inch alternating between front and rear legs
Exactly what I carry. I’ve had to use it twice.
Post by: KFhunter on December 04, 2020, 12:52:26 PM
I'd have that bull high and dry.
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Post by: Cylvertip on December 04, 2020, 01:06:06 PM
:sry:
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Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 04, 2020, 03:32:08 PM
Post by: MR5x5 on December 10, 2020, 09:14:02 AM
I’ve never killed an elk so take this with a grain of salt, but is it really not possible to wrestle that thing out of there? I feel like, albeit a little at a time, I could eventually get it out of the swamp water. Call me crazy.
Not with one guy. Flipping an elk over on flat ground is a chore with one guy if you don't have something to tie off to. Getting it up out of the water onto a higher bank would be impossible if you are talking about grabbing a leg and pulling. It's like a 700 pound sandbag half filled with jello.
Elk processing is a lot like golf. You typically need to play it where it lies.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 10, 2020, 09:25:43 AM
I’ve never killed an elk so take this with a grain of salt, but is it really not possible to wrestle that thing out of there? I feel like, albeit a little at a time, I could eventually get it out of the swamp water. Call me crazy.
Not with one guy. Flipping an elk over on flat ground is a chore with one guy if you don't have something to tie off to. Getting it up out of the water onto a higher bank would be impossible if you are talking about grabbing a leg and pulling. It's like a 700 pound sandbag half filled with jello.
Elk processing is a lot like golf. You typically need to play it where it lies.
I see what you did there, Shooter
Post by: Rob on December 10, 2020, 01:46:33 PM
The 6:1 only requires 1 extra prussic and 1 extra pulley (you can also use a biner as the photo shows - however you lose some efficiencies.) over the 3:1 z pulley. Remember that you need to pull 6 feet of rope to make 1 foot or progress in a 6:1 system.
Also, if you are buying climbing pulleys, spend the extra $ for ones with ball bearings. It is amazing how much the removal of that extra friction improves the efficiency of your system.
Some people have mentioned using paracord. Probably good enough for deer but if you are hauling out an 800Lb elk, I wonder if it is strong enough. Perhaps if you double it?
A 6:1 would require:
-rope (length depends on how far away your anchor is from the elk.)
-3 pulleys or Biners
-3 prussics (12 inch min loops of 5mm cordage)
-4-5 Biners
-Anchor material (some webbing or cordage to wrap around a tree)
This is an EXCELLENT ball bearing prussic minding pulley: https://www.moosejaw.com/product/petzl-partner-pulley_10093457
This is perhaps the coolest pulley I have seen - it has a progress capture built in - the pulley can be used with or without it. The progress capture eliminates the need for one of the prussics, and can also be used as an ascender with a little training! But they are very spendy! https://www.moosejaw.com/product/petzl-micro-traxion-pulley_10189962
Post by: Rob on December 10, 2020, 01:51:08 PM
Happy to meet up and walk anyone through building these. They are really fun systems! I am in the greater Everett/Monroe area.
Post by: Rob on December 10, 2020, 01:59:13 PM
Here is a "zpulley in a bag"
https://www.moosejaw.com/product/petzl-rad-system_10513583
total of 3 lbs, but includes 30M of 6mm Cordage. They use tiblocks instead of prussics which is a great idea (although I prefer a good prussic). I would add a pulley on that middle Biner though to reduce friction... plus one more biner/prussic and pulley for the conversion to 6:1.
Again - quite spendy but it includes one of those mirco-traction pulley and the 30M 6mm Cordage that is rated for rescue hauling and rappelling. It is nearly a static line with only 2% elongation.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 10, 2020, 02:04:56 PM
That said, it wouldn't hurt to learn. I can totally see the value of having this stuff in the truck.
Post by: Rob on December 10, 2020, 02:12:50 PM
So if you are already hauling in 50 to 100 feet of rope, then it is just an extra 1/2 to 3/4 of a pound.
If I was deer hunting I would not even consider it. If I was elk hunting? I probably would not bother either! But I might think about it.
If I was using horses to set up a backcountry camp, you can bet I'd have it!
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 10, 2020, 02:13:56 PM
Totally get it. if you are hunting with buddies, you can always share the load. The main weight part of the system is the rope. pulleys, biners and prussics probably only come in at 8 to 10 oz.
So if you are already hauling in 50 to 100 feet of rope, then it is just an extra 1/2 to 3/4 of a pound.
If I was deer hunting I would not even consider it. If I was elk hunting? I probably would not bother either! But I might think about it.
If I was using horses to set up a backcountry camp, you can bet I'd have it!
Well yeah, I mean shoot if I had horses chances are I'd have a wood stove and a Kirkland sized bottle of booze to come back to every night :chuckle:
Post by: Rob on December 10, 2020, 02:17:16 PM
I have used a Z-pulley to hang heavy meat bags or a deer carcass before (you need a re-direct though).
I picked up a couple of these to make a light block and tackle rig. They are fantastic!!
https://www.moosejaw.com/product/petzl-gemini-double-pulley_10093461
Post by: NRA4LIFE on December 10, 2020, 02:17:26 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 10, 2020, 02:21:58 PM
Chopper.
Boom - you nailed it.
Conversation over :chuckle:
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Anything is possible in pants and a hat like that.
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Post by: trophyhunt on December 22, 2020, 12:10:38 PM
Worst case you hike out for more gear. I think with a few pieces of cordage a guy could get creative and get it out. All you need is an anchor point that can hold at least 100 pounds and then you start pulling this leg, that leg, antlers, neck and make progress an inch or two at a time.:yeah:this is what came to my mind first, leave that hide on the quarters.
The other option would be to pull one leg out of the water, cut it off hair on and then grab what trim you can get before letting it back in the water. If you kept the hide on, the remaining meat would be protected and at some point you could drag the remainder of the carcass out and get the backstrap, ribs, neck and tenderloins. You will have a heavy trim around where the quarters were cut off if it's skanky water.